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adkjaq
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Posted - 01/06/2010 :  9:22:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Another 30 WCF, SRC 1013904

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Bert H.
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Posted - 01/07/2010 :  01:30:13 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by adkjaq

Another 30 WCF, SRC 1013904



Hello, and thanks for the information. The serial number indicates that it was manufactured in January of 1928.

I assume that it has the standard style carbine butt plate, but which type of upper tang stamp does it have? It could be either a Type-5 or a Type-6.

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middlefork
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Posted - 01/11/2010 :  01:48:52 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Bert.

Model 94
#1491059
25-35 W.C.F.
Not martial marked
Flat Band
standard sights
recvr not drilled/tapped
flat checked buttplate
blank top tang, single screw
straight cut serrated hammer
have not checked date on bottom of barrel

I am interesting in knowing if the factory changed bluing solution or application methods pre-War, during or post War. I ask this because there seems to be nice blue retention on pre War band/magazine tubes while the flat band period seem to have more brown/plum flat bands/magazine tubes.
Thanks for all your work and information here.
Lee
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Bert H.
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Posted - 01/11/2010 :  10:41:06 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by middlefork

Hi Bert.

Model 94
#1491059
25-35 W.C.F.
Not martial marked
Flat Band
standard sights
recvr not drilled/tapped
flat checked buttplate
blank top tang, single screw
straight cut serrated hammer
have not checked date on bottom of barrel

I am interesting in knowing if the factory changed bluing solution or application methods pre-War, during or post War. I ask this because there seems to be nice blue retention on pre War band/magazine tubes while the flat band period seem to have more brown/plum flat bands/magazine tubes.
Thanks for all your work and information here.
Lee



Hello Lee,

Serial number 1491059 was manufactured in the Spring of 1948. It should have a "48" marked barrel.

Winchester changed the bluing formula circa 1939.

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Mahely4.5
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Posted - 01/11/2010 :  11:09:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I went to see a 94 today at a pawn shop. The owner said it is a pre WW2, but after researching the serial number turns out to be 1942.

Serial number 1207204
Carbine
Milled Band
Type 6 tang stamp, two screws
.32 Win Special
No saddle ring
Can't say about proof marks,

Question. Are tang marks not indicative of older models than 1942?
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Bert H.
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Posted - 01/12/2010 :  12:32:59 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mahely4.5

I went to see a 94 today at a pawn shop. The owner said it is a pre WW2, but after researching the serial number turns out to be 1942.

Serial number 1207204
Carbine
Milled Band
Type 6 tang stamp, two screws
.32 Win Special
No saddle ring
Can't say about proof marks,

Question. Are tang marks not indicative of older models than 1942?




The owner is correct... serial number 1207204 is indeed a Pre-War manufactured gun... April 1939 to be exact. This is another case where Madis' serial number listing is out-to-lunch.

Thanks for posting the information.

Edit: In reviewing my data, that Carbine should have a Type-7 upper tang stamp (the one without the dashes), and it quite possibly has a "W" below the serial number... can you please confirm both for me?

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Mahely4.5
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Posted - 01/13/2010 :  10:14:02 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello again. I will check that out tomorrow if it is still there. Big question though. If I end up buying the gun, I would love to know where to confirm the data that says it is indeed a pre-war model? Upon resale (if ever) people will probably go to the blue book of gun values and the serial number will still say 1942! I would need some better source. Owner also claims the barrel has the manufacture date and it states 1939 on it (although it requires dissassembly and I did not make him do it).

Thanks again
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Posted - 01/13/2010 :  11:22:02 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In the not so distant future, I will publish a new (corrected) Winchester serialization book. Hopefully, other sources (like the Blue Book) will correct the information they have falsely published at that time. In the mean time, you can always refer someone to this forum (or to me), and I will confirm the DOM.

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Mahely4.5
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Posted - 01/14/2010 :  11:00:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I went back today and checked it out. Yes, indeed, type 7 tang inscription (without the lines) and also a W underneath the serial number.
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Bert H.
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Posted - 01/15/2010 :  12:16:44 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mahely4.5

I went back today and checked it out. Yes, indeed, type 7 tang inscription (without the lines) and also a W underneath the serial number.



Just as I suspected... thanks for the follow-up information.

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chw
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Posted - 01/23/2010 :  8:14:35 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I sent info earlier on a 1946 ser. no. 94. I thought I would include an earlier one just for info. ser. no. 910800 saddle ring carbine with ladder sight and lyman tang sight 30wfc. 90 plus percent no marks on wood bluing wear on reciver almost plumb color now.
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Posted - 01/23/2010 :  8:22:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by chw

I sent info earlier on a 1946 ser. no. 94. I thought I would include an earlier one just for info. ser. no. 910800 saddle ring carbine with ladder sight and lyman tang sight 30wfc. 90 plus percent no marks on wood bluing wear on reciver almost plumb color now.



It is an August 1920 vintage SRC. The tang sight was most likely added after the fact, but that does not hurt anything. It sounds like a good one.

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yellowdog52
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Posted - 01/29/2010 :  7:54:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
OK here goes

1. 537095
2. 30 W.C.F no model 94 preceeding it
3. concave steel
4. type 5 but no &FGN after
5. not drilled and tapped
6. not martially marked
7. nickle steel barrel
8. no saddle ring

1. 1388364
2.model 94 - 30 W.C.F. -
3. checkered steel
4. blank tang
5. not drilled for peep
6. not martially marked
7. proof steel
8. no saddle ring
9. no W
11. flat band

1. 1142465
2. model 94 - winchester trademark - 30 W.C.F. -
3. serrated steel
4. type 6
5. not drilled for peep
6. not martially marked
7. proof steel
8. no saddle ring

1. 1107790
2. winchester trademark - 30 W.C.F. -
3. carbine steel
4. type 6
5. not drilled for peep
6. not martially marked
7. proof steel
8. no saddle ring

1. 2469226
2. winchester trademark - model - 94 - 32 win spl -
3. checkered steel
4. blank tang
5. drilled and tapped for peep
6. not martially marked
7. proof steel
8. no saddle ring

Very interesting stuff. Please comment on anything of note with these guns.
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Bert H.
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Posted - 01/29/2010 :  11:41:05 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Please see my comments in blue, and thank you very much for posting the information

quote:
Originally posted by yellowdog52

OK here goes

1. 537095 (manufactured January 1912)
2. 30 W.C.F no model 94 preceeding it
3. concave steel (most likely it is a crescent "rifle" butt)
4. type 5 but no &FGN after (it is a Type-3 upper tang marking)
5. not drilled and tapped
6. not martially marked
7. nickle steel barrel
8. no saddle ring (because it most likely is a Sporting Rifle versus a Carbine)


1. 1388364 (manufactured in the second half of the year 1946)
2.model 94 - 30 W.C.F. -
3. checkered steel
4. blank tang
5. not drilled for peep
6. not martially marked
7. proof steel
8. no saddle ring
9. no W
11. flat band
Completely standard for its vintage


1. 1142465 (manufactured in September of 1937)
2. model 94 - winchester trademark - 30 W.C.F. -
3. serrated steel
4. type 6
5. not drilled for peep
6. not martially marked
7. proof steel
8. no saddle ring
Completely standard for its vintage


1. 1107790 (manufactured in May of 1936)
2. winchester trademark - 30 W.C.F. -
3. carbine steel
4. type 6
5. not drilled for peep
6. not martially marked
7. proof steel
8. no saddle ring
Completely standard for its vintage


1. 2469226 [blue](manufactured in early 1961)

2. winchester trademark - model - 94 - 32 win spl -
3. checkered steel
4. blank tang
5. drilled and tapped for peep
6. not martially marked
7. proof steel
8. no saddle ring
Completely standard for its vintage[/blue]

Very interesting stuff. Please comment on anything of note with these guns.



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Edited by - Bert H. on 01/29/2010 11:56:30 PM
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heywood
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Posted - 02/06/2010 :  4:40:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
hi bert i have a mod94 win in 32 special ser#2353690..it is drilled for a peep sight it had a recoil pad on that i removed hope to find the correct metal butt plate at agun show,it has md stamped in front of the trigger .32 win spl on the barrel winchester proof steel also ..thanx for a very interesting site
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quote:
Originally posted by heywood

hi bert i have a mod94 win in 32 special ser#2353690..it is drilled for a peep sight it had a recoil pad on that i removed hope to find the correct metal butt plate at agun show,it has md stamped in front of the trigger .32 win spl on the barrel winchester proof steel also ..thanx for a very interesting site



Thank you for posting the information on your mid-year 1959 vintage Model 94, and good luck in finding a replacement butt plate for it.

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Rex Mahan
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Posted - 02/08/2010 :  4:24:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have a plate
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heywood
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Posted - 02/08/2010 :  6:00:41 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
would you like to sell it
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Bert H.
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Posted - 02/08/2010 :  8:58:34 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by heywood

would you like to sell it



Please take this off the forum... offers to sell or buy are verbotin on the forums.

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kylew
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Posted - 02/10/2010 :  8:10:23 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bert, Have one more. Ser# 2034413, -MODEL-94-30-30-WIN, Proof steel, checkered butt plate, receiver drilled for peep site, No tang marking, Milled bands, short forearm, hooded front site, std 20" carbine, full length tube, finish 85% some pitting, bore good. Have a good day. Kyle
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Bert H.
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Posted - 02/11/2010 :  8:54:55 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kylew

Bert, Have one more. Ser# 2034413, -MODEL-94-30-30-WIN, Proof steel, checkered butt plate, receiver drilled for peep site, No tang marking, Milled bands, short forearm, hooded front site, std 20" carbine, full length tube, finish 85% some pitting, bore good. Have a good day. Kyle



Hello Kyle,

It is a standard Carbine, and it was manufactured late in the year 1953.

Thank you very much for posting the information.

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kylew
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Posted - 02/11/2010 :  9:11:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bert, An unusual one Ser.# 457660, take down rifle, 30 W.C.F., nickel steel, 19" oct barrel,type 3 tang markings, crescent butt stock, deluxe wood, good bore and tight action, a short barrel but I think it was special ordered this way, no evidence of any changes except one tragic one. It was re blued some time ago as the hammer, trigger, and lever are also blue instead of case color. Keep up the good work. Kyle
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kylew
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Posted - 02/11/2010 :  9:33:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bert, PS I am trying to get a hold of a few more. Will keep you in the loop. Kyle
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Posted - 02/11/2010 :  10:02:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello Kyle,

Serial 457660 went through the Polishing Room very late in the month of May, 1910.

I personally would be very suspicious of a 19-inch octagon barrel.

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kylew
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Posted - 02/11/2010 :  10:23:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bert, You may be correct about the 19" barrel. I did compare it to another take down and the two dove tails are the correct distance from the muzzle. It would have to been cut off more than 4" to remove the old dove tails. Anyway I did not pay big bucks for it because of the refinish. Either way it's a neat gun and I liked it. I'm still learning. Thanks for your input. Kyle
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Bert H.
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Posted - 02/12/2010 :  01:25:17 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kylew

Bert, You may be correct about the 19" barrel. I did compare it to another take down and the two dove tails are the correct distance from the muzzle. It would have to been cut off more than 4" to remove the old dove tails. Anyway I did not pay big bucks for it because of the refinish. Either way it's a neat gun and I liked it. I'm still learning. Thanks for your input. Kyle



You are very welcome.

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zagman_420
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Posted - 02/15/2010 :  05:52:20 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I dont know much about these guns but yesterday I picked this one up for $10 figured even if I cant do anything with it so what it was only $10! haha the SN is 1188700 its in pretty bad shape as you can see. Just wondering what year it was made and if it would be worth fixing. thanks for your time.


p.s. im not interested in fixing it up to sell just wondering how much it might cost to make shootable











And yes i got it from a tweeker!!!
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quote:
Originally posted by zagman_420

I dont know much about these guns but yesterday I picked this one up for $10 figured even if I cant do anything with it so what it was only $10! haha the SN is 1188700 its in pretty bad shape as you can see. Just wondering what year it was made and if it would be worth fixing. thanks for your time.


p.s. im not interested in fixing it up to sell just wondering how much it might cost to make shootable

And yes i got it from a tweeker!!!



The serial number tells me that it was made in late August of 1938.

The condition is extremely poor, and I very much doubt that it could ever be resurrected into a "safe" to fire gun again. It is simply a curio now.

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Posted - 02/15/2010 :  2:13:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That's about what I figured. Thanks again
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rec0546
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Posted - 02/15/2010 :  6:51:56 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
survey input ....
mdl 94 s/n: 1595339
caliber marking: 30 W.C.F.
butt plate: flat checkered steel
tang marking: blank
factory drilled for peep sight: no
US martial or PCMR: no
Proof steel marking: yes
saddle ring: no
barrel band: milled

Question: I have a model 12 made in 1940 (serial 824389) that has the "W" stamp below the serial number. Do you think it means the same thing as on the model 94 (factory refinish)?
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quote:
Originally posted by rec0546

survey input ....
mdl 94 s/n: 1595339
caliber marking: 30 W.C.F.
butt plate: flat checkered steel
tang marking: blank
factory drilled for peep sight: no
US martial or PCMR: no
Proof steel marking: yes
saddle ring: no
barrel band: milled

Question: I have a model 12 made in 1940 (serial 824389) that has the "W" stamp below the serial number. Do you think it means the same thing as on the model 94 (factory refinish)?



Your Model 94 is a 1949 (early part of the year) production carbine, and is completely standard for its vintage.

In regards to your question about the "W" on your 1940 vintage Model 12, Yes, the "W" means the same thing. I have seen the same "W" stamp on Model 12s, 97s, 64s, 65s, and 94s, and I am sure there are a few more models that might have it as well.

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Hi everybody My uncle left me his model 64 30wcf. I think its from the mid 1950's. Is there anything I can do about rust and minor pitting? How can I find out if is the deluxe? This rifle means a lot to me and I want to bring it back to it's former glory. Thanks for your help SN 1371217 before i forget on the barrel above the factory mark there is a little "post" with the word "marble" on it. What is this for?

Edited by - ih8chrome on 02/20/2010 11:03:48 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by ih8chrome

Hi everybody My uncle left me his model 64 30wcf. I think its from the mid 1950's. Is there anything I can do about rust and minor pitting? How can I find out if is the deluxe? This rifle means a lot to me and I want to bring it back to it's former glory. Thanks for your help SN 1371217 before i forget on the barrel above the factory mark there is a little "post" with the word "marble" on it. What is this for?



Hello,

The serial number on your Model 64 indicates that it is a 1946 vintage gun. If you can post (or send me) pictures of it, I can very quickly identify which variation it is, and also answer any other questions you may have about it.

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Hi Bert,

I have a Model 94 30 WCF carbine that has the nickle barrel and saddle ring. The serial number is #8998xx. The butt plate is the steel one. Would you tell me when this rifle was built?

Also, the rear site is not original. Do you know of a source that would have the correct site available? The stock is a dark color and it appears that someone tried an amateur job of refinishing. I'm not in the market to sell it, so the stock is not a big deal to me as far as ruining the resale value. I would like to get it back to the original as far as the sight goes though.

Thanks for any info you have.

Tom

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quote:
Originally posted by Tom Lee A

Hi Bert,

I have a Model 94 30 WCF carbine that has the nickle barrel and saddle ring. The serial number is #8998xx. The butt plate is the steel one. Would you tell me when this rifle was built?

Also, the rear site is not original. Do you know of a source that would have the correct site available? The stock is a dark color and it appears that someone tried an amateur job of refinishing. I'm not in the market to sell it, so the stock is not a big deal to me as far as ruining the resale value. I would like to get it back to the original as far as the sight goes though.

Thanks for any info you have.

Tom




Early in the month of May, 1920. The correct sight is the Carbine (ladder style). If you can not find one here on GunBroker, give these guys a call - http://www.tapaderaswinchesters.com/

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zink
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Posted - 03/16/2010 :  9:58:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Got one for ya, Bert,

I know it wasn't sent this way but here she goes;

Ser # 26721 (the 2nd 2 is upside down, same style)
BBL is octogon 21 3/4"
3/4 mag
long rifle type forend w/tip
folding sight with slide bar
no saddle ring
30 WCF, marked on top flat infront of receiver
Only markings under barrel are- .NS. VP (in oval) 94 and a star.
Tang is marked-

Model 1894
-WINCHESTER-
PAT AUG 21, 1894

Lance

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quote:
Originally posted by zink

Got one for ya, Bert,

I know it wasn't sent this way but here she goes;

Ser # 26721 (the 2nd 2 is upside down, same style)
BBL is octogon 21 3/4"
3/4 mag
long rifle type forend w/tip
folding sight with slide bar
no saddle ring
30 WCF, marked on top flat infront of receiver
Only markings under barrel are- .NS. VP (in oval) 94 and a star.
Tang is marked-

Model 1894
-WINCHESTER-
PAT AUG 21, 1894

Lance



Can you send me a picture of the serial number?

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zink
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Posted - 03/18/2010 :  09:56:22 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Bert H.

quote:
Originally posted by zink

Got one for ya, Bert,

I know it wasn't sent this way but here she goes;

Ser # 26721 (the 2nd 2 is upside down, same style)
BBL is octogon 21 3/4"
3/4 mag
long rifle type forend w/tip
folding sight with slide bar
no saddle ring
30 WCF, marked on top flat infront of receiver
Only markings under barrel are- .NS. VP (in oval) 94 and a star.
Tang is marked-

Model 1894
-WINCHESTER-
PAT AUG 21, 1894

Lance



Can you send me a picture of the serial number?



It is at work. I will try to get it to you Saturday.

Lance
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scout32flc
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Posted - 03/19/2010 :  9:10:21 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bert
I sent an email to your MSN account with pics. Are you the one That looked at my gun last night through a collector site
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Bert H.
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Originally posted by scout32flc

Bert
I sent an email to your MSN account with pics. Are you the one That looked at my gun last night through a collector site



Do you own the Model 55 that was your great grandfather's?

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Posted - 03/27/2010 :  12:04:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
1. 1,117,214
2. Mine is stamped from left to right
-"winchester (over) proof steel"- MODEL 94- WINCHESTER (over) -trade mark--30 w.c.f
3. Serrated steel butt plate as seen in your picture
4. Type 7
5. No
6. No
7. Yes "proof steel"
8. No
9-14 N/A
Although there is an "A" stamped on the bottom of the receiver inside the trigger guard/loop just in front of the trigger

Mine also has a milled barrel band as seen in your pictures

Bert Any Idea of date of manuf and approximate value?








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Posted - 03/27/2010 :  1:46:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Odawgp

1. 1,117,214
2. Mine is stamped from left to right
-"winchester (over) proof steel"- MODEL 94- WINCHESTER (over) -trade mark--30 w.c.f
3. Serrated steel butt plate as seen in your picture
4. Type 7
5. No
6. No
7. Yes "proof steel"
8. No
9-14 N/A
Although there is an "A" stamped on the bottom of the receiver inside the trigger guard/loop just in front of the trigger

Mine also has a milled barrel band as seen in your pictures

Bert Any Idea of date of manuf and approximate value?



The date of manufacture is easy... October 1936. You listed it as having a Type-7 upper tang stamp, but that is not possible (based on when it was manufactured). It should have the Type-6 marking (with the dashes preceeding and following the text on the second and third lines).

As for the value, I really need to see the gun (or good quality pictures of it). If possible, please start a new topic on the Experts forum, and post the pictures there. Or, you can send pictures to me directly at Win1885@msn.com


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Edited by - Bert H. on 03/27/2010 1:51:08 PM
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Odawgp
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Posted - 03/27/2010 :  4:52:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Bert H.
It should have the Type-6 marking (with the dashes preceeding and following the text on the second and third lines).





WHEN I GET SOME BETTER PICTURES I WILL START A NEW THREAD

THANKS

CLINT








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Edited by - Odawgp on 03/27/2010 5:25:53 PM
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Posted - 03/27/2010 :  10:01:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
OK, I see what the issus is... you originally listed the serial number as "1117214" when in fact it is "1177214"... that 60,000 difference makes a big difference.

Serial 1177214 was manufactured in May of 1938, and it is correct with the Type-7 tang stamp.

It appears that there is no finish remaining on the receiver frame, but the rest of the gun looks very good.

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Posted - 03/29/2010 :  10:19:07 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bert,

My grandfather passed along this Model 94, .30 W.C.F. and I figured I would see what info I could find out about it.

1. 205357
2. .30 W.C.F.
3 Carbine Butt Plate
4. Based on the pictures I think it's a Type 5

Not sure about the rest except that there is no saddle ring. Thanks
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Posted - 03/30/2010 :  12:49:03 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by foooootz

Bert,

My grandfather passed along this Model 94, .30 W.C.F. and I figured I would see what info I could find out about it.

1. 205357
2. .30 W.C.F.
3 Carbine Butt Plate
4. Based on the pictures I think it's a Type 5

Not sure about the rest except that there is no saddle ring. Thanks



Something is not correct... serial number 205357 was manufactured very early in the year 1904, and as such, it should have a Type-1A tang stamp. It should also be a saddle ring carbine. Can you post a few pictures of it?

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OK, I mistakenly assumed that you had a Carbine... instead, it is a Sporting Rifle. A few questions for you;

1. What is the barrel length? (standard was 26")
2. Can you post a picture of the rear sight?

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Posted - 04/13/2010 :  3:25:17 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
See you've been on this interesting project awhile.Don't know if you need more data, but here's a Mod 64 for your list.

1554358
-MODEL 64-32W.S.-
Butt: Checkered steel(widows peak same as 70 and 71)
Blank tang
factory drilled-yes
N/A No martial or PCMR marking
-WINCHESTER PROOF STEEL-
N/A No ring
band N/A
Deer Rifle w/checker, detach swivels etc
DV stamp just forward of trigger
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Posted - 04/13/2010 :  10:58:20 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by drl50

See you've been on this interesting project awhile.Don't know if you need more data, but here's a Mod 64 for your list.

1554358
-MODEL 64-32W.S.-
Butt: Checkered steel(widows peak same as 70 and 71)
Blank tang
factory drilled-yes
N/A No martial or PCMR marking
-WINCHESTER PROOF STEEL-
N/A No ring
band N/A
Deer Rifle w/checker, detach swivels etc
DV stamp just forward of trigger




Hello drl50,

Yes, it is an interesting project, and YES, I still very much need more data.

Based on the information that I have compiled thus far, this is what I can tell you about your Model 64;

(1) It was manufactured very late in the year 1948 (most likely in November). It will have a "48" date marked on the bottom of the barrel (under the forend stock).

(2) It is the 354th Model 64 I have surveyed thus far, and the 80th one that is a Deer Rifle.

(3) It is the 90th Model 64 in caliber 32 W.S. that I have surveyed (slightly more than 25% were made in this caliber).

If you (or anyone else) has additional questions or information they would like to contribute, please let me know.

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