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modoc
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USA
952 Posts

Posted - 09/06/2002 :  9:03:09 PM  Show Profile
I lust traded for an old muzzle loader that is marked Tower on the lock and the barrel. It has the British broad arrow stamp,which leads me to believe that it was owned by the Crown in it's early life. Probably a military RAMPART GUN. It was a flintlock in the past but is now a percussion. The bore looks to be at least 1". The barrel is 56" long with one thimble left where there were three at one time. The stock is in fairly good condition and goes up the barrel a third of the way. The ramrod is missing. Aside from DIXIE, do you know where I might find parts and springs for such a lock???Any idea of the value of such firearms?????Is there a demand for such things???If so where??
I was wondering if it was used by a PUNTER in it's later life.Found it in a yard sale here in Oregon of all places.I understand they are still legal in the British Isles for punting.Any and all help appreciated.Thanks,modoc

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captkirk3@dslextreme.com
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Posted - 09/06/2002 :  10:12:56 PM  Show Profile
modoc: good Evening Sir; Punt Gun or Rampart Gun...? By the description you gave I'd say PUNT GUN..But that's going to depend upon the Butt of the Gun...The Punt was a Boat that Early day Market Hunters used..The Punt had a Post Mounted in the Stern to rest the Butt of the Gun against, as there was No shoulder made that would take that kind of punishment when it went BANG! The Rampart Gun Normally had a very short Fore Stock, as it had a Spike Welded to the Bottom of the Barrel. The Ramparts had Holes in the Masonry that the Spike dropped into..It was just like a Poormans Machinegun Mount..You had to have something to absorb the Recoil when this Cannon went off!
It would be very interesting to see a couple of Photos of this Gun ! Think you could take a few Photos and Pass them along...Parts are going to somewhat difficult to find that would drop In for your gun...Everything will most likely have to be made to Fit or at the very least Hand Fitted from something that comes close...A Friend of Mine that makes Kentucky Rifles found another Company that Handles Percussion and Flintlock Parts up in Minnesota...Its called Track of the Wolf, Inc.
The address is P.O. Box 6....Osseo, Minnesota 55369-0006
Phone # 612-424-2500
Give them a call and ask if they can help you out...Besure to let Me know if they were or are helpful...!
As for putting an evaluation on this gun, I'd have to see it up close and personal...its gonna depend upon just exactly what you have and the actual condition...Keep in Touch with me...I would like to know what you accomplish over the next few months....Best....

Captain Kirk, Tech Staff


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Jody Commander
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917 Posts

Posted - 09/07/2002 :  08:33:24 AM  Show Profile
Punt gun would be my guess also, I have seen numerous rampart guns, they were all large bore with short barrels for ease of loading in a battle. Old locks were commonly used in punt guns so that if lost over the side, a new lock was not lost, I have an idea these market hunters did not have much money to be investing in new locks on guns that were exposed to the elements and often dumped in the bottom of the punt with dead birds and salt water.
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rhmc24
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1597 Posts

Posted - 09/07/2002 :  5:24:16 PM  Show Profile
Try the address or phone below. He is a parts manufacturer and offers a 300 page catalog of parts for antique guns, most pictured full size. If anybody has what you want he is the most likely.

The Rifle Shoppe - Jess Melot
18420 East Hefner
Jones, OK 73049
Shop (405) 396 2583

Hope this helps. Robert
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mazo kid
Member

USA
944 Posts

Posted - 09/07/2002 :  6:13:59 PM  Show Profile
Bill, you didn't say what lock parts you needed; are you trying to make the gun workable, restore it back to flintlock?? I. too, would like to see a picture or two of the gun, or at least some lock dimensions. Emery
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leeblackman
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5379 Posts

Posted - 09/07/2002 :  7:26:29 PM  Show Profile
Sweetness, we would probably all love to see a picture of one, could you post it, please?

If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.

The sound of a 12 gauge pump clears a house fatser than Rosie O eats a Big Mac !
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modoc
Member

USA
952 Posts

Posted - 09/07/2002 :  10:38:03 PM  Show Profile
I would like to share pictures with all of you but am not versed in how to send a picture through this site.So those of you who would like pictures,please send me your email address's.Mine is;
---fatalbrt@cdsnet.net---
To answer the question about the lock.YES,I will be replacing the percussion parts to flint if I can find the correct parts.Am not going to screw it up if I can help it...It also needs a ramrod so will probably whittle it out of oak.I intend to fire it with Black powder and a wad only.I can't imagine the powder flask this thing needed.It is 6'1 1/2" long.Any body out there have a front sight for one of these things??????It was cut for a sight in a dovetail.The tower lock is 6 5/8 long and 1 1/4" wide.TOWER on the back end with the EAGLE and V.R. which I assume stands for Victoria Rex. on the lock plate.The first 19 1/4" of the barrel is octagonal.The stock is paddle shaped.
What more can I mention??It has completely knocked my socks off.Such a wonderful find.Too bad the previous owner isn't still around.But if he was I wouldn't have the piece yet.
Thank you for the reception to this old girl and a special thanks for the information to help me with the project.modoc,aka,bill

BILL
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rhmc24
Senior Member

1597 Posts

Posted - 09/08/2002 :  4:44:36 PM  Show Profile
I tried to send you email to the address you gave but it was rejected as un-deliverable. Typo error???. Further to mine above, The Rifle Shoppe email is trshoppe@aol.com. My email is rhmc24@swbell.net
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modoc
Member

USA
952 Posts

Posted - 09/08/2002 :  6:03:49 PM  Show Profile
It seems that on their first try everybody includes an E in albrt. Causes much cofusion.Come on you can do it.bill

BILL
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captkirk3@dslextreme.com
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5025 Posts

Posted - 09/08/2002 :  7:28:14 PM  Show Profile
RAMRODS are made outa HICKORY.....Thems the Bestus....Oak is for Makin' Ribs for Pelican's Boat....You have my email address...send me a photo...Like to see this gun....Best...

Captain Kirk, Tech Staff


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modoc
Member

USA
952 Posts

Posted - 09/08/2002 :  10:24:46 PM  Show Profile
OK will do !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BILL
KEEP YOUR POWDER DRY.BUT NOT HOT.....
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