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Wulfmann
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 Posted - 05/22/2009 : 11:41:11 AM
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I was listening to ManCow Muller on his morning radio show and he did water boarding by a Marine with paramedics standing by live on the air.
He lasted maybe two seconds dropping his cow doll as the signal he gave up.
He is no anti torture guy but said the feeling was so horrific he had to say it was torture.
That tells me it is a useful technique and it should be used when interrogating terrorist subjects.
It causes mental distress but does no permanent harm.
Oooooooooooo, we scared the misunderstood terrorist!!!!
Of course there are those here that might believe nicely asking is all the interrogating we should do but I politely disagree with these girlymen.
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RogueStatesman
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 11:44:54 AM
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Torture of that minimum amount of terror should be allowed if it produces results to save lives. According to many reports I've seen, it does work and should be employed to uncover terror plots that are sure to kill us all, if they are detected.
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callcameron
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 11:46:48 AM
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mike55
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 11:51:58 AM
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There are a few piss of crap people in this world that should have NO rights and these terrorist are some of those few. I don't give a crap if they cut them up in little pieces and make them eat it as long as it saves lives. Now that said I don't think that torture should be used on anyone but the most extreme of enemies and not on suspected enemies. You and I both know that there is enough intelligence out there to know who knows something and who doesn't. I think the ones in the know and the ones that are proven terrorist should have a "no holds barred" interrogation.
And before I get my bashing, I'm sure it's coming, think about what they do to our troops, civilians, ect. Remember 9-11.
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dheffley
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 11:56:32 AM
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Flying Clay Disk
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 11:57:01 AM
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| I'm sure it must be more effective than what it seems. As a SCUBA diver I've trained to deal with water in all kinds of scenarios (losing masks, fouling a regulator, running out of air, etc). Rule number one is don't panic. I just can't picture how placing a wet rag over someones face and then pouring water on it can induce this much fear. However, like I said, there must be more to it. |
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callcameron
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 12:01:36 PM
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Originally posted by Flying Clay Disk
I'm sure it must be more effective than what it seems. As a SCUBA diver I've trained to deal with water in all kinds of scenarios (losing masks, fouling a regulator, running out of air, etc). Rule number one is don't panic. I just can't picture how placing a wet rag over someones face and then pouring water on it can induce this much fear. However, like I said, there must be more to it.
I think that it has something to do with the fact that most people have become accustomed to BREATHING. I've been doing it as long as I can remember. Oxygen doesn't really matter until you aren't getting any. |
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HappyNanoq
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 12:05:39 PM
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Originally posted by callcameron
They need to carry out a couple of wet, dead bodies though, right past the one going in. Make it a little more believable that you might actually die.
Which is a definate risk, if the technique is not used properly.
Why else would the paramedics be standing by.? |
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jeffb1911
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 12:12:08 PM
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HappyNanoq
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 12:14:39 PM
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So, it wasn't really water - and wasn't really torture. And he's lying about it being torture.
Got it.!
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cartod
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 12:14:53 PM
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The paramedics were standing by incase they accidentally drowned this Mancow. I have been around water my entire life, not knowing if you are going to be able to get that next breath can enstill a whole new kind of fear called "immenent death". Sucking water into your lungs can also be a very eye opening experience.
I would say that it is a form a mental torture, and I would use it on someone if they knew where my child were being held hostage. |
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Colonel Plink
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 12:15:55 PM
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That's why you don't see many radio personalities in combat.
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HappyNanoq
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 12:19:13 PM
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I would say that it is a form a mental torture, and I would use it on someone if they knew where my child were being held hostage.
I guess I would use a ball-peen hammer on their toes, knees... and you know the direction that would make sence.
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Flying Clay Disk
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 12:23:00 PM
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I can think of a better torture than this...
Make 'em stand a foot deep, barefoot, on river rock in spring runoff in a mountain river. About 34 degrees and pain beyond imagination. No sitting down and they can move around all they want, but just not leave the water.
They'll talk...and PRONTO too!
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War Pig Actual
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 12:30:32 PM
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cnsay
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 12:42:27 PM
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What happens if one of our boys gets captured and the enemy waterboards him? Is that ok?
I seem to remember them burning, dragging behind cars, and beheading the ones they have captured. I would think waterboarding is not extreme enough to be on their list of things to do. |
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mike55
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 12:43:23 PM
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What happens if one of our boys gets captured and the enemy waterboards him? Is that ok?
DING DING DING
Thant's just it, no he won't be water boarded, they'll just cut his head off with a dull knife on tv. These are the monsters that everyone is so quick to defend.
Never foget.
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War Pig Actual
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 12:46:07 PM
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| So we're just a little better than the terrorist in the way we treat captured enemies. |
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Doug Wilson
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 12:46:28 PM
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Originally posted by callcameron
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Originally posted by Flying Clay Disk
I'm sure it must be more effective than what it seems. As a SCUBA diver I've trained to deal with water in all kinds of scenarios (losing masks, fouling a regulator, running out of air, etc). Rule number one is don't panic. I just can't picture how placing a wet rag over someones face and then pouring water on it can induce this much fear. However, like I said, there must be more to it.
I think that it has something to do with the fact that most people have become accustomed to BREATHING. I've been doing it as long as I can remember. Oxygen doesn't really matter until you aren't getting any.
Which brings to mind other things about which that may be said.
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mike55
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 12:47:41 PM
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Now that's funny.
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cartod
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 12:48:42 PM
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What happens if one of our boys gets captured and the enemy waterboards him? Is that ok?
They wouldnt waste there time with water unless it was a wet sponge and electrodes. |
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mike55
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 12:50:44 PM
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So we're just a little better than the terrorist in the way we treat captured enemies.
Maybe we should go back to fighting like the british. If we had done the same as them back then, well me and you wouldn't be here right now. They thought we were cowards and not manly and was not fighting "fair", but we won didn't we. There is no "fair" fight. Fight, or war, is not a game it is not meant to be fair but only to win. If you don't win the it matters not how you lost, just that you lost. Some things must be won at all cost and this war is one of them.
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eastbank
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 12:52:05 PM
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| if one of our boys gets captured,waterboarding will be the least of his worries. (shot in the head,throut cut, head cut off while alive amoung other horrible ways to die). not one terrorist died from any actions at gitmo(they got fat and healthy from the food and medical care) and remember only three were waterboarded out of hundreds. i think alot of people (bleeding hearts) have gotten the hero,s mixed up with the villian,s. eastbank. |
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cartod
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 12:59:21 PM
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Correct me if I am wrong here but the technique of waterboarding goes something like this. Abdul is escorted into the room. Abdul is strapped to a board, mouth filled with water, celophane wrapped around his face, turned upside down and water is poured on him to simulate death. 30 seconds later Abdul sings like a canary.
Abdul returns to his "residence" for 3 squares and a cot.
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RtWngExtrmst
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 1:12:51 PM
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So we're just a little better than the terrorist in the way we treat captured enemies.
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War is not about "being better" than your enemy. It's about winning. The enemy should have 2 choices - surrender or die.
Where does all this nonsense talk come from about using torture being "unamerican"? What would George Patton do? Don't die for your country - make the other SOB die for his country.
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gruntled
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 1:29:10 PM
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Quite a few years ago I saw a program on television where they had a cop using a towel over the suspects face & pouring water on it.
It was a fictional story but was set in I seem to recall the 1930s.
That would seem to indicate that type of idea has been around for quite a while. |
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Barzillia
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 1:44:35 PM
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What happens if one of our boys gets captured and the enemy waterboards him? Is that ok?
The military training these days recognizes that there are some things that cannot be borne, and there is no shame in providing information if you have taken all that you can stand.
I do not understand the seeming surprise that befalls some people when they learn it can be hell to fall into the hands of the enemy as a POW.
Especially if the captors think a prisoner might have something of value, like information.
Sun Tsu suggests that the first course of action is to treat prisoners generously, if it can be done. He recommends offers of treasure and advantage to turn prisoners of worth.
My bet would be that such offers are routine whenever possible.
I think the current training for our troops is pretty common sense.
For high value prisoners, it is entirely up to them. Consequences to everything, including going to war against somebody. |
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War Pig Actual
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 2:06:01 PM
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| If John McCain was elected POTUS, he would be doing the same thing as President Obama on this issue. Then you patriots would be taking my point of view because you're partisan Americans. So with that being said, it is impossible to argue the validity of your opinions. |
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Wulfmann
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 2:11:21 PM
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The water boarding as done to ManCow Muller was:
He was placed flat on a table his feet were strapped down and he was angled back so his feet were above the level of his head.
He had a towel placed over his face and water was poured on it so he could not breath filling his mouth and nose with water.
He stated he thought he could last 20-30 seconds but gave up almost instantly and was scared.
He claimed he drowned as a kid and was revived so knew the feeling which is why he thought he could take it.
His experience confirms this is a nasty technique to use on anyone but I do not consider it torture because it simulates torture as compared to actually inflicting bodily harm.
To suggest we do not even make our enemies uncomfortable is beyond being a pansy, IMO.
Considering what they do to their own women and fellow countrymen that choose to change religions water boarding is an inconvenience as an interrogation technique.
War crimes are only committed by the losing side and you girlymen out there that think we are mean will be tortured by these same enemies unless, of course, you convert to Islam and I am guessing many of you pansies will do just that.
They will not surrender and they will not stop until we crush them or they overrun the world with their false religion (any religion forcibly imposed is certainly a false religion)
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thunderbolt
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 2:19:52 PM
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ruger41
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 2:27:14 PM
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To me torture is a waste of time--what they need to use is leverage. Use something that these dirtbags REALLY care about. Find their family, bring them up in front of them and tell them they have 3 minutes before a bullet goes in little Abdul's head or maybe the wifes--you don't even have to kill the person-just give the illusion of it with a gunshot behind a wall. They will either spill what they have or they are really true believers and will give you nothing-at that point you take them to prison or execute them.
My concern is what are we going to say when our people at home are pulled off the streets and tortured by JBT's...hope they practiced well? We are already seeing examples Jack Booted Thugery by LEO's so I guess it will come of no suprise when it becomes mainstream. |
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mike55
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 2:27:28 PM
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IF only. But still I would have the same opionion as I do now. McCain probably would be against it also but just because he is doesn't mean I am. This has nothing to do with Obama. You are the first one to mention his name.
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mike55
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 2:28:45 PM
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Going home now, ya'll have a good un.
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whiteclouder
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 2:45:43 PM
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Originally posted by gruntled
Quite a few years ago I saw a program on television where they had a cop using a towel over the suspects face & pouring water on it.
It was a fictional story but was set in I seem to recall the 1930s.
That would seem to indicate that type of idea has been around for quite a while.
Waterboarding was used in the Spanish Inquisition. Nothing new here.
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SG
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 2:59:07 PM
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Rocky4winds
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 3:30:46 PM
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Originally posted by Flying Clay Disk
I can think of a better torture than this...
Make 'em stand a foot deep, barefoot, on river rock in spring runoff in a mountain river. About 34 degrees and pain beyond imagination. No sitting down and they can move around all they want, but just not leave the water.
They'll talk...and PRONTO too!
They'll BEG to be waterboarded after that!!!
Can we give them a fly rod to make the torture more intense?? |
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Marc1301
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 3:56:14 PM
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I really don't know what the true definition is of "waterboarding" but when this first came up a few of us nuts tried it on each other.
We used the table and cloth with water being poured on the cloth.
One guy flipped out just like "fatso" in 2 seconds,.....another guy lasted about 30 seconds.
I lasted for about 4 minutes.
Most of it is fear, the rest is about controlling your breathing.
If you have ever used a Scott pak, or a gas mask, you must learn to breathe shallow. If you hyperventilate it's all over.
Many folks panic over the feeling of water flowing into their nose, and that is what causes the short outcomes.
I can hold my breath for an extended period of time, plus there is no law as far as I have read about the technique to blow the air out of your mouth forcefully, and then take a breath through the nose quickly. You must be able to handle swallowing some water without choking, and breathing at the same time.
I believe I could have gone longer, but the dolts started really pouring it to me after a couple minutes.
Yes,......we really did this to each other.
I have no issue with it being used on terrorists, and far worse things.
I also could care less what McCain thinks about this.
Some of you guys need to give it a try,......seriously!
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Aspen79se
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 4:01:18 PM
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A better article on it. Christopher Hitchens underwent waterboarding for Vanity Fair.
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/08/hitchens200808
Anyone championing the use of torture as an effective means of gaining information would do well to read up on it. I suggest "How to Break a Terrorist" by Matthew Alexander. |
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Marc1301
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 4:10:09 PM
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Originally posted by Aspen79se
A better article on it. Christopher Hitchens underwent waterboarding for Vanity Fair.
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/08/hitchens200808
Anyone championing the use of torture as an effective means of gaining information would do well to read up on it. I suggest "How to Break a Terrorist" by Matthew Alexander.
As you can see from the article,....he has several health issues, as well as "phobias."
Not a good choice to make a point from.
Have someone do it to you,.....I am totally serious. |
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Aspen79se
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 4:24:36 PM
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Originally posted by Aspen79se
A better article on it. Christopher Hitchens underwent waterboarding for Vanity Fair.
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/08/hitchens200808
Anyone championing the use of torture as an effective means of gaining information would do well to read up on it. I suggest "How to Break a Terrorist" by Matthew Alexander.
As you can see from the article,....he has several health issues, as well as "phobias."
Not a good choice to make a point from.
Have someone do it to you,.....I am totally serious.
Care to point out the health issues? Other than his age and smoking? He provided medical documentation stating he had none. Here's the quote from the article since you have a reading comprehension problem:
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For my current “handlers” I had had to produce a doctor’s certificate assuring them that I did not have asthma, but I wondered whether I should tell them about the 15,000 cigarettes I had inhaled every year for the last several decades.
He admits to having a phobia of drowning, news flash genius, every thing breathing oxygen does.
How about this from the agreement Mr. Hitchen's had to sign:
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Water boarding” is a potentially dangerous activity in which the participant can receive serious and permanent (physical, emotional and psychological) injuries and even death, including injuries and death due to the respiratory and neurological systems of the body.
I also take it you're exposure to interrogation extends to watch Fox News and episodes of "24". |
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MosinNagantDisciple
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 4:27:39 PM
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Aspen79se
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 4:30:34 PM
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Here's a link to another example. Daniel Levin, then acting assistant attorney general in the Bush administartion, underwent waterboarding as well.
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/DOJ/story?id=3814076&page=1
A quote from the article:
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According to retired Rear Adm. John Hutson, "There is no question this is torture --
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Marc1301
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 4:31:56 PM
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"Not to bore you with my phobias, but if I don’t have at least two pillows I wake up with acid reflux and mild sleep apnea, so even a merely supine position makes me uneasy. And, to tell you something I had been keeping from myself as well as from my new experimental friends, I do have a fear of drowning that comes from a bad childhood moment on the Isle of Wight, when I got out of my depth."
I tend to speed read through articles DS,.......I see he doesn't have asthma now.
He was 59 at the time, and also overweight, which means out of shape.
I don't watch 24 BTW, nor could I give a crap if you believe me or not.
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p3skyking
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 7:44:05 PM
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Originally posted by eastbank
i think alot of people (bleeding hearts) have gotten the hero,s mixed up with the villian,s. eastbank.
Would you prefer no heroes and all villians?
ManCow waterboarded live, now says its torture
As one who has been waterboarded, I've told you this before. All you brave guys that want to torture people need to line up and let me drown you. I'll stop after only two minutes if you haven't cried uncle by then. |
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p3skyking
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 7:55:07 PM
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Originally posted by Marc1301
I really don't know what the true definition is of "waterboarding" but when this first came up a few of us nuts tried it on each other.
We used the table and cloth with water being poured on the cloth.
One guy flipped out just like "fatso" in 2 seconds,.....another guy lasted about 30 seconds.
I lasted for about 4 minutes.
Most of it is fear, the rest is about controlling your breathing.
If you have ever used a Scott pak, or a gas mask, you must learn to breathe shallow. If you hyperventilate it's all over.
Many folks panic over the feeling of water flowing into their nose, and that is what causes the short outcomes.
I can hold my breath for an extended period of time, plus there is no law as far as I have read about the technique to blow the air out of your mouth forcefully, and then take a breath through the nose quickly. You must be able to handle swallowing some water without choking, and breathing at the same time.
I believe I could have gone longer, but the dolts started really pouring it to me after a couple minutes.
Yes,......we really did this to each other.
I have no issue with it being used on terrorists, and far worse things.
I also could care less what McCain thinks about this.
Some of you guys need to give it a try,......seriously!
You didn't do it right. You needed to be restrained with your hands tied at your side. Your head and body needed to be at a 20 degree head down attitude so gravity would pull the water into your mouth and nostrils. The towel needed to cover your whole face and drape down on both sides so it got heavy when it got saturated. The water would be poured continuously from about three or four feet above you. At 20 seconds it would stop. Five seconds later it would start again and go another 20 seconds. You would have five seconds to give up or it would start again. All the while, you are drowning. |
"and yes, I do believe a snake talked to Eve"
I wonder if he had a lisp?
"so what? they found another fossil that doesn't prove anyting to me or anyone else who believes in creation" --Superstitious, the GB Forum Clown
Some Christian faith websites:
http://www.geocentricity.com/
http://www.satansrapture.com/
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Barzillia
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 7:58:33 PM
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Originally posted by MosinNagantDisciple
Its sad how quickly we've abandoned the bill of rights. If torture is ok today, what next?
You are using a loaded term, equating torture with whatever technique is being discussed, with the implicit understanding that all torture is evil.
Obviously all torture is wrong, and should be condemned by all men everywhere. I can buy into that with no qualms whatsoever.
But what exactly is torture ?
Is all questioning under adverse circumstances torture ? |
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HeavyBarrel
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 8:05:38 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by p3skyking
quote:
Originally posted by eastbank
i think alot of people (bleeding hearts) have gotten the hero,s mixed up with the villian,s. eastbank.
Would you prefer no heroes and all villians?
ManCow waterboarded live, now says its torture
As one who has been waterboarded, I've told you this before. All you brave guys that want to torture people need to line up and let me drown you. I'll stop after only two minutes if you haven't cried uncle by then.
Drown=dead. |
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Marc1301
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 8:13:11 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by p3skyking
quote:
Originally posted by Marc1301
I really don't know what the true definition is of "waterboarding" but when this first came up a few of us nuts tried it on each other.
We used the table and cloth with water being poured on the cloth.
One guy flipped out just like "fatso" in 2 seconds,.....another guy lasted about 30 seconds.
I lasted for about 4 minutes.
Most of it is fear, the rest is about controlling your breathing.
If you have ever used a Scott pak, or a gas mask, you must learn to breathe shallow. If you hyperventilate it's all over.
Many folks panic over the feeling of water flowing into their nose, and that is what causes the short outcomes.
I can hold my breath for an extended period of time, plus there is no law as far as I have read about the technique to blow the air out of your mouth forcefully, and then take a breath through the nose quickly. You must be able to handle swallowing some water without choking, and breathing at the same time.
I believe I could have gone longer, but the dolts started really pouring it to me after a couple minutes.
Yes,......we really did this to each other.
I have no issue with it being used on terrorists, and far worse things.
I also could care less what McCain thinks about this.
Some of you guys need to give it a try,......seriously!
You didn't do it right. You needed to be restrained with your hands tied at your side. Your head and body needed to be at a 20 degree head down attitude so gravity would pull the water into your mouth and nostrils. The towel needed to cover your whole face and drape down on both sides so it got heavy when it got saturated. The water would be poured continuously from about three or four feet above you. At 20 seconds it would stop. Five seconds later it would start again and go another 20 seconds. You would have five seconds to give up or it would start again. All the while, you are drowning.
I wish to be totally honest about this as I did do it.
We slanted a table with shims, but didn't check the angle. I feel certain it was less than 20 degrees though.
Water was poured from a sprinkler can with the nozzle removed so it was a solid stream. Probably poured from 2 feet, or less.
No restraints either.
Everything else was about the same as you describe. I didn't say it was pleasant by any means.
I was simply saying that anyone that was interested should try it.
As stated there was a huge difference in reaction among the few of us that did it.
Obviously I was not being held prisoner either, so "that" fear did not exist. I was giving my personal impression and nothing more. |
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Hunter Mag
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 8:49:16 PM
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4 minutes huh? Now that explains everything.
She said it was only 2 minutes. |
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Marc1301
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 8:54:49 PM
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Originally posted by Hunter Mag
4 minutes huh? Now that explains everything.
She said it was only 2 minutes.
Being hounded by an amateur comedian is REAL torture!
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acdodd
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 11:24:22 PM
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When I went through SERE school in the Navy they water boarded several of the people in the class.
Most of them said they would have sold their mother to stay off it again.
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