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dmacsilverado
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Posted - 05/07/2009 :  11:31:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi all, I have a few H&R's that I would appreciate any info on.

1. H&R .32; top strap reads H&R Double Action/ Model 1905 .32 cal
ser# 441xx
2. H&R 999 sportsman; ser# K500
3. H&R 949; ser# AJ472xx
4. H&R 922; ser# 1786xx
5. Iver Johnson .32; top break, ser# A823xx

I would most like to know the age/ manufacture date of these revolvers. Thank You in advance if any one is familiar.

b.goforth
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Posted - 05/08/2009 :  2:04:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
H&R Model 1905 manufactured 1906 until 1942, the low 5 digit serial number would most likely put it in the 1910 to 1915 era

H&R M949 AJ letter codes used in 1972
MODEL 949 FORTY-NINER--------------------------------1961-1972
Solid Frame, Double Action, Rod, Ejection, Western Style Grip, 22 Long Rifle Caliber, 9 shot, Blue Finish, Barrel Length 5 inches
VALUE: 100%=$250 60%=$125
MODEL 949 FORTY-NINER (TRANSFER BAR IGNITION)-----------1973-1986
Solid Frame, Double Action, Rod, Ejection, Western Style Grip, 22 Long Rifle Caliber, 9 shot, Blue Finish, Barrel Length 5 inches
VALUE: 100%=$265 60%=$150

H&R M999 K letter code used in 1950
SPORTSMAN DOUBLE ACTION MODEL 999 LARGE FRAME TOP BREAK . --1932-1952
Large frame double action top break revolver; Caliber 22 rimfire (short, long & long rifle) cylinder capacity 9 rounds, 22 Winchester Rim Fire (WRF)cylinder capacity 7 rounds; Safety rim cylinder; blue finish only; barrel length 6 inches (ribbed); Automatic cylinder stop; Sights: rear adjustable for windage only, Three different front sights used, full Blade, Partridge type & Partridge type pinned to barrel top rib, all non-adjustable; Finger rest trigger guard; One piece oversized checkered Walnut grips (birds head grip frame shape, Rice frame); frame mounted firing pin, hammer face is flat. Cylinder release is long pivoting lever on right side of frame (there are two different version of this). Serial numbered in its own series from 01 up to at least 89761 by the end of 1939. Starting in 1940 letter codes were used. Early production until about 1933 the letter code D was used to denote double action
First Variation; round heavy weight ribbed barrel with Blade non-adjustable front sight --1932- to before April 18,1933
Second Variation; adjustable front sight--1933 (after 4-18-1933)-
Third Variation; firing pin moved to hammer-------------------1934
Fourth Variation; three inch barrel was offered---------------1935
Fifth Variation; two patent dates marked on cylinder (before there was only one)--1936 (after 3-17)-1937
Sixth Variation; top of barrel markings moved to right side of barrel--1937-1939
Seventh Variation; 22 WFR caliber dropped, 3 inch barrel dropped------1940-1941
Eight Variation; one piece over size plastic grips are standard, limited production during WWII years----1942-1952
VALUE: 100&=$425 605=$195 Add 15% premium for 1st Variation; %0% for 22WRF caliber; 30% for 3 barrel (scarce)

H&R M922 low 6 digit serial number 1937 to 1939 era
MODEL 922 DOUBLE ACTION FIRST MODEL
LARGE SOLID FRAME 22 RIMFIRE CALIBER --------------------1927-1952
9 shot cylinder capacity, pull pin cylinder release, blue finish, 6 inch octagon barrel, two piece over size walnut grips saw handle shaped, marked with company name and address on top of barrel, right side of barrel H&R 922 and caliber on left side of barrel.
First Variation-------1927-1930 serial number range 125270*-144000*(estimate)
Second Variation 1931 DIFFERENCE: new grip shape (saw handle shape eliminated) serial number range 144000*-160000*(estimate)
Third Variation 1932-1937 DIFFERENCE: new safety cylinder, serial number range 160000*-171000*(estimate)
Fourth Variation 1938-1939 DIFFERENCE; new grip frame and round barrel,serial number range 171000*-192000*(estimate)
Fifth Variation 1940- 1947 DIFFERENCE; same as 4th variation except letter code prefix to serial number A thru H
Sixth Variation 1948-1949 DIFFERENCE; a new barrel length, serial number letter codes I and J
Seventh Variation 1949-1952 DIFFERENCE; all-in-one cartridge extraction system, serial number letter codes J thru M
Eight Variation 1952 models for M922 Camper and M922 Bantam weight (see post 1953 models)
VALUE: 100%=$195 60&=$55 add 40% premium for 1st Variation and 20% premium for 2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th Variations

iver johnson 32 top break, A letter code used on 1st, 2nd & 3rd models small frame safety automatic hammer revolver. need to know the patent date marking found on top of barrel, left side of barrel or bottom of butt strap also what kind of hammer spring flat leaf or coil?

bill
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dmacsilverado
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USA
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Posted - 05/08/2009 :  5:03:28 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank You b.goforth, you seem like your in your element here.
The Iver Johnson has 4 pat dates. the top of the barrel reads "Iver Johnsons Arms & Cycle works Fitchburg Mass USA, Patd Apr.6.86. Feb.15.87. May.10.87. Aug.25.96. Pats Pending"- it has a flat spring
The 922 only has markings on the left side of the barrel (company name/city/model#) and none of the H&Rs have pat dates.
Do any H&R guns have pat dates?
The model 1905 I bought recently for $55. it has 90% of the nickle remaining, however the bore looks rough inside. is there an approximate value range for that?
P.S. there appears to be an aftermarket "x" at the end of the ser # for the model 999. is this an update that was done? the mark is off center. Thank You for all your answers.
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b.goforth
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Posted - 05/09/2009 :  1:06:42 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes some H&R firearms have patent date markings but not all.

MODEL 1905 MEDIUM SOLID FRAME DOUBLE ACTION
32 S&W CALIBER --------------------------------------------1905-1941
5 shot cylinder capacity, pull pin cylinder release, nickel finish (blue optional) 2, 4 or 6 inch barrel lengths, hard rubber Target Logo grips, marked with company name and address on left side of barrel and on top strap in two lines H&R DOUBLE ACTION MODEL 1905 .32 CAL. After 1930 listed in catalogs as: H&R MODEL 5 DOUBLE ACTION No. 90 .32 S&W CALIBER 5 shot
VALUE: 100%=$225 60%=$65

the iver johnson top break is a early second model safety automatic hammer revolver manufactured in 1897. of all the revolvers you have listed this is the only one you should never fire.
SECOND MODEL SAFETY AUTOMATIC HAMMER REVOLVER
(Black Powder Cartridges)------------1896-1908
LARGE FRAME AND SMALL FRAME VERSIONS USES HAMMER THE HAMMER ACTION: Double top post barrel latch, nickel finish standard, blue optional, hard rubber grip panels with Owls head at top. Hammer the Hammer action, two frame sizes, and three calibers. Standard barrel length: small frame 3 inches, large frame 3 inches; Calibers: small frame .22 rimfire 7 rounds cylinder capacity, .32 centerfire 5 rounds cylinder capacity, large frame .38 centerfire 5 rounds cylinder capacity; Weight: small frame with 3 inch barrel .22 rimfire 12 ounces, .32 centerfire 12 ounces, large frame with 3 inch barrel 17 ounces; Frame height: small frame 3 inches, large frame 3 7/8 inches; Frame length: small frame 4 3/26 inches, large frame 5 inches; Overall length: small frame with 3 inch barrel 6 3/8 inches, large frame with 3 inch barrel 7 3/8 inches. Only difference between the first and second model is the barrel latch. Main serial number location on left side of grip frame grips must be removed to see. The Second Model features a double top post barrel latch, flat leaf hammer spring and two cross pins in the lower frame.
VALUE: 100%=$275 60%=$135
For revolvers equipped with Bourne Knuckleduster add 100%

i have no idea of what the X on the M999 might indicate. the barrel marking on the M922 are typical for those manufactured in the 1937 to 1939 era

bill

Edited by - b.goforth on 05/09/2009 1:08:37 PM
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dmacsilverado
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USA
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Posted - 05/09/2009 :  1:49:35 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Bill.
I don't plan on firing either .32 cal. The IJ was a handme-down from grandpa. I appreciate the info alot. I saw you are writing a book on H&R's, I can't wait for the opportunity to buy it.
You've got a friend in PA,
Dale
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