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steamburner
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Posted - 08/23/2010 :  9:52:20 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bert,
I have been reading some of these post dating back a few years. If you are still researching, I have a S/N 1336130 handed down to me from my Dad. It is marked Model 94-30 W.C.F.- Serrated butt plate,Tang #7, Milled band,let me know if you want pictures. What year? and why are some people afraid to post S/n?
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kylew
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Posted - 08/24/2010 :  12:15:22 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Was made in 1945. Bert will give you the exact date. He will ask additional questions. Cool gun
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Bert H.
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Posted - 08/24/2010 :  02:08:48 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by steamburner

Bert,
I have been reading some of these post dating back a few years. If you are still researching, I have a S/N 1336130 handed down to me from my Dad. It is marked Model 94-30 W.C.F.- Serrated butt plate,Tang #7, Milled band,let me know if you want pictures. What year? and why are some people afraid to post S/n?



Hello,

Yes, I am still researching, and thank you very much for sharing the information on your Model 94 Carbine.

Serial number 1336130 was manufactured on June 3rd, 1942.

Most of the Model 94s that I have surveyed in that serial number range are PCMR (Pacific Coast Militia Ranger) Carbines. By chance does your Carbine have a broad arrow marking on the left front side of the receiver frame?

In regards to your question about why some people are afraid to post a serial number, it is my opinion that they suffer from ignorant paranioa.


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kylew
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Posted - 08/24/2010 :  11:49:56 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
steamburner, you can always trust Bert. I knew as soon as I posted I was wrong and 42 was the correct year. Are you looking to sell or just after info. I assume it's a carbine or is it perhaps a rifle?
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steamburner
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Posted - 08/24/2010 :  12:15:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kylew

steamburner, you can always trust Bert. I knew as soon as I posted I was wrong and 42 was the correct year. Are you looking to sell or just after info. I assume it's a carbine or is it perhaps a rifle?



Good question Kyle, it's a lever action,looks like a rifle, what makes it a carbine? I have to visit the local gun shop first to have the scope removed and hopefully restore the value that Bert indicated the scope removed. Yes I think I will sell it. The wife hates guns in the house and my hunting days are past. Thanks, Ken
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kylew
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Posted - 08/24/2010 :  12:38:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Steamburner, I need to read more carefully, You mention that it had milled bands. That makes it a carbine. A rifle would have the mag tube attached by a dovetail on the bottom of the barrel at the end of the tube. A rifle would also most likely have a 26" barrel. The carbine has the band that goes clear around the barrel. If you decide to sell it let me know when it goes up on the GB site. I may be interested depending on the condition etc. Kyle
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steamburner
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Posted - 08/24/2010 :  3:17:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bert, Thank you for dating my gun, there is no PCM arrow on the side, does that mean it is not from the Pacific Coast Militia Reserve? Thanks again. Ken
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Bert H.
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Posted - 08/24/2010 :  3:44:03 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by steamburner

Bert, Thank you for dating my gun, there is no PCM arrow on the side, does that mean it is not from the Pacific Coast Militia Reserve? Thanks again. Ken



Ken,

You are quite welcome.

By the year 1938, all Winchester Model 94s were Carbines (the Sporting Rifle was discontinued in December of 1937).

If your Carbine does dot have a broad arrow stamp on the left side of the receiver and butt stock, it is a not a PCMR gun.

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croweman0829
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Posted - 08/25/2010 :  8:00:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
hey there bert i sent you an email to win1885 with those pics of my 94 carbine half mag.
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Bert H.
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Posted - 08/25/2010 :  10:32:07 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by croweman0829

hey there bert i sent you an email to win1885 with those pics of my 94 carbine half mag.



I received them and replied to you.

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ca9430
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Posted - 08/30/2010 :  7:00:38 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello Bert I sent email on survey yesterday i have no idea if you got it so i will do it again. 1st model 94
1.sn. 81862
2. 30 W.C.F.
3. crescent
4.#5
5. no
7. nickel steel
8. no
2nd model 94
1.sn. 1610656
2.MODEL 94-30 W.C.F-
3.flat checkered steel
4.blank
5.no
6.no
7.WINCHESTER PROOF STEEL
8.no saddle ring
11.milled barrle band
I hope this helps. Have any questions let me know. I would apreciate any info. on them thanks
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Bert H.
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Posted - 08/30/2010 :  10:21:21 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ca9430

Hello Bert I sent email on survey yesterday i have no idea if you got it so i will do it again. 1st model 94
1.sn. 81862
2. 30 W.C.F.
3. crescent
4.#5
5. no
7. nickel steel
8. no
2nd model 94
1.sn. 1610656
2.MODEL 94-30 W.C.F-
3.flat checkered steel
4.blank
5.no
6.no
7.WINCHESTER PROOF STEEL
8.no saddle ring
11.milled barrle band
I hope this helps. Have any questions let me know. I would apreciate any info. on them thanks



Chris,

I did receive it, but was a little too busy to reply right away. I did send you a reply about an hour ago.

Thanks for posting

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jdsteel82
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Posted - 09/02/2010 :  06:07:02 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Bert,
I have a 94 Octagonal barrel 30WCF
SN: 64916

Would love to post pics, but It looks like unspeakable deeds were done to it in the 70's... like somebody put it in a vise and sanded it.

Will post pics if requested, but please don't hurt me. I just did as the owner asked, as it was rusting away.
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Bert H.
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Posted - 09/02/2010 :  10:02:54 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jdsteel82

Hi Bert,
I have a 94 Octagonal barrel 30WCF
SN: 64916

Would love to post pics, but It looks like unspeakable deeds were done to it in the 70's... like somebody put it in a vise and sanded it.

Will post pics if requested, but please don't hurt me. I just did as the owner asked, as it was rusting away.



Hello JD,

No need for pictures, and it is what it is now... a "shooter". The serial number places the DOM in July of 1899.

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HappyNanoq
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Posted - 09/07/2010 :  9:51:03 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Got a Winchester 94AE, .357Mag on hand

Serial# 6487150

When would that be from, and are parts still available.?
It has a bad part, which sometimes lets out a cartridge from the magazine - under the "flip-up"lever-thingy /cartridge-lifter-thingy.


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Bert H.
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Posted - 09/08/2010 :  01:12:09 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HappyNanoq

Got a Winchester 94AE, .357Mag on hand

Serial# 6487150

When would that be from, and are parts still available.?
It has a bad part, which sometimes lets out a cartridge from the magazine - under the "flip-up"lever-thingy /cartridge-lifter-thingy.




This should help you...

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kenjoe45
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Posted - 09/08/2010 :  12:30:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
1846187 30-30 win checkered not tapped
2140421 same same tapped
2343937 same same same
1295951 30 wcf serrated not tapped type 7 tang
1465531 same checkered same
1153141 same serrated same type 6 tang
1174741 same same same typr 7 tang
1555552 same checkered same
1569287 same same same
1654760 same same same
2462916 30-30 win same tapped
1986519 same same same
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kenjoe45
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Posted - 09/08/2010 :  12:31:17 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
one more

2050712 30-30 win checkered tapped
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Bert H.
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Posted - 09/09/2010 :  01:04:20 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello kenjoe,

First, thank you very much for your post and sharing the information.

The DOM information for your Model 94s is as follows;

1. 1153141 - November 11th, 1937.
2. 1174741 - May 4th, 1938.
3. 1295951 - September 11th, 1941. Does the leading "1" look like an "L"?

The following are estimated dates only...

4. 1465531 - Late 1947. This should be a Flat-band Carbine.
5. 1555552 - Very late 1948.
6. 1569287 - Early 1949.
7. 1654760 - Very late 1949.
8. 1846187 - Late 1951.
9. 1986519 - Mid-year 1953.
10. 2050712 - Very early 1954.
11. 2140421 - Mid-year 1955.
12. 2343937 - Early 1959.
13. 2462916 - Early 1961.

If you have any questions, please let me know.

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Edited by - Bert H. on 09/27/2010 10:43:23 PM
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bkalex
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Posted - 09/10/2010 :  6:33:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey Bert. I have a Model 94:

1. SN- 1342175
2. Serrated butt plate
3. Type 7 tang stamp
4. Not drilled and tapped
5. Milled band
6. Cal. stamped 30 W.C.F.
7. Proof steel

Hope this helps.
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Bert H.
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Posted - 09/11/2010 :  12:19:54 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bkalex

Hey Bert. I have a Model 94:

1. SN- 1342175
2. Serrated butt plate
3. Type 7 tang stamp
4. Not drilled and tapped
5. Milled band
6. Cal. stamped 30 W.C.F.
7. Proof steel

Hope this helps.



Thanks for posting!

Your Model 94 was serialized in July of 1942, and it is standard in all respects.

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bkalex
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Posted - 09/11/2010 :  10:33:28 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Bert!
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kenjoe45
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Posted - 09/15/2010 :  01:20:06 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the dates. regarding the 1295951 number, yes the leading "1" does look like an L, what does this mean?
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Posted - 09/15/2010 :  2:44:28 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kenjoe45

Thanks for the dates. regarding the 1295951 number, yes the leading "1" does look like an L, what does this mean?



It has no specific meaning. It was simply just a different style number die.

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kenjoe45
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Posted - 09/16/2010 :  1:57:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks again. I have noticed on my Model 94,s, seven of them have the forearm about one inch longer than the other six. Any meaning to this.
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Posted - 09/16/2010 :  2:33:21 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kenjoe45

Thanks again. I have noticed on my Model 94,s, seven of them have the forearm about one inch longer than the other six. Any meaning to this.



No, there is no special meaning. Winchester simply changed the length of the forend stock on the Carbines at or very near serial number 1750600 in late 1950.

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JROB9mm
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Posted - 09/21/2010 :  10:02:00 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Good Morning all.

I have a model 94 30-30 serial # 148#### it does have the flat band and checkered plate. I tryed to look up the date and but cant find any formation. I also have model 70 serial # 804###(243) which I'm also looking for some info on as to feather weight or sporter or any info.

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Posted - 09/21/2010 :  2:40:35 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JROB9mm

Good Morning all.

I have a model 94 30-30 serial # 148#### it does have the flat band and checkered plate. I tryed to look up the date and but cant find any formation. I also have model 70 serial # 804###(243) which I'm also looking for some info on as to feather weight or sporter or any info.

Thanks in advance.



In order to provide accurate answers, I require complete serial numbers... no "###" or "xxx". If you are not comfortable posting the complete number, you can send them to me at Win1885@msn.com or via a PM on this forum.

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oakridge
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Posted - 10/04/2010 :  3:02:32 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bert H.,
I have a Win. Mod. 94 SRC
32 W.S.
Ser. No. 1,062,304
20" RBFM
Saddle Ring
Carbine butt
Type 6 tang marking
Nickel Steel barrel marking

I can give you minimal information on 3 other guns that fall in the serial range you are researching. I couldn't provide more info because I no longer own them.
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Posted - 10/04/2010 :  5:40:03 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by oakridge

Bert H.,
I have a Win. Mod. 94 SRC
32 W.S.
Ser. No. 1,062,304
20" RBFM
Saddle Ring
Carbine butt
Type 6 tang marking
Nickel Steel barrel marking

I can give you minimal information on 3 other guns that fall in the serial range you are researching. I couldn't provide more info because I no longer own them.



Your Model 94 SRC is completely normal, and was serialized on March 5th, 1930.

Please provide any information you can.

Thanks.

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oakridge
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Posted - 10/05/2010 :  5:53:05 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bert H.,

This is the only info I have on these:

Win. Mod. 94 Carbine
Ser. No. 1,111,937
Cal. .30 W.C.F.
20" RBFM
This is a standard carbine made
WITHOUT saddle ring.

Win. Mod. 55 Rifle
Ser. No. 8504
Cal. .25-35 W.C.F.
24"RB Half Magazine
Shotgun butt
Takedown
Lyman front "Jacksight"
Lyman folding leaf rear sight
Lyman #38 receiver sight
Sling swivels

Win. Mod. 64 Rifle
Ser. No. 1,377,401
Cal. .219 Zipper
26" RB Half magazine
Shotgun Butt
Deluxe
Checkered forearm and
pistol grip with grip cap
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Posted - 10/06/2010 :  01:44:49 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello oakridge,

First, thank you very much for the additional information, especially the Model 55 and 64. Each one found and surveyed fills in one more piece to the puzzle.

I do have a question about the Model 64 219 Zipper... do you remember if it had a bolt peep sight, or a receiver peep sight (or the drilled & tapped holes for one)?

Thanks,

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oakridge
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Posted - 10/07/2010 :  2:52:28 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bert H.,
Sorry about that. My Zipper did have a receiver sight. It was not like the long Lyman #21 that I had on several Winchesters. I think it was the Lyman #56 sight. I don't think the bolt was made for a bolt peep sight.
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quote:
Originally posted by oakridge

Bert H.,
Sorry about that. My Zipper did have a receiver sight. It was not like the long Lyman #21 that I had on several Winchesters. I think it was the Lyman #56 sight. I don't think the bolt was made for a bolt peep sight.



No need to appologize... it is very easy to not remember all of the little details.

A Lyman No. 56 was a common sight on the Model 64.

Thanks for the update

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joeoim
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Posted - 11/16/2010 :  3:40:53 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bert,

Here are what I have,

1 Serial # 1837166
2 --Model 94--32 WIN SPL--
3 Checkered Butt Plate
4 Blank
5 Not drilled and tapped for sights
6 No
7 Barrel is marked --Winchester Proof Steel--
8 No saddle ring

1 Serial # 2149123
2 --Model-94--30-30 WIN--
3 Checkered Butt Plate
4 Blank
5 drilled and tapped for sights
6 No
7 Barrel is marked --Winchester Proof Steel--
8 No saddle ring

1 Serial # 1145276
2 30 W.C.F.-
3 It has the serrated steel butt plate
4 Type 6
5 drilled and tapped for sights
6 No
7 Barrel is marked Winchester Proof Steel
8 No saddle ring

1 Serial # 1393478
2 - Model 94 -30 W.C.F.-
3 It has the checkered steel butt plate
4 Blank
5 Not drilled or tapped for sights
6 No
7 Barrel is marked Winchester Proof Steel
8 No saddle ring
11 It has the flat band


1 Serial # 1234793
2 - Model 94 -30 W.C.F.-
3 Red rubber Butt Plate "Redhead brand Chicago"
4 Type 6
5 Not drilled or tapped for sights
6 No
7 Barrel is marked Winchester Proof Steel
8 No saddle ring
9 W on bottom

What butt plate should this rifle have?


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Posted - 11/16/2010 :  5:01:36 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello Joe,

First, thank you very much for your interest, and for posting the information on your collection of Model 94s.

I have inserted my reply for each gun in blue below.

quote:
Originally posted by joeoim

Bert,

Here are what I have,

1 Serial # 1837166 (1951)
2 --Model 94--32 WIN SPL--
3 Checkered Butt Plate
4 Blank
5 Not drilled and tapped for sights
6 No
7 Barrel is marked --Winchester Proof Steel--
8 No saddle ring
Standard production Sporting Carbine


1 Serial # 2149123 (circa 1955)
2 --Model-94--30-30 WIN--
3 Checkered Butt Plate
4 Blank
5 drilled and tapped for sights
6 No
7 Barrel is marked --Winchester Proof Steel--
8 No saddle ring
Standard Sporting Carbine. It would be interesting to know what the date stamp on the bottom of the barrel is.


1 Serial # 1145276 (September 23rd, 1937)
2 30 W.C.F.-
3 It has the serrated steel butt plate
4 Type 6
5 drilled and tapped for sights
6 No
7 Barrel is marked Winchester Proof Steel
8 No saddle ring
Standard Sporting Carbine


1 Serial # 1393478 (1946)
2 - Model 94 -30 W.C.F.-
3 It has the checkered steel butt plate
4 Blank
5 Not drilled or tapped for sights
6 No
7 Barrel is marked Winchester Proof Steel
8 No saddle ring
11 It has the flat band
Early production Flat-band Carbine.


1 Serial # 1234793 (July 9th, 1940)
2 - Model 94 -30 W.C.F.-
3 Red rubber Butt Plate "Redhead brand Chicago"
4 Type 6
5 Not drilled or tapped for sights
6 No
7 Barrel is marked Winchester Proof Steel
8 No saddle ring
9 W on bottom
Standard pre-war Sporting Carbine (except for the rubber recoil pad).

What butt plate should this rifle have? It should have the identical serrated steel butt plate that is on serial number 1145276.




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Posted - 11/16/2010 :  6:22:23 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank-You Bert

My dates were off a little.

These old rifles put a lot of meat on the table.
So did the 25-35.


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Posted - 11/16/2010 :  11:48:48 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by joeoim

Thank-You Bert

My dates were off a little.

These old rifles put a lot of meat on the table.
So did the 25-35.



Joe,

You are quite welcome.

The two precise dates (for the two earliest serial numbers) come from the Polishing Room Serialization Records, and the other three dates are estimates based on barrel dates that I have verified thus far. If you are adept at the disassembly of your guns, I would appreciate it if you could check the 2-digit year number stamped on the bottom of the barrels of each of the latter three guns.

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Posted - 11/17/2010 :  12:22:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Bert: First let me say I applaud your efforts in gathering this information on the 94 and it's siblings. I hope you publish a summary of it one day. Let me add some information about my 94 Winchester Eastern Carbine, 32 Win Spl, barrel is dated under chamber '37', Winchester Proof Steel stamped on top, Serial Number 1135619, second and third lines of tang label are hyphonated, bottom tang stamped 'S' in front of trigger, reciever is NOT d/t for receiver sight, buttplate has horizontal serations. The information will bring a new dimension to collecting these fine Winchesters. Thanks again,
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quote:
Originally posted by Halfled

Hi Bert: First let me say I applaud your efforts in gathering this information on the 94 and it's siblings. I hope you publish a summary of it one day. Let me add some information about my 94 Winchester Eastern Carbine, 32 Win Spl, barrel is dated under chamber '37', Winchester Proof Steel stamped on top, Serial Number 1135619, second and third lines of tang label are hyphonated, bottom tang stamped 'S' in front of trigger, reciever is NOT d/t for receiver sight, buttplate has horizontal serations. The information will bring a new dimension to collecting these fine Winchesters. Thanks again,



I have already written a preliminary article that was published in early 2009 (in the WACA Collector magazine), and I have three follow-up articles that are 98% complete (they will also be published in the WACA Collector magazine in the next year or so). After those articles have been published, I will see what I can do to put together a summary in a format that I can post here on GunBroker.

In regards to your Model 94 Sporting Carbine, serial number 1135619 is listed in the PR records as next to the last receiver serialized on July 15th, 1937. Everything you described is standard except the reference to "eastern". When Winchester discontinued the saddle ring as a standard item in early 1932, the "Saddle Ring Carbine" became the "Sporting Carbine". The term "Eastern Carbine" refers to those that were made (ordered) without a saddle ring when it was still a standard item.

Thank you very much for participating in my research survey. As of this moment, I now have a total of (234) Model 55s, (521) Model 64s, and (3046) Model 94s listed. The transition points (serial number range) for nearly all of the various production changes are very well defined at this point, and the extrapolated caliber production percentages have not changed much in the past 12-months or so.

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Posted - 11/17/2010 :  8:22:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Great work and information, thank you Sir!
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bert: i have been off the forum for a year and a half, but just picked up two 94's. they are in the mail, but can you tell me just the years? i will send rest of survey info. when they arrive: 1,354,690 and 1,349,812.
also, last year i asked for the 1943 serial range and you gave me a range. i have tried to read all the post since 3/25/09. are you now saying that no guns were produced during 1943 as i think i read in a newer post? thanks, for your help...mike
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quote:
Originally posted by mikey888f

bert: i have been off the forum for a year and a half, but just picked up two 94's. they are in the mail, but can you tell me just the years? i will send rest of survey info. when they arrive: 1,354,690 and 1,349,812.
also, last year i asked for the 1943 serial range and you gave me a range. i have tried to read all the post since 3/25/09. are you now saying that no guns were produced during 1943 as i think i read in a newer post? thanks, for your help...mike



Hello Mike,

As it turns out (per the information contained in the Polishing Room Serialization Record books), Winchester did not manufacture any Model 94s in the year 1943. Production ceased in August of 1942 at serial 1343183, and resumed in November of 1944 at serial number 1343184.

1349812 was serialized in December of 1945. 1354690 was serialized in very early 1946.


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Posted - 11/24/2010 :  2:08:17 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
bert: thanks for the info. happy thanksgiving!!
another question: i went back through your "94 facts section", but i did find serial number ranges for the 1930 to 1941 years(last of prewar). are these on the sight somewhere, the correct polishing room numbers like yours? thanks, mike
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Posted - 11/24/2010 :  6:09:16 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
bert: also, is 1,324,532 a 1942 d.o.m.? thanks again, mike
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quote:
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bert: also, is 1,324,532 a 1942 d.o.m.? thanks again, mike



March 1942 to be exact.

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quote:
Originally posted by mikey888f

bert: thanks for the info. happy thanksgiving!!
another question: i went back through your "94 facts section", but i did find serial number ranges for the 1930 to 1941 years(last of prewar). are these on the sight somewhere, the correct polishing room numbers like yours? thanks, mike



Mike,

I am not exactly clear about what you are asking?

The Polishing Room Serialization Records I have access to are complete from serial number 1 through 1352066 (September 29th, 1894 to December 29th, 1945).

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Posted - 11/27/2010 :  3:44:27 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
can you give me the serial ranges for 1939 and 1941? i couln't find these years in your "1894 facts" section. are these years in there and i missed them? mike
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Posted - 11/27/2010 :  5:45:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mikey888f

can you give me the serial ranges for 1939 and 1941? i couln't find these years in your "1894 facts" section. are these years in there and i missed them? mike



1939 = 1198405 - 1216165
1941 = 1259564 - 1313301

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Posted - 11/30/2010 :  2:15:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bert:

Serial Number 1077243, Model 94, 32ws
Good condition

Any idea without pictures as to what I should ask for a selling price.
Never reblued or altered.
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