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therealsherlock
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 Posted - 12/06/2004 : 04:35:41 AM
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| About a year and a half ago I bought a new Beretta Bobcat 21 .22 cal. I have had continual jamming problems - at least once per magazine. Mostly they are stovepiping but sometimes not ejecting. I keep the gun clean and oiled, have used both magazines, have used many types of ammo including standard power and even stingers...it jams. My dealer says "It is the nature of the beast" but he never said this when I bought it. I had a Jennings which never jammed but wanted better quality so I bought the Beretta. Does anyone have any opinions or helful suggestions? If not...anyone wanna buy it? Thanks |
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Wogg
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 06:42:10 AM
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| Just kinda wondering...I have a couple of the 21`s and they both do this same little #. If I put a round in the bbl and fire the first shot D/A, it will jam. If I slide one in or cock the hammer by hand, on the first round it never jams. I have gotten used to this so it doesn`t bother me. Always wondered why they were even D/A....Thanks |
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therealsherlock
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 07:18:39 AM
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Originally posted by Wogg
Just kinda wondering...I have a couple of the 21`s and they both do this same little #. If I put a round in the bbl and fire the first shot D/A, it will jam. If I slide one in or cock the hammer by hand, on the first round it never jams. I have gotten used to this so it doesn`t bother me. Always wondered why they were even D/A....Thanks
Boy that doesn't make sense...because either way it fires when the hammer down and has to kick it back either way..double or single action...Hmmmm? |
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bigtire
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 3:29:37 PM
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Stovepipes might be caused by magazine lips being too loose. Try bending them in slightly to keep the bullet pointed at the chmber when the slide goes forward. Might as well polish the feed ramp while you are at it.
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kimberkid
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USA
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 6:24:33 PM
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I've had one for years and never had a problem with it, I've used several kinds of ammo, mostly cheapo $10/brick ammo ... probably mag related.
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JudgeColt
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Posted - 12/07/2004 : 12:47:41 AM
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A "stove pipe" malfunction occurs after a round is fed into the chamber and fired, so I do not think the magaine feed lips would be the cause. If it were just one magazine, perhaps one could argue that the next round in the magazine is riding too high and creating too much slide drag to allow the slide to clear the fired case. When the gun malfunctions with both magazines, it seems doubtful that the magazines are the cause.
A "weak" hold will allow the gun to move too much, thus changing the timing, and perhaps preventing the slide from recoiling far enough to allow the empty case to clear the closing slide, or causing the gun to rise enough to "catch" the casing being ejected.
The reported constant malfunction if the first shot is fired double action versus no malfunction if the first shot is fired single action also may be explained by the difference in grip. Firing double action or single action will result in a different grip for each mode of firing, which might be the cause.
I have a fairly old nickel Model 21 .22LR and it is totally reliable in any firing mode with any of several magazines. All of the rimfire Models 21 of which I am aware are also reliable, so these malfucntions are news to me.
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easygo6
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 12/07/2004 : 10:17:02 AM
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I've always heard good things about these pistols. My Model 21 has NEVER malfunctioned. try tightening the grip as JudgeColt recommends.
If you go bending on the magazine lips, without any experience at this sort of thing, you could ruin a good magazine and/or make matters worse.
Let Beretta have a look at it. if grip changes do not solve the problem. Write a clear, concise, honest letter....it has been this way since new (I am assuming you did not buy it second-hand).
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therealsherlock
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - 12/08/2004 : 07:46:22 AM
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I've always heard good things about these pistols. My Model 21 has NEVER malfunctioned. try tightening the grip as JudgeColt recommends.
If you go bending on the magazine lips, without any experience at this sort of thing, you could ruin a good magazine and/or make matters worse.
Let Beretta have a look at it. if grip changes do not solve the problem. Write a clear, concise, honest letter....it has been this way since new (I am assuming you did not buy it second-hand).
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Ok...thanks. I have not done any mag bending and won't because it would be guaranteed that I would screw it up. I will try to tighten the grip and see what happens...interesting concept. I have e-mailed Beretta with a good, honest, clean description but have not yet got a reply. thanks for the suggestions..
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JIM STARK
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Posted - 12/09/2004 : 05:27:47 AM
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Judge Colt is right on....I sold a very petite young lady a mod. 21.. It continuously stovepiped cases...FOR HER..When I shot it I couldn't get it to mess up to save my soul.... I held her wrist when she fired it and we had no stovepipes..A "limp wrist" hold on a small caliber semi-auto will absorb the inertia required to completely cycle the bolt..
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therealsherlock
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Posted - 12/09/2004 : 06:01:51 AM
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Originally posted by JIM STARK
Judge Colt is right on....I sold a very petite young lady a mod. 21.. It continuously stovepiped cases...FOR HER..When I shot it I couldn't get it to mess up to save my soul.... I held her wrist when she fired it and we had no stovepipes..A "limp wrist" hold on a small caliber semi-auto will absorb the inertia required to completely cycle the bolt..
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I have never been accused of being "limp wristed" before but if that is the problem I will sure be thankful for pointing it out. I will attempt to give it a try later today. Since it is 3am in the morning right now I probably better wait for daylight..especially since I am at work....thanks
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therealsherlock
Starting Member
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Posted - 12/09/2004 : 11:50:15 AM
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Originally posted by JIM STARK
Judge Colt is right on....I sold a very petite young lady a mod. 21.. It continuously stovepiped cases...FOR HER..When I shot it I couldn't get it to mess up to save my soul.... I held her wrist when she fired it and we had no stovepipes..A "limp wrist" hold on a small caliber semi-auto will absorb the inertia required to completely cycle the bolt..
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I have never been accused of being "limp wristed" before but if that is the problem I will sure be thankful for pointing it out. I will attempt to give it a try later today. Since it is 3am in the morning right now I probably better wait for daylight..especially since I am at work....thanks
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Ok, I made it home and did a test. I gripped the little 21 very firmly and blew off 6 magazines of ammo into my garage trap. Two of the magazines had CCI standard velocity - I had two rounds that did not feed...they didn't stovepipe, they just never came up....then I took four magazines of PMC Zapper hi-velocity and blew them all through (holding firmly of course) and had NO jams. This was a first...four mags with no jams. Therefore, I must declare that holding the little thing (the gun) much more firmly does indeed help the odds. Also I must assume that the standard velocity is not adequate but the hi-velocity helped. Thanks for the suggestions...I think it helped the odd....
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