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sigarmsp226
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USA
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Posted - 12/24/2008 :  6:54:31 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
1st off let me say I do not work for or have any affiliation with Federal Ammo Company....
Not trying to beat a dead horse but several weeks ago on this General Discussion Forum I asked opinions related to Federal HST vs Hydra Shock... I have been doing some research and am going to attach once more a good summary related to the HST ammo. But the main reason for this new post is because my local Gun Shop owner, who has a few boxes of HST on his shelf, told me today that the Federal Ammo rep. told him last week that Federal has made the decision to stop sales of HST ammo to non-law enforcement personnal. Now this is a report provided 2nd hand but I do trust this friend completly. I have watched this ammo start to dry up on GB and earlier this week I called 5 on line ammo sellers and 4 or the 5 were out of all HST ammo. Now to my point... If you want some of this ammo, now is the time to look at your local gun shops and buy it if you want it. Federal might change their decision in 09 but for now this is a great new ammo that might disapear fairly quick. My dealer said that Federal received reports from several Law Enforcement Departments that there were people slling this ammo at gun shows. Not sure why that caused them to make that decision. I know there are many other ammos out there that are as good as if not better than... I have attached the article again that I found a couple of weeks ago related to this ammo. Merry Christmas Everyone.....

Just Found this on the Internet - Answers my question,,, I think.....


Pierce County Sheriff’s Department,
Olympia Police Department, Auburn
Police Department, Thurston County
Sheriff’s Office, and Puyallup Police
Department were in attendance at the
shoot hosted by the Pierce County
Sheriff’s Department at the Pierce
County Training Facility.

Federal HST was the featured ATK product. However, Pierce County elected to shoot
three of their current duty rounds – Winchester SXT, Remington Golden Sabre (sic),
Remington JHP.

*NOTE* - All Winchester and Remington rounds were supplied by the
department. No Competitor rounds were supplied by ATK or Distributor personnel.

test Events

Bare Gelatin
All rounds typically perform well in bare gelatin, which is the easiest of all test events.
Previous and current generations of hollow point rounds were and are designed to expand
to 1.5 times the original bullet diameter. Federal’s HST rounds were engineered to
expand well beyond twice the original diameter in bare gelatin.

Federal HST 45 ACP – 1.043”/.452” = 2.31 times larger than its original diameter
Federal HST 40 S&W – 0.945”/.40” = 2.36 times larger than its original diameter
Federal HST 9mm – 0.891”/.356” = 2.5 times larger than its original diameter

Bullet Caliber/Weight Penetration Expansion Retained Weight

Federal HST 45 ACP... 230 gr... 12.75”... 1.043”... 100.96%
Winchester SXT 45 ACP... 230 gr... 12.5”... 0.795”... 100.61%
Remington GS 45 ACP... 185 gr... 14.0”... 0.730”... 100.38%

Federal HST 40 S&W...180 gr... 11.5”... 0.945”... 101.78%
Winchester SXT 40 S&W...180 gr... 13.5”...0.658”... 92.67%

Federal HST 9mm...147 gr...11.5”... 0.891”...101.5%
Federal HST 9mm...124 gr...11.75”...0.839”... 101.05%
Winchester SXT 9mm...127 gr...16.0”...0.718”...94.49%

Heavy Clothing
All bullets performed well in Heavy Clothing. Federal HST again demonstrated the
designed expansion characteristics and outperformed all tested rounds for expansion.

Bullet Caliber/Weight Penetration Expansion Retained Weight

Federal HST 45 ACP 230 gr. 14.0” 0.850” 99.65%
Winchester SXT 45 ACP 230 gr. 12.5” 0.773” 101.26%
Remington GS 45 ACP 185 gr. 14.25” 0.704” 102.22%

Federal HST 40 S&W 180 gr. 13.0” 0.788” 101.56%
Winchester SXT 40 S&W 180 gr. 14.0” 0.757” 91.89%

Federal HST 9mm 147 gr. 13.75” 0.689” 102.38%
Federal HST 9mm 124 gr. 12.0” 0.709” 102.26%
Winchester SXT 9mm 127 gr. 13.5” 0.684” 97.48%

ruger41
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USA
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Posted - 12/24/2008 :  7:38:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Is this like a Black Talon issue--which is really nothing special to begin with?

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sigarmsp226
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USA
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Posted - 12/24/2008 :  7:40:53 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think so - In fact the local dealer made that exact same comment....
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ruger41
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USA
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Posted - 12/24/2008 :  7:43:10 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Maybe they will just repackage & rename it like they did the Black Talon. Black Talon = Ranger SXT

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fordsix
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Posted - 12/24/2008 :  8:28:54 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i see winchester ranger sold all the time at shows..who cares..i can make some realy nasty hand made ammo in my bunker
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RugerNiner
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Posted - 12/24/2008 :  8:46:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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use enough gun
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Posted - 12/24/2008 :  9:55:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you cast your own this isn't a problem. Cast some pure lead bullets, run them through an undersize sizing die, patch them with teflon tape, use a gas check, resize with normal sizing die. Dave

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ammo guy
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Posted - 12/24/2008 :  10:34:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am quite curious how the bullet retained more weight than it had before it was fired. Did it grow?
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Beeramid
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USA
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Posted - 12/24/2008 :  10:38:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ruger41

Maybe they will just repackage & rename it like they did the Black Talon. Black Talon = Ranger SXT




The Same Xact Thing?

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Nwcid
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USA
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Posted - 12/24/2008 :  11:28:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Good thing I use Corbon. This is a non issue for me.




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ruger41
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Posted - 12/25/2008 :  12:53:14 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Beeramid

quote:
Originally posted by ruger41

Maybe they will just repackage & rename it like they did the Black Talon. Black Talon = Ranger SXT




The Same Xact Thing?


yup-it is. the only difference if you can even call it that is the SXT is not black lubalox but it is the same bullet.

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Beeramid
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Posted - 12/25/2008 :  10:27:03 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ruger41

quote:
Originally posted by Beeramid

quote:
Originally posted by ruger41

Maybe they will just repackage & rename it like they did the Black Talon. Black Talon = Ranger SXT




The Same Xact Thing?


yup-it is. the only difference if you can even call it that is the SXT is not black lubalox but it is the same bullet.



Oh that black stuff that made it penetrate body armor.

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P228
Sock Puppet for M1AGuy

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Posted - 12/25/2008 :  10:38:56 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ammo guy

I am quite curious how the bullet retained more weight than it had before it was fired. Did it grow?



The bullet picks up pieces of whatever it was fired into.
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