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mauser_central
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USA
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Posted - 04/14/2004 :  11:31:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
ok fellows hope one of you can help me here. Ive looked everywhere and cant find anything on this one. All i can tell you is its marked '' American Side Snap '' and the firing pin as seen below is that large all they way through [ both ends its as round as a pencil eraser ]a 12ga shell is undersized and a 10ga shell wont go in it. was their ever an 11ga? i read there was over 100 diffrent shotgun gauges world wide so thats why i ask.
I'd like to know where it was manufactured, value then and value now and date of manufacture along with any other info.
HERES PICS



Anyone ever see a trigger guard used to break the barrel down like this?


Any info at all will be appriciated ! Thanks

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Edited by - mauser_central on 04/14/2004 11:42:58 PM

rufe-snow
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Posted - 04/14/2004 :  11:48:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Found a reference to your shotgun, It notes that it was a Iver Johnson product, circa late 19th Century, early 20th.

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mauser_central
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Posted - 04/14/2004 :  11:54:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Rufe, did it happen list anything on the gauges it came in???

I've always followed my father's advice: he told me, first to always keep my word and, second, to never insult anybody unintentionally. If I insult you, you can be damn sure I intend to. And, third, he told me not to go around looking for trouble.
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rufe-snow
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Posted - 04/15/2004 :  12:04:55 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mauser_central

Thanks Rufe, did it happen list anything on the gauges it came in???

I've always followed my father's advice: he told me, first to always keep my word and, second, to never insult anybody unintentionally. If I insult you, you can be damn sure I intend to. And, third, he told me not to go around looking for trouble.
John Wayne






Nothing on the gauges.

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b.goforth
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Posted - 04/15/2004 :  12:16:00 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
iver johnson manufactured a side snap single barrel shotgun for the j.p. lovell co. of boston called the 'champion side snap (1885-1895). the break open mechanism is the same as shown on the shotgun in your pictures. the shotgun in your pictures is not the champion side snap.

i believe the american side snap single barrel was manufactured by forehand & wadsworth. but there was an actual firearms company called 'american firearms' located near boston in the 1880's (j.p. lovell co. also sold their products). and it could possibly be one of their products
b.goforth
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Bert H.
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Posted - 04/15/2004 :  02:06:26 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello mauser...

You say that it won't chamber a 10 gauge... does that mean it won't even start into the chamber, or that it won't completely chamber? If it is a case of not sliding all the way into the chamber, then there is a simple explanation for that... standard length 10 ga. shells (and chambers) were either 2 5/8" or 2 7/8" back about the time that shotgun was made. Currently made (modern) 10 ga. shells are considerably longer than that and will not fit into many of those old guns (which is probably a very good thing... I would hate to see what would happen if some unknowing person stuffed a modern high-pressure shotshell in one of those old scatterguns and let fly).

There were a few odd gauge shotguns made in U.S., but they are quite rare (but that does not translate into valueable).

Bert H.

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nononsense
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Posted - 04/15/2004 :  09:32:46 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
mauser_central,

I don't want to waste your response numbers but yes, there is an 11 gauge shotshell:

Some more common known gauges are:

0 gauge 1 gauge 2 gauge 3 gauge
4 gauge 8 gauge 10 gauge 11 gauge (rare)
12 gauge 14 gauge 16 gauge 18 gauge (rare)
20 gauge 24 gauge 28 gauge 32 gauge
410 gauge 6mm (CF and Rimfire) 7mm (CF & RF) 9mm (CF&RF)
12mm 14mm .310 Remington skeet 5mm Wingo
http://members.shaw.ca/cartridge-corner/shotgun.htm

There is an incredible amount of information on this site, worthy of a bookmark: http://members.shaw.ca/cstein0/heads.htm

I can't add any more than what has been said already. But you could measure the diameter and length of the chamber, thickness of the rim, for additional information.

Best.

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bigtire
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USA
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Posted - 04/15/2004 :  11:55:21 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The C.S. Shattuck Arms Company made American Side Snap shotguns. The company was started in 1875 in Hatfield MA. by Andrew Hyde & Charles s. Shattuck. In 1880, Shattuck took control. They are best known for inexpensive hand guns and single barrel shotguns. They went out of business in 1909. Their single barrels are valued from $35 to $75, depending on condition.

Can't tell anything you about the guage.

Info from:
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=2865

MOLON LABE!

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mauser_central
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USA
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Posted - 04/15/2004 :  12:13:26 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks guys , I just figured out why this area is called ask the experts, I couldnt even find a reference to this gun.

Bert H. A 10 gauge wont even start to enter the chamber. I wouldnt fire this old relic if i did have ammo [ the thought of firing a Damascus barrel scares the bejesus outta me ]Just curious what it was.

nononsence i dont have an inside mic but i'll pick one up next time i'm in town and compare it thanks for the link !

Bigtire Thanks for the time and research must've been hard finding that i had spent hours at a time looking in the past with no results to mention, i didnt think it had any if much value at all, more sentamental value than anything to me. Again I appriciate your help !

Thank all of you again !

I've always followed my father's advice: he told me, first to always keep my word and, second, to never insult anybody unintentionally. If I insult you, you can be damn sure I intend to. And, third, he told me not to go around looking for trouble.
John Wayne
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