GunBroker.com Message Forums
Review our Posting Guidelines
GunBroker.com Message Forums
Home | Profile | Register | Active Topics | Members | Search | FAQ
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?   Trouble / Can't log in?

 All Forums
 GunBroker.com Message Forums
 Ask the Experts
 Iver Johnson Cycle and Gun Works
 New Topic  Reply to Topic
 Printer Friendly
Author Previous Topic Topic Next Topic  

Long Range Shane
Starting Member

USA
3 Posts

Posted - 04/04/2009 :  4:23:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have an Iver Johnson Cycle And Gun Works Champion .44 shotgun. It is a smooth bore (no Rifleing). According to the original documentation there is no record of a .44 cal ever made, and the date of manufacture is between 1903 and 1912. Any more information on the gun or its worth would be helpful. Thanks

Knifecollector
Advanced Member

USA
2978 Posts

Posted - 04/05/2009 :  08:29:03 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Blue Book says they were chambered in .44, .45, 12mm, and 14mm, in addition to all the shotgun gauges. Are you sure theres no trace of rifling? Books says to add 50% for such chamberings but I'd say it would have to be much higher.
Go to Top of Page

BigLoop22
Member

USA
578 Posts

Posted - 04/05/2009 :  11:35:09 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Gents,

This may help with the caliber designation, if that is causing confusion:

http://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=223701

I am not familiar with knifeusercollections's shotgun, though.

BigLoop22
---------------------------------


Hunt101 Photo Complete "img" Links:

Go to Top of Page

b.goforth
Member

966 Posts

Posted - 04/05/2009 :  2:02:07 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
here is what little i know about the 44 caliber shotguns manufactured by iver johnson on the small frame model 39 for a short time only.

1909 model 39 small frame smooth bore introduced in 24 and 28 gagues
1910 catalog 24 and 28 guuges only
1913 catalog 24, 28 gauges and 44 listed
1919 catalog model 39 not listed, standard size frame model 36 champion listed in 12,16,20,24,28 and 410 gauges (yes the 410 is listed as a gauge)

my take on the above information is the 44 smooth bore model 39 was introduced no earlier than 1911 and manufactured until 1918. until i find a catalog between these years that does or does not list the 44 shotgun these are the production dates i have to use. i have not seen but i have heard of other chambering in the small frame model 39 like a 32 guuge and the european chambering of 12 and 14mm shot shells.

in the H&R small frame model 1905 and 1915 you can date the 44/410 to an era just by the markings

1906=1915 marked 44 cal.
1916-1921 marked 410-44
1922-1936 marked 410-12mm
1937 to present marked 410 and chambered for 3 inch shells.

here is some info on the model 39;

CHAMPION MODEL 39---------------------------------------1909-1916
Smaller frame than Model 36; center mounted rebounding hammer; top lever break open mechanism; 1910 24 and 28 gauges only; 28 and 30 inch plain full choked barrels (barrel and lug forged as one piece), 1911-1915 24, 28, 410 gauges and 44 caliber (same barrel lengths); American Black Walnut butt stock and fore-end with hard rubber butt plate and pistol grip cap; automatic extractor with automatic ejector extra cost option; case hardened frame and browned barrel (nickel frame optional); weight 5 pounds; Overall length with 30 inch barrel 44 inches.
VALUE: 100%=$325 60%=$155

CHAMPION MODEL 39 JUNIOR--------------------------------1909-1916
Same small frame as regular Model 39; center mounted rebounding hammer, American Black Walnut butt stock and fore-end, butt stock shortened; case hardened frame and browned barrel; 24 and 28 gagues; barrel length of 26 and 28 inches 410 and 44 caliber added after 1911, full chocked; automatic extractors; hard rubber butt plate; barrel and lug forged as one piece; weight 5 pounds with 26 inch barrel; overall length with 26 inch barrel about 39 inches.
VALUE: RARE 100%=$325 60%=$155

any model 39 small frame shotgun is considered rare as few have survived today
bill

Edited by - b.goforth on 04/05/2009 2:08:25 PM
Go to Top of Page

Long Range Shane
Starting Member

USA
3 Posts

Posted - 04/10/2009 :  2:53:46 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks everybody for the info. More than I hoped for. Long Rang Shane
Go to Top of Page
  Previous Topic Topic Next Topic  
 New Topic  Reply to Topic
 Printer Friendly
Jump To:
GunBroker.com Message Forums © 1999-2014 GB Investments, Inc. All Rights Reserved Go To Top Of Page
Powered By: Snitz Forums 2000 Version 3.4.06


Visit GunBroker.com at: www.gunbroker.com
Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of the site's User Agreement
Site Map