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TenMuses
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Posted - 01/20/2009 :  8:22:34 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I want to buy a few guns and a supply of ammunition before the laws change to prevent me. If I buy 4-5 guns and a few thousand rounds of ammunition can I expect a visit from the ATF? (I'm a law-abiding citizen with no criminal record)

chappsyny
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USA
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Posted - 01/20/2009 :  8:23:36 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If that were the case then everyone the forum would be getting quarterly visits (at least) from our overseers.

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ruger41
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USA
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Posted - 01/20/2009 :  8:25:25 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
As long as you buy them legally there should be no problem. Of course if a goofy law changes that says 2000 rounds of ammo and 4 firearms is considered an arsenal then you are screwed--but it hasn't gotten there just yet. Of course it also depends on what state you live in because some of them you have to jump through hoops just to buy 1 gun.

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COLT
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USA
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Posted - 01/20/2009 :  8:28:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
...No...just buy within the BS laws crammed down our throats and you'll be good to go...4-5 guns, I guess thats just your initial buy to start off with?...just a few thousand rounds huh, planning on one day of shooting is all?...


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MFinn
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Posted - 01/20/2009 :  8:34:41 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
They have not come see me, yet

Edited by - MFinn on 01/20/2009 8:35:09 PM
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joshmb1982
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USA
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Posted - 01/20/2009 :  8:36:56 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i dont know for sure but have heard from several people that some state place a limit on # of rds you can own without a permit???? anyone know if such a law exists? in CT?
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MMOMEQ-55
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USA
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Posted - 01/20/2009 :  8:37:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No one had knocked on my door yet.

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XLpitman
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Posted - 01/20/2009 :  8:38:48 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by chappsyny

If that were the case then everyone the forum would be getting quarterly visits (at least) from our overseers.



I know they'd be knockin on my door.


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tazzer
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USA
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Posted - 01/20/2009 :  8:58:26 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
so lets say he buys 5 handguns at the same time I know hes with in the law but would it throw a red flag to the ever watching atf you all know how they like to spy on us law-abiding folks

We have room for but one flag, the American flag...
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bigtire
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USA
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Posted - 01/20/2009 :  9:04:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've never gotten a visit from the BATF and I bought 7 guns and several thousand rounds at an auction. Just did the 4473 and the FFL did the phone call. No Problems.

Do some research, get to know the laws. Buy through a reputable FFL dealer and they will definately not let you do anything that would get you in trouble, because they would get into trouble right along with you.

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DBMJR1
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USA
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Posted - 01/20/2009 :  9:09:15 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I had a dealer tell me that purchasing three or more handguns, in the same day might cause a slight delay in my approval. He was right, it took an extra fifteen minutes, at a gun show.

I am in possession of more than four thousand rounds, right now, but I shoot rim fire. That's four trips to the range.

Don
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jwb267
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USA
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Posted - 01/20/2009 :  9:12:28 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by tazzer

so lets say he buys 5 handguns at the same time I know hes with in the law but would it throw a red flag to the ever watching atf you all know how they like to spy on us law-abiding folks



you now have to fill out a separate form AND contact atf of multiple HANDGUN sales to a single person
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Rocklobster
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Posted - 01/20/2009 :  9:17:25 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"ATF visit if you buy too much guns or ammo?"

If that's the case, then judging by the last three gun shows that I've attended, several thousand people here in Georgia will be having a little visit soon!



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tazzer
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USA
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Posted - 01/20/2009 :  9:21:17 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jwb267

quote:
Originally posted by tazzer

so lets say he buys 5 handguns at the same time I know hes with in the law but would it throw a red flag to the ever watching atf you all know how they like to spy on us law-abiding folks



you now have to fill out a separate form AND contact atf of multiple HANDGUN sales to a single person


ahhh so it does toss a red flag to them then if this is true.


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sigarmsp226
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USA
2445 Posts

Posted - 01/20/2009 :  9:24:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just be careful who you tell about your purchases around your home town. You will not have to worry about ATF you will have to worry about robbers.... Do what we do and buy what you want and put it up... DO not brag to much to friends, that type of information could spread to the wrong set of ears and you do not want that.... Buy and enjoy and shoot what you buy......
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jwb267
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USA
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Posted - 01/20/2009 :  9:35:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
F5) As a licensed dealer, must I advise ATF if I sell more than one handgun to an individual?

If you sell or dispose of more than one handgun to any non-licensee during a period of 5 consecutive business days, the sale must be reported on ATF Form 3310.4, Report of Multiple Sale or Other Disposition of Pistols and Revolvers, not later than the close of the business day on which you sold or disposed of the second handgun. The licensee must forward a copy of the Form 3310.4 to the ATF office specified thereon, and another copy must be forwarded to the State police or local law enforcement agency where the sale occurred. A copy of the Form 3310.4 also must be attached to the firearms transaction record, ATF Form 4473, documenting the sale or disposition of the second handgun.
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TenMuses
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Posted - 01/20/2009 :  10:34:52 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
.4-5 guns, I guess thats just your initial buy to start off with?...just a few thousand rounds huh, planning on one day of shooting is all?...


I guess it's all relative :). I've just never bought that much in a short span before. It looks like I'm probably within the bounds of common behavior though so I guess I'll start shopping. Thanks for the info everyone!
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pickenup
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USA
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Posted - 01/20/2009 :  11:02:09 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Can you expect a visit?
Who knows, he just took office, and has all the tools of "homeland security" at his disposal.

While campaigning on July 2 in Colorado Springs he made this rather shocking (and chilling) pledge: "We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."


Now what do you think he need a civilian national security for JUST AS powerful, strong, and well funded as our military for??? We may ALL be getting a visit.


TenMuses, you are a little behind the 8 ball on this. Guns have been flying off the shelves every since the election was decided. You choices may be pretty slim. IF you can even find what you want, you might be paying a premium for them now days. (supply and demand, ya know) Buy from a private party, if you live in one of the semi-free states that are still "allowed" to do that. Pay cash for guns and ammo. Pretty hard to visit you, if there is no paper trail.


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beantownshootah
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USA
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Posted - 01/21/2009 :  01:04:27 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Heck, if you go to the local Walmart and buy a 10/22 and two bricks, now you have a deadly semiautomatic gun and an arsenal of 1000 rounds!

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fullautogunner
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Seychelles
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Posted - 01/21/2009 :  05:10:14 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
They keep tabs no doubt, but visits, not sure. I do know they suck!

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mrseatle
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Posted - 01/21/2009 :  09:19:15 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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eboydell
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USA
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Posted - 01/21/2009 :  10:29:35 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In 1994, the gunshop from which I bought guns for years was raided by the ATF for some minor infractions. Anyway, contrary to the law, the ATF compiled a computer lists of all guns purchased, and by whom. I had given up my FFL two years before;nevertheless, the ATF called me, and wished to personally pick up my expired FFL. The agent that came was an older man and was very polite. After talking awhile, he admitted that they only came to see what type of person I was. He finished his coffee, and left,not even taking the expired FFL. So your answer is "yes"...big brother never sleeps!


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Johnnylikesguns
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USA
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Posted - 01/21/2009 :  10:42:51 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote


GUNS??? AMMO???

What is that stuff??

John
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