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 Shilo Sharps .45-110 "The Quigley"
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brown3345
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Posted - 09/30/2006 :  09:25:40 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My father just gave me one of his rifles that he does not shoot anymore, It's a Shilo Sharps .45-110 Bullalo Rifle "The Quigley". Although I have a lot of experience with shooting and reloading, I know alomst nothing about Blackpowder cartridge guns. Does anyone have any advise on reloading with this type of gun?

Spider7115
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Posted - 10/01/2006 :  09:51:55 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Try the Shiloh Sharps forums - I'm sure they'll be happy to assist you. http://www.shilohrifle.com/forums/

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surbat6
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Posted - 10/01/2006 :  2:15:58 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you intend to load those 2 7/8 inch cartridges with black powder, I suggest you read Loading the Black Powder Rifle Cartridge by Paul Matthews.

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brown3345
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Posted - 10/02/2006 :  02:25:58 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks so much, looks like an interesting rifle to shoot. He never got a chance to shoot it much due to his failing eyesight. Hopefully I can take him out to listen to it sound off like I think it will.

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allen griggs
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Posted - 10/02/2006 :  07:06:37 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
All I know is, those guns go for about $1,600 in Cabelas.
I wish your father would give me a rifle!
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brown3345
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Posted - 10/02/2006 :  12:38:45 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just went over to the Shilo Sharps website www.shilorifle.com and found that models base price starts at $2,953.00. He sold a couple shotguns, W W Greener's I think and bought this. As I recall he was on a very long waiting list to get it. I wish I never knew how much it cost, now I am afraid I might scratch it! But being as heavy as it is I don't think I will ever take it into the swamps Deer hunting.
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darksider
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Posted - 10/03/2006 :  11:11:25 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have a shilo "Quigley" they dont sell it at Cabela's they have pedorselis if you are going to shoot black powder you are going to have to spend time at the range to find the right combonation of bullet and wad to shoot accurately you want to make sure that when
you seat the bullet that it COMPRESSES the powder

if you want to shoot smokless I shoot 44gr of 5744 with a 300gr gas check very accurate load. plan on using it for hunting next year (antelope)
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brown3345
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Posted - 10/04/2006 :  11:35:55 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
just got an email from Shiloh. the gun was made in the late 70's and back then it was called the "Hartford". Learn something every day!
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Blckhrn
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Posted - 10/20/2006 :  08:09:49 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A friend of mine is waiting on one, he said $3600 if memory serves. He wanted to start w/ 45/70 and rechamber to 45/90 when he got used to reloading and shooting. Didn't make much sense to me.

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surbat6
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Posted - 10/20/2006 :  08:56:52 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Same here.
Now if he got a .45-70 and later bought another in .45-90, THAT I can understand!

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Blckhrn
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Posted - 10/22/2006 :  10:23:10 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well, OK but why not just chamber for 45 x 3 1/4 and load down or up as needed or wanted?

That is my plan for the Spanish rolling block I'm working on.

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Edited by - Blckhrn on 10/22/2006 10:35:52 AM
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Hawk Carse
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Posted - 10/22/2006 :  11:02:09 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You will get better accuracy if you do not use the bullet to compress the powder. Use a separate compression die so you can seat the normal soft BP bullet gently; just hard enough to be sure it is against the over-powder wad, not hard enough to squash it out of shape.

There is some risk in rechambering a .45-70 to .45-90. If the reamers are not matched and perfectly aligned (or the -90 a little larger) you can be left with a ring in the chamber that will hamper extraction and accuracy.

Look twice before you chamber a rolling block to a 3.25" case. The cartridge has to go in over the block at a bit of an angle, the RB does not open 100% like a Sharps. Ken Waters found that the 2.75" .458 RCBS was the longest he could get in a Navy Arms R.B. and that required grinding the hammer nose on a bevel to clear.
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Blckhrn
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Posted - 10/22/2006 :  11:40:53 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I checked, I will be able to chamber the 3 1/4 round with some grinding. Oddly, it will chamber in my NYS model without grinding.


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PATBUZZARD
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USA
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Posted - 10/23/2006 :  9:57:38 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Get the lyman die for their 535 gr Postell... It has won many matches...


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