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CapnMidnight
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 Posted - 11/19/2008 : 02:05:53 AM
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Bert,
Two old 94s for your survey
marked 25-35 WCF
serial #285035
1 magazine band dovetailed into bottom of barrel, old style concave butt plate, 26" barrel
marked 30 WCF
serial #82302
Magazine, butt plate and barrel band and lenth are the same. Both are standard rifles with standard wood.
Hope this helps.
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Sage
Junior Member
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Posted - 11/19/2008 : 11:27:53 AM
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| Two more for you Bert #1 ; 1256061 32 W.S. Lined buttplate milled barrel band #2 1427964 30 W.C.F. checkered buttplate flat barrel band |
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Bert H.
Moderator
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Posted - 11/24/2008 : 1:29:04 PM
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Originally posted by Sage
Two more for you Bert #1 ; 1256061 32 W.S. Lined buttplate milled barrel band #2 1427964 30 W.C.F. checkered buttplate flat barrel band
Thank you very much for the information. I have one question for you concerning serial 1256061... does it have a "W" stamped on the bottom of the receiver between the serial number and the lever? |
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Bert H.
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Posted - 11/24/2008 : 1:30:34 PM
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Originally posted by CapnMidnight
Bert,
Two old 94s for your survey
marked 25-35 WCF
serial #285035
1 magazine band dovetailed into bottom of barrel, old style concave butt plate, 26" barrel
marked 30 WCF
serial #82302
Magazine, butt plate and barrel band and lenth are the same. Both are standard rifles with standard wood.
Hope this helps.
W.D.
Do you have a Cody letter for either one of these guns? |
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CapnMidnight
Senior Member
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Posted - 11/25/2008 : 5:17:28 PM
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No letter, they came through Dans shop for cleaning and a rear sight elevator replacement on one. We are making an effort to record all of the info on old Winchesters that come through. Just trying to help out. Your survey has helped us answer alot of questions for customers, and helps in buying and trading. Knowledge is a good tool.
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Bert H.
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Posted - 11/25/2008 : 11:35:47 PM
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Originally posted by CapnMidnight
No letter, they came through Dans shop for cleaning and a rear sight elevator replacement on one. We are making an effort to record all of the info on old Winchesters that come through. Just trying to help out. Your survey has helped us answer alot of questions for customers, and helps in buying and trading. Knowledge is a good tool.
W.D.
Great... every bit of information helps, and I really appreciate your interest in my on going survey and any information you can provide.
Please contact me at Win1885@msn.com as I believe that I have something you and Dan will be interested in. |
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Sage
Junior Member
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Posted - 11/25/2008 : 11:39:16 PM
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| Yes Bert it does have the W stamp. I had always assumed that it stood for Winchester, what does it mean? |
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Bert H.
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Posted - 11/26/2008 : 12:28:55 AM
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Originally posted by Sage
Yes Bert it does have the W stamp. I had always assumed that it stood for Winchester, what does it mean?
It means that it was factory refinished prior to being shipped and sold. During the time frame your Model 94 Carbine was made, Winchester was struggling with a new "improved" bluing type, and many guns subsequently failed inspection (quality control) after initial finishing. Those that failed inspection were rejected, and sent back for refinishing. Winchester stamped a "W" on the bottom of the frame to indicate that fact. |
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Sage
Junior Member
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Posted - 11/27/2008 : 8:39:49 PM
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| Two more I had in the safe same era...1220095 32-W.S.- milled bb lined bp has the W, 1452535 32-W.S.- flat bb checkerd bp no W and thank you for all the information. Best regards |
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Bert H.
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Posted - 11/28/2008 : 11:00:30 AM
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Originally posted by Sage
Two more I had in the safe same era...1220095 32-W.S.- milled bb lined bp has the W, 1452535 32-W.S.- flat bb checkerd bp no W and thank you for all the information. Best regards
Thank you very much for the additional information . Would it be possible for you to send me a clear picture of your "W" marked guns? I do not own one with the "W" mark to use as an example in this topic string, and I would like to post a picture for reference purposes.
edit: I forgot to mention, the DOMs are 1940 and 1947 respectively for your carbines. |
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schintzie
Junior Member
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Posted - 11/28/2008 : 5:14:12 PM
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Hello Bert,
Model 94
Serial number 1545518
-32 W.S.-
Flat barrel band
Checkered steel buttplate
No receiver sight holes
Model 94
Serial number 1612264
-30 W.C.F.-
Milled barrel band
Checkered steel buttplate
No receiver sight holes
Model 94
Serial number 1788098
-30-30 WIN.-
Milled barrel band
Original buttplate replaced with a Pachmayr recoil pad long ago.
Has a Lyman No. 66A receiver sight installed, rear sight dovetail filled with a Marble’s blank.
Short foreend wood
(This one is a shooter and still gets a lot of use.)
Model 55
Serial number 9922
-30 WC.F.-
Steel buttplate with horizontal lines (as it should)
No receiver sight holes (not messed with)
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Bert H.
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Posted - 11/28/2008 : 9:43:23 PM
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Originally posted by schintzie
Hello Bert,
Model 94
Serial number 1545518 DOM is 1948
-32 W.S.-
Flat barrel band
Checkered steel buttplate
No receiver sight holes
Model 94
Serial number 1612264 DOM is 1949
-30 W.C.F.-
Milled barrel band
Checkered steel buttplate
No receiver sight holes
Model 94
Serial number 1788098 DOM is 1951
-30-30 WIN.-
Milled barrel band
Original buttplate replaced with a Pachmayr recoil pad long ago.
Has a Lyman No. 66A receiver sight installed, rear sight dovetail filled with a Marble’s blank. The receiver sight was a special order option in 1951, but became a standard option in 1952.
Short foreend wood
(This one is a shooter and still gets a lot of use.)
Model 55
Serial number 9922 DOM is 1927
-30 WC.F.-
Steel buttplate with horizontal lines (as it should)
No receiver sight holes (not messed with)
Thank you very much for the information. I inserted the DOM and other information above. |
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toadtown
Starting Member
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Posted - 11/29/2008 : 9:40:04 PM
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Originally posted by Bert H.
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Originally posted by toadtown
I have a 94, sn 1524815. It has the checked buttplate and is marked -30WCF as seems appropiate for its number. The barrel band is flat. It appears all correct escept for the part which elevates the rear sight blade, which part is simply a flat piece with notches in it, no checkered part sticking out the end.
Hello toadtown,
Your Model 94 flat-band was manufactured in 1948. Can you post (or send me) a picture of the rear sight elevator?
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CapnMidnight
Senior Member
USA
1434 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2008 : 11:19:16 PM
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Bert,
Two more that went through our gun show saterday.
Model 94 SRC
Serial #774368
30 WCF
Rifle butt plate
Model 94 Carbine
Serial #2064092
30-30 Win
Metal checkered butt plate
Round barrel bands
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toadtown
Starting Member
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Posted - 12/01/2008 : 6:51:16 PM
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Originally posted by Bert H.
[quote]Originally posted by toadtown
I have a 94, sn 1524815. It has the checked buttplate and is marked -30WCF as seems appropiate for its number. The barrel band is flat. It appears all correct escept for the part which elevates the rear sight blade, which part is simply a flat piece with notches in it, no checkered part sticking out the end.
Hello toadtown,
Your Model 94 flat-band was manufactured in 1948. Can you post (or send me) a picture of the rear sight elevator?
I have some photos to post but I am not a computer programmer or software designer. That being the case, there does not seem to be any way for me to post a photo on this forum. I read the faqs but got no help from them. If you would like to tell me how to do it I would love to.
Regards;
David Jackson![]()
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Bert H.
Moderator
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8249 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2008 : 11:12:19 PM
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Originally posted by toadtown
quote:
Originally posted by Bert H.
[quote]Originally posted by toadtown
I have a 94, sn 1524815. It has the checked buttplate and is marked -30WCF as seems appropiate for its number. The barrel band is flat. It appears all correct escept for the part which elevates the rear sight blade, which part is simply a flat piece with notches in it, no checkered part sticking out the end.
Hello toadtown,
Your Model 94 flat-band was manufactured in 1948. Can you post (or send me) a picture of the rear sight elevator?
I have some photos to post but I am not a computer programmer or software designer. That being the case, there does not seem to be any way for me to post a photo on this forum. I read the faqs but got no help from them. If you would like to tell me how to do it I would love to.
Regards;
David Jackson![]()
Hello David,
Please read the information in this topic - http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=259294
It explains how to post pictures on this forum. |
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jls49
Starting Member
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Posted - 12/08/2008 : 3:14:20 PM
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Bert
I have a model 64 serial #1092229 30WCF with butt plate you show it is not drilled and tapped
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Bert H.
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Posted - 12/08/2008 : 3:21:24 PM
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Originally posted by jls49
Bert
I have a model 64 serial #1092229 30WCF with butt plate you show it is not drilled and tapped
John
Hello John,
First, thank you very much for the information. I do have two questions;
1. Is your Model 64 a Carbine (20-inch barrel)?
2. Does it have a bolt mounted peep sight? |
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jls49
Starting Member
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Posted - 12/08/2008 : 3:43:34 PM
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Burt it has a 24 inch barrel and it does not have a bolt mounted peep sight. I think the buck horn sight is a replacement
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Bert H.
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Posted - 12/08/2008 : 5:49:01 PM
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Originally posted by jls49
Burt it has a 24 inch barrel and it does not have a bolt mounted peep sight. I think the buck horn sight is a replacement
John
Can you post (or send me) a picture of the rear sight (and left side of the receiver)?
Edit: I forgot to add... your Model 64 was one of the last few made in the year 1933. Serial number 1092328 was the last Model 94/64 made in the year 1933. |
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Sage
Junior Member
369 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2008 : 11:09:44 AM
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 Bert, taken with my phone not sure how they would turn out. Hope they help. |
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Bert H.
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Posted - 12/12/2008 : 9:57:33 PM
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Originally posted by Sage
Bert, taken with my phone not sure how they would turn out. Hope they help.
Thanks... can you get a clear photo with a regular digital camera? I would really appreciate clear well lit photos for my article. |
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hunt mann
New Member
USA
61 Posts |
Posted - 12/20/2008 : 10:53:15 AM
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| Hello Bert. If you are interested I have a very early 94 i believe it was produced in 1898 Has been in my family for as long as i can trace it back 70 80 years maybe more. don't know much about it. The finnish is almost a silver color from years of wear although it has been stored safely and unused for at least 50 years.I am sure that in it's early years it was well used. seems to be all original. I would apriciate anny info you could give me. Info ass follows. mod 94 30/30 sn# 111746 spring loaded Marbles peep on tang crescent butt plate .This rifle works perfectly and is a nice unaltered piece of American history. Thanks. hunt mann |
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Bert H.
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Posted - 12/20/2008 : 11:41:52 AM
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Originally posted by hunt mann
Hello Bert. If you are interested I have a very early 94 i believe it was produced in 1898 Has been in my family for as long as i can trace it back 70 80 years maybe more. don't know much about it. The finnish is almost a silver color from years of wear although it has been stored safely and unused for at least 50 years.I am sure that in it's early years it was well used. seems to be all original. I would apriciate anny info you could give me. Info ass follows. mod 94 30/30 sn# 111746 spring loaded Marbles peep on tang crescent butt plate .This rifle works perfectly and is a nice unaltered piece of American history. Thanks. hunt mann
Hello Charles,
Winchester Model 1894 serial number 111746 was manufactured in April of the year 1901.
Based on the fact that it has a crescent butt plate, it appears to be a Sporting Rifle. If you can post pictures of your Winchester, I can provide you with a better overall evaluation of the gun.
Marbles sights were real common on the turn-of-the-century Model 1894s.
If you are interested, the Cody Firearms Museum research department can provide you with a Factory letter ($60) which will give you the exact date that it was received in the warehouse, the original configuration, and the date that it was sold (shipped) - http://www.bbhc.org/firearms/records.cfm |
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hunt mann
New Member
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Posted - 12/20/2008 : 11:56:32 AM
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| Thanks Bert.I will try to post some pics latter today. thanks again Chuck |
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hunt mann
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Posted - 12/20/2008 : 6:12:31 PM
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Bert here are the pics I told you that I would send of my 94. This rifle has never been polished or buffed out. Only lightly wiped down. I forgot to mention the rear barrel sight is missing. Was the tang peep sight generally factory installed or after market? If so is that why there is no rear barrel sight or is it just missing. Although I do not intend on selling I would still like to know the value of this rifle for insurance purposes. Thanks appreciate the info
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Bert H.
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Posted - 12/20/2008 : 8:43:58 PM
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Hello Chuck,
I am sorry to have to tell you this, but your old Winchester is a long way from being original. It is what some collectors refer to as a "frankenstein" Winchester.
Specifically;
1. The barrel is much newer than the receiver. As I previously mentioned, the serial number tells us that the receiver was manufactured in April of 1901. The barrel was manufactured sometime after early 1950 (the rolled marked/stamped information on the barrel is the identifying clue). Winchester did not change the caliber stamp from "30 W.C.F." to "30-30 WIN" until 1950.
2. The front barrel band (flat-band) was only used in the years 1946 - 1948.
3. The butt stock is not original to the gun and is the style used on the Sporting Rifle versus a Saddle Ring Carbine (which is what this gun originally was). Note how poorly it fits at the receiver, and that the wood is noticeably undersized to the steel.
4. Somebody ground off the saddle ring stud (the large round flat spot on the left rear side of the receiver frame), and damaged the other screw just below it.
5. The original barrel mounted rear sight is missing, and the Marbles tang sight is most likely not original either. If you dismount the tang sight, you will find that the upper tang is marked
MODEL 1894
-WINCHESTER-
PAT.AUG.21.1894
So to summarize this for you, what you have is Model 1894 SRC that was pieced together using Model 94 parts with different production dates, and it has been subjected to a grinder or file. It now has essentially zero collector value, and is now purely a "shooter". As such, I highly encourage you to take it out and use it as such. Sorry the news turned out on the grim side. |
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hunt mann
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Posted - 12/20/2008 : 9:15:22 PM
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| Ouucchh. that stings. but the truth often hurts.this is why i asked you .the person that had this gun for many years has passed and i wish i could have gotten this info from him.Obviously the info that i had gotten was tainted .but not intentionally . thanks for this painful bit of truth. it still will have sentimental value to me. Chuck. |
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Bert H.
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Posted - 12/20/2008 : 10:29:22 PM
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Originally posted by hunt mann
Ouucchh. that stings. but the truth often hurts.this is why i asked you .the person that had this gun for many years has passed and i wish i could have gotten this info from him.Obviously the info that i had gotten was tainted .but not intentionally . thanks for this painful bit of truth. it still will have sentimental value to me. Chuck.
I was sure that it would not exactly be pleasant news for you, but I strongly believe in being upfront and frank with everyone when I post a reply to a question. Treasure the gun for what it is... a piece of family history. Again, take it out and shoot it on a regular basis... if you hunt, take it with you on a few trips. |
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hunt mann
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Posted - 12/21/2008 : 11:34:51 AM
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| Thanks Burt.I will do that. |
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4rugers
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Posted - 12/23/2008 : 6:24:37 PM
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Hi Bert:
A book called The Winchester Model 94 The First 100 Years by Robert C Renneberg is the best resource I've ever used. John C.
page 95-99 reference different butt plates.
page 124-142 reference barrel markings
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Originally posted by Bert H.
Hello all.
I am attempting to research all of the pre WW II production through post WW II era production Model 94s, Model 55s, and Model 64s that I can locate. For those of you who are interested and would like to participate in a survey concerning several different production changes made to the Models 94, 55, and 64, please either post your information here, or send it directly to me at Win1885@msn.com.
Specifically, I am trying to determine the approximate serial number transition point for...
(1) "30 W.C.F." versus "30-30 WIN" marked barrels,
(2) "32 W.S." versus "32 WIN. SPL."
(3) The transition point from the traditional curved steel carbine butt plate, to the steel shotgun style with the horizontal cut lines (serrated), and again the later transition to the flat checkered steel plates.
Used only on the Model 94...
Used on both the Model 94 and 55...
Used only on the Model 94...
Used almost exclusively on the Model 64...
(4) Those guns that were factory drilled & tapped for a receiver mounted peep sight (Lyman or Redfield).
(5) The transition from the milled front barrel band to the flat-band
Milled...
Flat...
And finally, to determine the serial number transition points for the Models 55 and 64.
If you own (or know of) a Model 94, 55, or 64 in the 1,000,000 - 2,700,000 serial range, please take a close look at it, and then either post, or send the information directly to me. Your name and information will remain anonymous if you email the information to me. I will post updated results in this Sticky topic as the survey progresses.
Thanks in advance to all who respond & participate.
Bert H.
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Bert H.
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Posted - 12/23/2008 : 8:36:59 PM
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Originally posted by 4rugers
Hi Bert:
A book called The Winchester Model 94 The First 100 Years by Robert C Renneberg is the best resource I've ever used. John C.
page 95-99 reference different butt plates.
page 124-142 reference barrel markings
I am intimately familar with the book that you refer to, and Bob Renneberg and I are well acquainted with one another. Bob is currently working on a new revision to the book you mention, and the results of my survey are being used to make some of the revisions. |
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Bert H.
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Posted - 12/26/2008 : 12:03:30 AM
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Originally posted by fredsherq
I have a Model 94 with the serial#64873.
Two pictures here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33713501@N06/sets/72157611589441611/
3rd and 4th photo in that set.
I can supply more photos if you need them
Hello Fred,
It appears that you have a Model 1894 "Extra Lightweight" Sporting Rifle. The serial number tells us that it was manufactured mid year 1899.
Your Model 1894 has much too early of a production date for what I am specifically seaking, but thank you very much for your post about it. |
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umoxford
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Posted - 12/27/2008 : 6:44:38 PM
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| I have a Model 94, serial # 1506972, steel fully checkered butt plate and marked Model 94-30 WCF. The end piece you referred to does not appear to be stamped. I can't tell for certain. Hope that helps. |
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Bert H.
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Posted - 12/27/2008 : 8:05:28 PM
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Originally posted by umoxford
I have a Model 94, serial # 1506972, steel fully checkered butt plate and marked Model 94-30 WCF. The end piece you referred to does not appear to be stamped. I can't tell for certain. Hope that helps.
Hello umoxford,
Thank you very much for posting the information on your 1948 vintage Model 94 Carbine. The front barrel band on your Carbine should be the "flat-band" variety, as it is in the correct serial number range (please refer to the first post in this topic, as there are pictures showing each type of barrel band). |
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CHGOTHNDER
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Posted - 12/29/2008 : 12:19:31 PM
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| Hey Bert, are you going to or have you already done the 1873's? |
  
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Bert H.
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Posted - 12/29/2008 : 5:20:45 PM
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Originally posted by CHGOTHNDER
Hey Bert, are you going to or have you already done the 1873's?
My answer is No, and No.
My primary interest is in the John M. Browning designed Winchesters, and the Model 1873 does not fit the bill. Fortunately for you and many other interested collectors, nearly all of the original Model 1873 records have survived, and as such, they can be researched. It will be a very time consuming task though, as the original factory ledgers cover a 51-year production period, and contain records for more than 720,000 guns. To give you an idea of the effort it will take, it took three people more than 4-years to examine the 353,999 serial number records for the Model 1894. |
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buckhunter1948
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Posted - 01/01/2009 : 1:58:16 PM
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| I have a 94 .32 W.S. sn#960990 It had a saddle ring and elevater rear sight but my uncle sawed off the ring and we replaced the sights with Lyman. What year was it made? Thanks Dan |
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Bert H.
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Posted - 01/01/2009 : 5:27:49 PM
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Originally posted by buckhunter1948
I have a 94 .32 W.S. sn#960990 It had a saddle ring and elevater rear sight but my uncle sawed off the ring and we replaced the sights with Lyman. What year was it made? Thanks Dan
Hello Dane,
Your Model 94 SRC was made in the latter half of the year 1923. |
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buckhunter1948
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Posted - 01/02/2009 : 8:57:25 PM
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| Thanks Bert, Is the saddle ring screwed into the receiver? Dan |
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Bert H.
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Posted - 01/02/2009 : 9:13:32 PM
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Thanks Bert, Is the saddle ring screwed into the receiver? Dan
Hello Dan,
The saddle ring stud is screwed into the receiver. |
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skyhigh_seller
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Posted - 01/11/2009 : 5:39:30 PM
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Bert,
I have 1 for your survey. I have no expertise w/ these guns. I got it in a trade and will be putting it on GB for auction sometime soon.
1144226
Barrel is marked a bit different than you show:
-WINCHESTER-MODEL94-WINCHESTER-32-W.S.-
PROOF STEEL -TRADE MARK-
Serrated butt plate
NO drill and tap
Milled band
Problems formatting stamp, proof steel centered under WINCHESTER, trademark hyphens are extra long and trade mark is centered under WINCHESTER.
And 1 question. There is a 3 stamped just in front of the trigger. Does that mean anything?
Thanks for your hard work,
DL |
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Bert H.
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Posted - 01/11/2009 : 7:31:13 PM
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Hello DL, and thank you for the information.
The "3" stamped just in front of the trigger is an inspector or assembler's stamp.
I am aware that there are several minor iterations of the roll stamp used by Winchester. I have the first type and the third type. The stamp on your Model 94 is apparently the second type. Can you provide me with a clear picture of the barrel stamp? If so, please send it to me at Win1885@msn.com
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boomac
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Posted - 01/14/2009 : 01:41:14 AM
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| e-mail sent Bert |
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GUTSS
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Posted - 01/23/2009 : 12:25:36 AM
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Hi Bert, I've got a Model 64 that I think was make in 1937. This is the rifle that I shoot in all of the Lever Action Matches at our gun club. The buttplate is correct. It has a Redfield marked flat plug where the buckhorn sight would have went.
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Bert H.
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Posted - 01/23/2009 : 12:44:55 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by GUTSS
Hi Bert, I've got a Model 64 that I think was make in 1937. This is the rifle that I shoot in all of the Lever Action Matches at our gun club. The buttplate is correct. It has a Redfield marked flat plug where the buckhorn sight would have went.
Thank you very much for posting the pictures. What caliber is your Model 64 Rifle?
You are correct about the year of manufacture. Based on the serial number, it was manufactured in March/April of 1937. The Redfield sight and dovetail filler was a factory optional sight. |
Bert H. - http://www.bbhc.org/firearms/records.cfm
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GUTSS
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Posted - 01/23/2009 : 01:03:18 AM
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| Sorry about that, it says .30 WCF |
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Bacon51
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Posted - 01/28/2009 : 7:23:05 PM
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Hello Bert,
I have a well worn Model 94 with serial #1284440. It is marked 30W.C.F. and there is no "W" between the serial # and lever.
No receiver sight holes. It has a serrated steel butt plate and milled front barrel band. The rear sight elevator is like toadtown's, no checkered part extending out the rear. I believe it was manufactured during the mid-1940's.
Regards,
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Edited by - Bacon51 on 01/28/2009 9:14:17 PM |
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Bert H.
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Posted - 01/28/2009 : 11:07:01 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Bacon51
Hello Bert,
I have a well worn Model 94 with serial #1284440. It is marked 30W.C.F. and there is no "W" between the serial # and lever.
No receiver sight holes. It has a serrated steel butt plate and milled front barrel band. The rear sight elevator is like toadtown's, no checkered part extending out the rear. I believe it was manufactured during the mid-1940's.
Regards,
Steve
Hello Steve,
Your Model 94 was actually manufactured in early 1941 making it a pre-war gun. It is a bit too late to have the "W" stamp, but I suspect that the leading "1" digit actually looks more like an "L". |
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Model 94, 55, & 64 Survey Request update
