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marsye
Junior Member

256 Posts

Posted - 10/12/2006 :  4:54:19 PM  Show Profile
Hi,
According to the rules from GunBroker.com I do not need an FFL to sell however I know that if I sell a frame, receiver, a whole gun, etc. that it must be shipped to a FFL holder and I have to run a check and all that good stuff before I ship. However I have been told lately that I do need an FFL to in order to sell on GunBroker. Has something changed lately that I'm not aware of? I have a few personal items such as barrels with receivers that I need to sell but I'm leary about doing so. I'm not a dealer so I'm not up with all the gun laws. They are confusing to me. Any input would be appreciated!

He Dog
Advanced Member

Australia
37398 Posts

Posted - 10/12/2006 :  5:00:58 PM  Show Profile
You do not need to hold an FFL to sell. In interstate trade you much ship to an FFL (C&R FFL if eligeble). That said, some FFL holders will not accept a firearm from a shipper who does not hold an FFL, so you will need a caveat in your listing to the effect that the buyer is responible for finding a transfer FFL that will accept a firearm from a private seller. There are limits on how you can legally ship as well. For example, an FFL may ship a hand gun via USPS. A private seller may not.

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Old Fool
Senior Member

USA
1837 Posts

Posted - 10/12/2006 :  5:01:05 PM  Show Profile
You do not have to be an FFL holder, but you must have a FFL holder willing to do the transfer for you. Normal charge around here is $20-$25

He who governs least governs best.

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Spider7115
Moderator

USA
24768 Posts

Posted - 10/12/2006 :  5:02:24 PM  Show Profile
You don't need an FFL but you must ship to an FFL. If it's a handgun, you can ship through UPS or FedEx but you must be an FFL dealer to ship through the US Postal Service. If you are selling privately and are not an FFL dealer, you don't need to run any background checks. You wouldn't be able to anyway. However, make sure you comply with your local and state laws. Speak to your local FFL dealer and he should be able to enlighten you.

Read the shipping guide at http://www.GunBroker.com/Support/SupportFAQView.asp?FAQID=1118&NoCount=1

-"SPIDER"

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Edited by - Spider7115 on 10/12/2006 5:03:55 PM
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sandwarrior
Advanced Member

USA
5332 Posts

Posted - 10/12/2006 :  5:03:56 PM  Show Profile
Marsye

Not if you don't sell to make a profit. Meaning if you are selling off your collection or a friends you are okay...even if you do come out ahead. If you are getting guns for wholesale and selling them for higher then yes you do. The barreled receivers you have are okay for not needing an FFL to sell here.

As far as running the check before you ship that is a Good CYA business-wise. It would only matter if for some reason one of the pieces you got hold of was stolen somewhere in the past and you did not know about it.



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nmyers
Advanced Member

12693 Posts

Posted - 10/12/2006 :  5:45:28 PM  Show Profile
An entire gun, a barreled receiver, or just a receiver, are all the same under federal firearms laws ---- you can sell them to an individual within your state (state & local law permitting), or to a dealer in any state. You can only ship handguns by UPS or Fedex; longarms can be mailed.

There are problems with certain high capacity magazines in some states; if you don't know all state & local laws, don't fool with mags.

Any other item can be sold by you over GB without a problem.

There has been no recent change, except maybe a change in your perception of the law.

Neal
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Clarentavious
Member

USA
749 Posts

Posted - 10/12/2006 :  5:51:19 PM  Show Profile
You don't need an FFL As far as shipping to an FFL... when the buyer faxes you their FFL, or gives you their license number, all you have to do is go to the ATF's website, put in the number on their EZ-Check; and make sure the address the buyer is asking you to ship to, is the address listed as their business location attached to their FFL.

And that's all you have to do. Since EZ-Check is owned and operated by the ATF, there's no way you could be held accountable for a problem. If there's corruption among the ATF, or they forget to update their own records, the argument exist that "if the government couldn't do it right, then a normal citizen can't be expected to go beyond their efforts"

This happened with the former porn star Traci Lords. She presented a fake ID to the producers of her movies, so she could star in them under age... But see, the ID itself was actually real, issues by a government agency. But she used some sort of stolen or forged document to get that ID (birth certificate, passport, etc...). The government was forced to drop the "kiddie porn" charges against her producers because "if the government could be fooled, then certainly civilians can"
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He Dog
Advanced Member

Australia
37398 Posts

Posted - 10/12/2006 :  6:02:29 PM  Show Profile
quote:
I'm not a dealer so I'm not up with all the gun laws.


If you are going to sell just one or two, your should make yourself familiar with the laws so you do not unintentionally break them. If you are buying and selling, you are a gundealer without an FFL and that is a violation that will likely get you a vist from some nice folks from the government.

The average response time for a 911 call is 23 minutes; the response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second.
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marsye
Junior Member

256 Posts

Posted - 10/12/2006 :  7:01:37 PM  Show Profile
Thanks for all of the answers. It sounds like I do all the rights things. :-)
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brummiejim
Junior Member

229 Posts

Posted - 10/13/2006 :  3:04:45 PM  Show Profile
Hi. Re: selling guns and related stuff on the Gun Broker web site, did you contact the fine folks who run Gun Broker and ask them about the requirements to sell such items? If so, what did the say? If not, maybe you should ask them now. Just a thought. Regards Jim
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jbw1776
Advanced Member

2526 Posts

Posted - 10/13/2006 :  6:11:16 PM  Show Profile
Look, lets quit making this so complicated. Everything you need to know has already been answered here in the previous posts. IF you still have doubts, instead of calling GB, go here to this page that they put up on the auction side under, "For Sellers", right up there at the top. This will answer any question that the folks on the phone can. Basically states everything thats been posted.

Good luck.

http://www.GunBroker.com/User/SellerTutorial.asp

Ben


Click here to check out my listings on GunBroker!



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