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sig232
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Posted - 08/31/2006 :  1:28:56 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I cannot find these in Fjestad's Blue Book of Gun Values, 25 edition.

Anyone know anything about them?

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p3skyking
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Posted - 08/31/2006 :  1:43:46 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah, I'm an expert on them. Look under Japanese Military in Blue Book.

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Tailgunner1954
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Posted - 08/31/2006 :  2:54:43 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It's spelled Arasaka

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sig232
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Posted - 08/31/2006 :  3:32:41 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by p3skyking

Yeah, I'm an expert on them. Look under Japanese Military in Blue Book.




I may get a chance to look at the rifle closer today and I will follow your advice and get more info on where it was produced and when. I was told the year but also wonder how they figured it out since I don't believe any of them spead anything other that English and German.

I will repost as soon as I get the data and take a quick look down the bore. Thanks for your help on the expert forum.

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1911a1-fan
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Posted - 08/31/2006 :  4:05:54 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
try arisaki also


what is it you need to know, most here can tell you what they actually sell for, and what is most desired in them, i myself find that better than a book




quote:
Originally posted by nunn

PLEASE...Will all of you who carry a 1911, chamber loaded, hammer down, unload it, leave it home, and carry something else.

Condition 2 is the most dangerous condition for a 1911. In that condition, it can fire if dropped. I refer to those without the Colt Series 80 passive firing pin safety.

Condition 1 is the way to go. If that makes you nervous, carry chamber empty or get a Glock.









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hughbetcha
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Posted - 08/31/2006 :  4:31:45 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think it's Arisaka. Japanese rifles are also known by year of introduction Type 99, type 37 etc.

The Arisaka is a very strong bolt action design, pretty ugly and often crudely finished due to wartime production shortages. Japanese were the first to use chromium lining on bores of their rifles to reduce corrosion.

I paid about $150 for my Arisaka about 15 years ago. It has the crest ground off the receiver ring. I think an Arisaka with Chrysanthamum crest on receiver is pretty rare and probably worth a lot more.
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Ox190
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Posted - 08/31/2006 :  4:34:34 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have one with the crest...only problem with the gun is my grandfather ground off the T bolt and made it like a traditional bolt action. It's a 7.7 and man that is an expensive little sucker to shoot. But mine is pretty darn accurate and blast to shoot.
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KYfatboy
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Posted - 08/31/2006 :  4:35:42 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't like, you could not pay me enough to shoot one of them. They have no gas checks on the bolt, their dangerous to shoot. A friend of mine had one and was shooting it A long time ago, A part of the bolt went through his eye. They aint worth nothing.
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Posted - 08/31/2006 :  4:38:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
arisaka, arisaki, potato /patato

i did not say which was correct because i have seen it both ways although i think arisaka is correct, but you may find it often spelled arisaki


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quote:
Originally posted by nunn

PLEASE...Will all of you who carry a 1911, chamber loaded, hammer down, unload it, leave it home, and carry something else.

Condition 2 is the most dangerous condition for a 1911. In that condition, it can fire if dropped. I refer to those without the Colt Series 80 passive firing pin safety.

Condition 1 is the way to go. If that makes you nervous, carry chamber empty or get a Glock.









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Wulfmann
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Posted - 08/31/2006 :  4:46:52 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thye are considered the strongest bolt action built, as I have been told.
So, I suspect your friends rifle had a problem that should have been checked before he fired it but that is certainly speculation)
I recently bought one (7.7MM) with a duffle cut stock so it is missing the first 6 inches from the muzzle. Other than that and the ground off CR it is complete with the AA sites perfect. I had 3 Norma rounds I found sometime back at the range and so fired one at a 25 yard target. It went exactly where I pointed it and the crome bore is like a mirror. But, I have so many calibers I will drag it to the gun show.
What do you think I should expect? For about 100 bucks I could buy dies 100 cases and 500 311 bullets that would likely last a lifetime so can't see giving it away as it works so well.

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sig232
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Posted - 08/31/2006 :  6:13:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 1911a1fan

try arisaki also


what is it you need to know, most here can tell you what they actually sell for, and what is most desired in them, i myself find that better than a book




Trying to establish a value on the rifle. Its a model 99 with the flower stamped and the 16" bayonet. Looks to be in top shape, no rust according to my friend. 7.????? cal This rifle was brought back by an old gals husband following the war and wrapped for safekeeping.

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Edited by - sig232 on 08/31/2006 6:16:55 PM
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1911a1-fan
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Posted - 08/31/2006 :  6:17:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Trying to establish a value on the rifle. Its a model 99 with the flower stamped and the 16" bayonet. Looks to be in top shape, no rust according to my friend. 7.????? cal


here is what i have seen/bought/sold in the Midwest area

one in really good shape can fetch 125-150 bucks, add 75 for the bayonet alone if it has the sheath, now if the mum is in tack 100% i would not take less than 400 for the rifle alone



here is an excelent link for your markings

http://www.radix.net/~bbrown/japanese_markings.html




quote:
Originally posted by nunn

PLEASE...Will all of you who carry a 1911, chamber loaded, hammer down, unload it, leave it home, and carry something else.

Condition 2 is the most dangerous condition for a 1911. In that condition, it can fire if dropped. I refer to those without the Colt Series 80 passive firing pin safety.

Condition 1 is the way to go. If that makes you nervous, carry chamber empty or get a Glock.









FOR SALE RED GHOST PEPPERS, AKA: BHUT JOLOKIA, ALL 1,000,000
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Edited by - 1911a1-fan on 08/31/2006 6:19:03 PM
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p3skyking
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Posted - 08/31/2006 :  7:56:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by KYfatboy

I don't like, you could not pay me enough to shoot one of them. They have no gas checks on the bolt, their dangerous to shoot. A friend of mine had one and was shooting it A long time ago, A part of the bolt went through his eye. They aint worth nothing.



There is a very good chance your friend fired a live round in a training rifle. They were designed for blanks only and made from cast steel. They are plainly marked for training only, but in Japanese! How many round eyes can read Japanese? This is the origin of the erroneous stories of cast iron rifles.

The NRA did blow-up test in the fifties using all the principle weapons of WWII, Springfield, Mauser, Enfield, Arisaka. They fused the bolt of the Arisaka, but it never gave way while the others did.

I've fired last ditch, and I mean last ditch, weapons without problem.

"and yes, I do believe a snake talked to Eve"
I wonder if he had a lisp?

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hughbetcha
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Posted - 08/31/2006 :  8:33:20 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by p3skyking
There is a very good chance your friend fired a live round in a training rifle.



Ooh...I hate when that happens...
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Highball
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Posted - 08/31/2006 :  10:55:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Actually, P.O. Ackley ran a series of tests many years ago..the fifties, perhaps...and the Jap rifle came up the winner in the pure brute strength catagory. Packing the barrel full of bullets merely resulted in the barrel being blown out of the action...they screwed another barrel on the action and continued trying to destroy the action.

The amount of powder they put in the case was amazing..(fast burning powder)..

The training rifles mentioned above WERE indeed dangerous..

The Jap rifles have experienced a jump in prices, the last few years. I have seen some priced 5-600 bucks, the rarer ones.
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Colonel Plink
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Posted - 09/01/2006 :  08:08:58 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by KYfatboy

I don't like, you could not pay me enough to shoot one of them. They have no gas checks on the bolt, their dangerous to shoot. A friend of mine had one and was shooting it A long time ago, A part of the bolt went through his eye. They aint worth nothing.



I shot mine last Sunday.
Then a sharp-eyed young lady shot it and landed a group of three inside an inch and a half. As soon as I get the bolt bent and have it drilled and tapped, I'm going to scope it and use it for a deer/elk rifle. It cost me $35.00 to buy, and with the new stock and recoil pad, I guess I've got less than a hundred and a half into a very nice, very accurate rifle.
I respectfully disagree that they're inherently dangerous. They've got one of, if not the strongest actions produced. But stuff happens. I am sorry to hear about your friend.

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