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Topic author: skipjackone
Subject: Please help Identify Double Gun
Posted on: 07/13/2013 10:43:47 AM
Message:

My buddy's Grandfather left him this double gun. Both barrels are rimfire. Right side has rifling, left is smoothbore. Markings on barrel: ).C5grN.G.P.M\71 and 19r.B1. Right side may be a .22 short, (bullet fits anyway). Left side is smaller than .410. Any idea what this is??




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Reply author: charliemeyer007
Replied on: 07/13/2013 10:52:40 AM
Message:

A pic of the breach end would help. WAG 9mm rimfire shot shell.


Reply author: skipjackone
Replied on: 07/13/2013 11:11:33 AM
Message:

I probably won't be able to get the breech pic.


Reply author: skipjackone
Replied on: 07/13/2013 11:33:18 AM
Message:

Found similar guns on the net by searching "German 9mm garden gun".
Anyone know who made this?


Reply author: thorhammer
Replied on: 07/13/2013 12:06:19 PM
Message:

NGPm/71 Neues Gewerhr-pulver Model 71 (new rifle powder model 71) or

Nitrozellulose Gewehr Pulver (Nitrocellulose rifle powder.

Offical black powder used by the German Army.

German Double Gun? probably a guild gun, hand crafted.

The other smooth bore barrel may be 9mm rimfire shotshell. The bore

diameter would be .309, the chamber .314 and the rim .402

If it's rimfire 38 short/long, the bore would be .376 and if it's

rimfire 41 short/long than the bore would be .405








Reply author: rufe-snow
Replied on: 07/13/2013 12:45:17 PM
Message:

I agree it's a garden gun chambered for the 22 and 9mm rimfires.

The format of the proof marks shows early production. As the German proof laws were amended in 1912. To do away with the requirement for the marking of the specific proof loads.

Many German sporting guns such as this one were brought back as souvenirs, by our GI's after W W II.

Can't tell much from the photos but if it's factory original and in Very Good condition? It might be viable on the German collectors market. Their looking to get their stuff back. If you were to put it on our auction, might see some action from dealers who sell over there.

EDIT #1, You would have better luck searching for "Garden Gun" or something similar. The early German proof markings not likely to be specific enough. This type of gun was made to sell as a inexpensive, utility gun. Other then the required German proof marks, not likely it had either manufacturers or retailers markings.

EDIT #2, The proof marks you have given us are German. If it was made in Belgium. The proof marks would be entirely different.


Reply author: skipjackone
Replied on: 07/13/2013 1:26:03 PM
Message:

Rufe and Thor: thanks for the information.
I'll try searching the web with NGPm/71 Neues
Gewerhr-pulver Model 71.


Reply author: skipjackone
Replied on: 07/13/2013 2:32:46 PM
Message:

Looks like this might be manufactured by
The Liege United Arms Co. of Belgium.
Possibly a poachers gun?


Reply author: Hawk Carse
Replied on: 07/13/2013 9:30:59 PM
Message:

The type is in the 1911 Alfa catalog, listed as a "small double rifle" 6x9, that is 6mm Flobert and 9mm Rimfire shot. They even show .22 Short and Long on the page with the 6mm.
Cost 38 marks or so.
Yours is in better condition than most. Cheap guns, commonly neglected.


Reply author: skipjackone
Replied on: 07/16/2013 6:45:17 PM
Message:

Thanks Hawk.
Greatly Appreciate the information.


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