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ajnin
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Posted - 11/19/2008 :  2:23:27 PM  Show Profile
I have had some very disturbing dealings with Sccy Firearms that I wanted to share with the GunBroker community. I am a seller here with a 2700+ A+ feedback rating on GunBroker, I have strong business ethics as can be determined by my extensive A+ feedback. I am not writing this with any malicious intent, I am writing this just to share the horrible experiences I have had in my dealings with Sccy Firearms in hopes it will prevent other people from having the same problems with a terrible firearms manufacturer.

This is my opinion about Sccy Firearms based on the problems I have had with their guns and the principals of the company.

I have been a firearms dealer and self-defense firearms instructor for several decades. As a dealer, I have seen many companies come and go, some good some bad. I can tell you, there is nothing good to say about Sccy Firearms.

I have purchased about a dozen Sccy Firearms for resale in my gun shop, just about every single one has been returned me or to Sccy Firearms as defective. Most have had the guide rods break, when I call Sccy to tell them about the recurring problems, they continually blame the shooter for putting the guide rod in wrong. Funny...shooters seem to be able to install the guide rod on every other gun just fine.

Fact is, the rod is made of cheap materials and they break...period! It is not the fault of the consumer, but the fault of the design and quality of materials used in construction of Sccy Firearms.

The problems have not been limited to just broken guide rods. The guns we sold do not feed properly, they are not reliable, and we have had a myriad of problems to the point where my customers do not feel confident carrying Sccy Firearms for defensive purposes. Some of my customers do no even want the guns repaired, they just want to get rid of the guns and buy something that works.

The customer service is non-existent; the people at Sccy are extremely rude and not helpful at all. They have not only been rude to me, but to my customers as well, badmouthing me when my customers call Sccy to complain about guns that don't work. My apologies to the people at Sccy, but I am an ethical gun dealer, I will not tell my customers that a firearm is a good firearm if it is not; I tell it like it is. It is my opinion that Sccy Firearms are junk, at any price. This is based on the number of guns I have sold compared to the number that have been returned to me unfireable.

I will not carry Sccy Firearms in my shop any longer. As a professional firearms tactics instructor for both civilians and law enforcement, I feel that Sccy Firearms are unsafe to use for any shooting purpose.

I find the quality of the product to be sub-par and dangerous, and I find the attitude of the people at Sccy to be even worse. I am not going to get into the details of my dealings with the rude people at Sccy, let's just say their personality and customer service match the quality of the guns they produce.

I will not sell or recommend Sccy Firearms to anyone in the future, and in fact, on the contrary, I recommend shooters spend their hard earned dollars on firearms that work when you need them to, with companies that offer customer service, two things that Sccy Firearms does not offer.

If you are looking for a firearm like the Sccy with the same price point, I recommend the Kel-Tec P-11. We have sold hundreds of the Kel-Tec firearms, both handguns and long arms with no issues ever.

As a firearm dealer, it is my opinion that Sccy Firearms are of very poor quality and are not firearms that I would bet the safety of myself, my family of anyone else’s family on.

Just my opinion as a firearms dealer and self-defense instructor.



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dongizmo
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Posted - 11/19/2008 :  2:32:50 PM  Show Profile
So what was your user name on the auction side?...
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eboydell
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Posted - 11/19/2008 :  2:35:01 PM  Show Profile
God! That was like reading "Gone With The Wind". I have one in my pocket now...I like it. See,a lot shorter and to the point! Oh! By the way, welcome. I'm the resident smart ass.


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quickmajik
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Posted - 11/19/2008 :  2:37:40 PM  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by eboydell

God! That was like reading "Gone With The Wind". I have one in my pocket now...I like it. See,a lot shorter and to the point! Oh! By the way, welcome. I'm the resident smart ass.




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slipgate
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Posted - 11/19/2008 :  2:42:09 PM  Show Profile
Thanks! I have 4 of those on order that I am about to cancel!

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CS8161
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Posted - 11/19/2008 :  2:44:26 PM  Show Profile
You would think after the first few broken guns, he would have stopped selling them???

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HonestBlues
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Posted - 11/19/2008 :  2:50:44 PM  Show Profile
I guess I have been out of the loop so long I had never heard of SCCY until this thread.Thanks for the heads-up on their lack of quality.

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eboydell
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Posted - 11/19/2008 :  2:53:16 PM  Show Profile
TJ, I am glad that I can count on you to cover my "six". Sometimes I think that I just have too many fans here. Get a grip on yourselves! P.S. Take Nunn. He has learn how to control his adoration for me! Hell! I never heard of SCCY either...don't feel badly.


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Edited by - eboydell on 11/19/2008 2:55:02 PM
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quickmajik
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Posted - 11/19/2008 :  2:58:20 PM  Show Profile
Well it just bubbles over so that I dont know what to do with it all.

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select-fire
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Posted - 11/19/2008 :  3:29:50 PM  Show Profile
If Kel tec is this guys idea of a well made gun.. Ha ha ha
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RugerNiner
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Posted - 11/19/2008 :  3:40:00 PM  Show Profile
This company should never have started a forum for their guns.
Take a look.

http://www.skyyforum.com/viewforum.php?f=17

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grumpygy
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Posted - 11/19/2008 :  3:41:39 PM  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by HonestBlues

I guess I have been out of the loop so long I had never heard of SCCY until this thread.Thanks for the heads-up on their lack of quality.



You are not the only one now I have to see what it is they are talking about.

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ajnin
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Posted - 11/19/2008 :  3:52:31 PM  Show Profile
quote:
You would think after the first few broken guns, he would have stopped selling them???



Hi Chris,

Thanks for taking the time to read and reply to my post, sorry it was so long, I tend to be detail oriented.

You make a valid point, we did not have any problems when we placed the orders. We had sold about 6 guns before the first one came back. One gun coming back from a company, especailly a fairly new company, usually will not raise a red flag.

It wasn't until after we had stocked and sold about 6 guns before they started coming back defective. Keep in mind also that we do not buy these one at a time, so we were ordering several into inventory at a time before any came back.

We have had problems with just about every brand we sell, let's face it, guns break. The difference was the AMOUNT of Sccy Firearms we got back and the very poor handling of the situation by the people at Sccy Firearms when I attempted to remedy the problem.

Understand also, my intent is not to convince someone either way about Sccy. I just wanted to post my experience so people an read the good and the bad and evaluate for themselves which is the right gun for them.

Thanks again,
Shoot straight.
ajnin




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Edited by - ajnin on 11/19/2008 4:14:22 PM
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Flying Clay Disk
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Posted - 11/19/2008 :  3:54:05 PM  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by RugerNiner

This company should never have started a forum for their guns.
Take a look.

http://www.skyyforum.com/viewforum.php?f=17



That's pretty funny!

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select-fire
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Posted - 11/19/2008 :  4:35:42 PM  Show Profile
Are these any kin to a hi-point?

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ajnin
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Posted - 11/21/2008 :  5:24:53 PM  Show Profile
No, Hi-Points actually WORK. At least that is my experience with them. Ugly has heck, but those babies work forever.

There is an interesting post (with photos) on the Sccy Message board, from some guy (Dr. Dirt) who put 8 mags through his Sccy 380 and both sides of the slides cracked, after less than 100 rounds...

http://www.sccyforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=9396


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lordmegatron
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USA
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Posted - 02/27/2010 :  11:26:20 AM  Show Profile
they went under skyy had to change names the vodka co was going to sue so they changed it to sccy, i have heard don't buy a jimenez aka bryco jennings the pin does the same thing, if sccy is a kel-tek rip off or what ever it's my money i don't need someone saying stay away
they said the same about hi-point it don't matter what gun you own something will happen to it

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Nwcid
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Posted - 02/27/2010 :  11:43:25 AM  Show Profile
This was posted Posted - 11/19/2008 : 2:23:27 PM and the OP has 3 posts. I am guessing he is long gone.



Just a thought Why would you ask members of a gun forum if you should buy a gun. Kinda like an alcoholic going into a bar to hoping to have someone tell him not to drink.

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The Ultimate Infidel
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Posted - 02/27/2010 :  11:58:38 AM  Show Profile
Or he simply made his point and moved on. The point was valid i will say. Those sccy are exploders and what he said about the factory is right on as well. I might also add in my experience Kel-tec does have about the best customer service I have run across bar none. Also Kel-tec while a lower price point does still make a reliable well functioning firearm.
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realspeed
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Posted - 02/27/2010 :  12:11:05 PM  Show Profile
Thats weird I have had prolly 50-60 skyy's in and out of here and Have never had one come back with a problem...
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lordmegatron
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Posted - 02/27/2010 :  1:27:57 PM  Show Profile
what about jimenez i hear those are nothing but paper weight.. the pin works lose not a reliable gun

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DRP-AZ
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Posted - 02/27/2010 :  1:32:05 PM  Show Profile
They have to be one of the most aggressively marketed pistols ever. Not a month goes by where a representative from that co. doesn't call me and start into some script about what a great gun they are.

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Locust Fork
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Posted - 02/27/2010 :  2:46:07 PM  Show Profile
I wonder about people sometimes??? Why on earth pull this super OLD thread to the top??? What KILLS me is 99% of the time this is done by a "new member" with no history....like someone REALLY wants to make some kind of point, but they don't want to use their name??? Why?


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I wonder about people sometimes??? Why on earth pull this super OLD thread to the top??? What KILLS me is 99% of the time this is done by a "new member" with no history....like someone REALLY wants to make some kind of point, but they don't want to use their name??? Why?

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Why is that I have never heard of these guns and I still don't know any thing about them. That's probably a good thing.

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Posted - 02/27/2010 :  3:35:23 PM  Show Profile
What I remember about Skyy is they weren't bad...not "impressive" but not horrible. The only ones I have ever messed around with were the double stack 9mm that were EXACTLY like the older Keltecs except they had an ambi-safety on the back of the slide.

I had heard that there was a guy that actually worked for the Keltec company that went out on his own to make the Skyy. Not long after that Keltec came out with a single stack 9mm...then everyone on the planet started copying Keltec's little 380. The latest "copycat" is Sig....they look pretty cool.

As far as Sccy goes....its like it always has been....you get what you pay for. They are a mid-grade gun, not a Jennings by any means, but NOT a Sig either.

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partisan
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Posted - 02/27/2010 :  7:32:41 PM  Show Profile
Never heard of Sccy firearms. Thanks for the heads up, and +1 on Kel-Tec.
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lordmegatron
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USA
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Posted - 02/27/2010 :  8:04:40 PM  Show Profile
i found a site with links to affordable guns and rifles
mousegun.com http://www.mouseguns.com/afford.htm
looky what they said about the jimenez
Jimenez JA 25 Photo Gallery (Dependable, and inexpensive)

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hk-91
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USA
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Posted - 02/27/2010 :  9:19:39 PM  Show Profile
My dealer ordered acouple and i picked one up from him. Only problems i have heard of it with the older ones the safty would come on after acouple shots. They fixed this problem. I have around 300 rounds through mine with out any problems. My dealer has round 600 through the one he picked up and its still working good.
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bambihunter
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Posted - 03/01/2010 :  4:49:53 PM  Show Profile
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Originally posted by partisan

Never heard of Sccy firearms. Thanks for the heads up, and +1 on Kel-Tec.



I guess we are now up to +3 on Kel-tec. I rely on one every day while at work for my defense.
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00buck
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Posted - 03/01/2010 :  5:14:25 PM  Show Profile
KEL TEC are Dangerous. --- The slide came off my Kel Tec while shooting. Kel Tec said they would quickly send me a new pin to hold the slide on. Never shot the gun again. Too long of a trigger pull would make anyone start flinching. Took it back to the shop I bought it from.
But you get what you pay for!!
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bambihunter
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Posted - 03/01/2010 :  5:25:57 PM  Show Profile
5,000 rounds of .380 acp through my P3AT. Some (guessing 1,000 rounds) were hotter than Kel-tec recommends. I bought mine when they first modified the .32 into the .380 (internal extractor) and have never had a single FTF, FTE, anything...

I agree with you that you get what you pay for, but hardly any one else makes such a lightweight powerful gun in a FULLY concealable size that works with my mandatory work attire. Your mileage may vary, but I have had great success with mine. If I wasn't 100% sure of it, I wouldn't CCW with it.
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rugersr9c
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Posted - 03/17/2010 :  12:41:04 PM  Show Profile
Ajin 1st started this thread 16 months ago and from experience and web searches I find that the Sccy people have worked towards resolving the gun problems as well as the customer service.
I have a CPX-1 & its back at Sccy for a fix. The safety and mag eject button need work. I spoke with a fellow named Don who was very helpful and paid for the FedEx return.
Notwithstanding the improved customer service the pistol still has problems even though the outwardly quality looks great. As an engineer I believe the design quality is the issue, which they are addressing. Don told me they have 2 new guns coming. One is nearly a full make-over & the other simply removing the troublesome safety on the CPX-1. Y'all are looking for price competitive American made guns but I strongly suggest they do not release it until ALL the problems and nits are worked out. A 2nd gun with problems could sink the company and no one wants to see another Ameriacn business go under and put more folks out of work. I wish them good luck on this lucky St. Paddy's day, but lets hope they don't need it and produce a winner with their new pistol.

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cce1302
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Posted - 03/17/2010 :  2:39:53 PM  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by rugersr9c

Ajin 1st started this thread 16 months ago and from experience and web searches I find that the Sccy people have worked towards resolving the gun problems as well as the customer service.
I have a CPX-1 & its back at Sccy for a fix. The safety and mag eject button need work. I spoke with a fellow named Don who was very helpful and paid for the FedEx return.
Notwithstanding the improved customer service the pistol still has problems even though the outwardly quality looks great. As an engineer I believe the design quality is the issue, which they are addressing. Don told me they have 2 new guns coming. One is nearly a full make-over & the other simply removing the troublesome safety on the CPX-1. Y'all are looking for price competitive American made guns but I strongly suggest they do not release it until ALL the problems and nits are worked out. A 2nd gun with problems could sink the company and no one wants to see another Ameriacn business go under and put more folks out of work. I wish them good luck on this lucky St. Paddy's day, but lets hope they don't need it and produce a winner with their new pistol.


again?

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Posted - 03/17/2010 :  2:41:26 PM  Show Profile
digging up the moldy oldies again???

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rugersr9c
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Posted - 03/17/2010 :  2:50:06 PM  Show Profile
Na, just as I said in the 1st post I currently have a pistol in for a fix & Ajnin's post is 16 months old & perhaphs no longer correct. Unless I'm missing what your saying & you're against the "buy American" point of view!

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Posted - 03/17/2010 :  2:51:53 PM  Show Profile
...2 years old, Ajnin the poster didnt read the guidelines, Ajnin is long gone as is this post...




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