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wlfmn323
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Posted - 06/22/2009 :  10:37:21 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
talking to a buddy today and he is under the impression that lightening links are legal, and can be installed with no paperwork/tax, transfer stamp. i told him i didnt know but was unsure if this was true. anyone out there have any insight into this?

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Posted - 06/22/2009 :  10:53:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
He is WRONG!

Period.

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KEVD18
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Posted - 06/22/2009 :  10:55:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
your buddy is wrong and will go to jail for a very very long time.
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SCOUT5
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Posted - 06/22/2009 :  10:56:54 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What's a lightning link?
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Nwcid
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Posted - 06/22/2009 :  11:03:06 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A lighting link is a piece of metal that goes in the lower of an AR and give you the option of Safe and Full Auto. http://www.quarterbore.com/nfa/lightninglink.html

A lighting link IS the machine gun in this case. IF it is registered with the NFA then it is a legal LL. A registered LL can be LEGALLY placed in ANY AR since the LL IS the machine gun.

I believe the current price of registered LL is about $8-10,000.






Just a thought Why would you ask members of a gun forum if you should buy a gun. Kinda like an alcoholic going into a bar to hoping to have someone tell him not to drink.

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SCOUT5
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Posted - 06/22/2009 :  11:09:21 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Nwcid

A lighting link is a piece of metal that goes in the lower of an AR and give you the option of Safe and Full Auto. http://www.quarterbore.com/nfa/lightninglink.html

A lighting link IS the machine gun in this case. IF it is registered with the NFA then it is a legal LL. A registered LL can be LEGALLY placed in ANY AR since the LL IS the machine gun.

I believe the current price of registered LL is about $8-10,000.









Thanks, I figured it was something r/t full auto.
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D1
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Posted - 06/22/2009 :  11:16:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I did not need to see that.
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mark christian
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Posted - 06/22/2009 :  11:19:16 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is my own "Link" installed in a lower receiver. The neat thing about the "link" is that you can switch it around to any lower that you wish, giving you the option of having any number of full auto AR-15 rifles.


With the "Link" in the lower the machine gun takes precedence over the short barreled rifle and you can match any upper to a "Linked Lower" with no concerns for barrel length.

Edited by - mark christian on 06/22/2009 11:52:13 PM
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wlfmn323
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Posted - 06/22/2009 :  11:20:56 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
yeah, thats what i thought. he was talking about getting one from a guy he works with for a couple hundred. "its all up and up" he says. i hope he listens to reason and has no part of it. on the off chance(very OFF CHANCE) that the thing is registered( sometimes you run across someone who dont know what things are worth) it would have to be transferred through a class III, right?

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wlfmn323
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Posted - 06/22/2009 :  11:22:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mark christian

Here is my own "Link" installed in a lower receiver. The neat thing about the "link" is that you can switch it around to any lower that you wish, giving you the option of having any number of full auto AR-15 rifles.

With the "Link" in the lower the machine gun takes precedence over the short barreled rifle and you can match any upper to a "Linked Lower" with no concerns for barrel length.




dam it, now ya got me drooling on my keyboard.

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"looks like a mauser to me" (dallas police officer)

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Edited by - wlfmn323 on 06/22/2009 11:23:13 PM
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Nwcid
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Posted - 06/22/2009 :  11:24:55 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by wlfmn323

yeah, thats what i thought. he was talking about getting one from a guy he works with for a couple hundred. "its all up and up" he says. i hope he listens to reason and has no part of it. on the off chance(very OFF CHANCE) that the thing is registered( sometimes you run across someone who dont know what things are worth) it would have to be transferred through a class III, right?



IF it was registered and both parties are in the same state you can do a Form 4 by yourself and dont need to go thought a dealer.

If it is not registered it is worth $250,000 and 20 years in club fed.



Just a thought Why would you ask members of a gun forum if you should buy a gun. Kinda like an alcoholic going into a bar to hoping to have someone tell him not to drink.

Anyone who would sacrifice freedom for security deserves neither!!!

Gun control defined: The theory that people who are willing to ignore laws against rape, torture, kidnapping, theft, and murder will obey a law which prohibits them from owning a firearm.

What are MG's for?
Because if you are going to cry out, "Say Hello To My Little Fren" and you are holding a bolt action .22, you have no style.

John
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wlfmn323
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Posted - 06/22/2009 :  11:25:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by thermonuclear

It's always up and up til the cell door slams shut... I would avoid going shooting with him at all cost!

Is this an NFA item? I would like to have one...



yeah, i think maybe a "not if your gonna take that" or a "how about we get my a.r. out, havent shot it for a day or two" would be in order. like i said i hope he listens to reason, heck for all i know he might be fixen to by a very expensive hellfire!

DEO GRATIAS!

fear the government that fears its people
fear the government with greater firepower (unknown)

"looks like a mauser to me" (dallas police officer)

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. (Unknown)

Edited by - wlfmn323 on 06/22/2009 11:27:01 PM
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Nwcid
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Posted - 06/22/2009 :  11:26:09 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mark I borrowed the LL pic off line on a pic search. Had no idea it was yours. Looks like I picked well



Just a thought Why would you ask members of a gun forum if you should buy a gun. Kinda like an alcoholic going into a bar to hoping to have someone tell him not to drink.

Anyone who would sacrifice freedom for security deserves neither!!!

Gun control defined: The theory that people who are willing to ignore laws against rape, torture, kidnapping, theft, and murder will obey a law which prohibits them from owning a firearm.

What are MG's for?
Because if you are going to cry out, "Say Hello To My Little Fren" and you are holding a bolt action .22, you have no style.

John
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KEVD18
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Posted - 06/22/2009 :  11:29:06 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
if he can buy registered lightning links for a few hundred, i'll take as many as i can get and pay him a 10% finders fee.

they normally sell for thousands. oh, and if he paychs for it and walks out the door with it, it likely isnt legal as the proper(legal) process takes motnhs and a crap ton of paperwork
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wlfmn323
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Posted - 06/22/2009 :  11:30:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
so long as it doesnt get poofed, i plan on showing him this thread tommorrow. thanks y'all

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fear the government with greater firepower (unknown)

"looks like a mauser to me" (dallas police officer)

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mark christian
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Posted - 06/22/2009 :  11:36:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Nwcid

Mark I borrowed the LL pic off line on a pic search. Had no idea it was yours. Looks like I picked well






Different serial numbers. The M15 A.C. is not the serial number, it was SWD's desgination for their "Link". The actual serial number was electro-penciled ahead of that number and mine is obscured (in grey) for security reasons. They all look the same, only the numbers are different. The good folks at Colt took an extra step to be sure that no Link could be installed in their later AR-15 rifles by filling in the space needed to mount the "Link" at the rear of the lower:





This also prevents the use of a Drop In Auto Sear.

Edited by - mark christian on 06/22/2009 11:44:43 PM
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Survivalist86
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Posted - 06/22/2009 :  11:41:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just curious, but couldn't you make one with a Dremmel and a hack saw? I am not sure what it is, but it looks pretty simple

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mark christian
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Posted - 06/22/2009 :  11:46:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Survivalist86

Just curious, but couldn't you make one with a Dremmel and a hack saw? I am not sure what it is, but it looks pretty simple



Prior to 1986 you could and many people did. Plans for building your own LL were sold at gun shows as well as through mail order for a few bucks. Those days are done and they are not coming back .
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cnsay
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Posted - 06/23/2009 :  01:28:38 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I just want to say I'm in awe of Mark's firearms collection and knowledge.



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Nwcid
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Posted - 06/23/2009 :  02:15:01 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mark christian

quote:
Originally posted by Nwcid

Mark I borrowed the LL pic off line on a pic search. Had no idea it was yours. Looks like I picked well






Different serial numbers. The M15 A.C. is not the serial number, it was SWD's desgination for their "Link". The actual serial number was electro-penciled ahead of that number and mine is obscured (in grey) for security reasons.



Well the pic I posted looks like the exact same pic as the one you posted stating "Here is my own...." so that is why I assumed it was yours.


Just a thought Why would you ask members of a gun forum if you should buy a gun. Kinda like an alcoholic going into a bar to hoping to have someone tell him not to drink.

Anyone who would sacrifice freedom for security deserves neither!!!

Gun control defined: The theory that people who are willing to ignore laws against rape, torture, kidnapping, theft, and murder will obey a law which prohibits them from owning a firearm.

What are MG's for?
Because if you are going to cry out, "Say Hello To My Little Fren" and you are holding a bolt action .22, you have no style.

John
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givette
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Posted - 06/23/2009 :  03:18:28 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Do you have to own the host firearm? Thanks, Joe



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drobs
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Posted - 06/23/2009 :  03:39:55 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mark christian
The good folks at Colt took an extra step to be sure that no Link could be installed in their later AR-15 rifles by filling in the space needed to mount the "Link" at the rear of the lower:





This also prevents the use of a Drop In Auto Sear.



Are there any current new manufacturers that have receivers that allow for the legal install of a LL?



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Nwcid
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Posted - 06/23/2009 :  04:49:43 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by drobs



Are there any current new manufacturers that have receivers that allow for the legal install of a LL?



I believe that Colt was the ONLY one to ever put in a block. Unless you have a block like either of the 2 posted in those pics you are good to go.




Just a thought Why would you ask members of a gun forum if you should buy a gun. Kinda like an alcoholic going into a bar to hoping to have someone tell him not to drink.

Anyone who would sacrifice freedom for security deserves neither!!!

Gun control defined: The theory that people who are willing to ignore laws against rape, torture, kidnapping, theft, and murder will obey a law which prohibits them from owning a firearm.

What are MG's for?
Because if you are going to cry out, "Say Hello To My Little Fren" and you are holding a bolt action .22, you have no style.

John
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wittynbear
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Posted - 06/23/2009 :  04:54:11 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You can still get a hand crank and bolt it on to your rifle. Technically then its not a full auto, the crank is just helping you to fire very fast. Either way it wastes too much ammo. Istick to semi auto 1 shot 1 kill.


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mark christian
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Posted - 06/23/2009 :  08:25:49 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What happened to some of my photos? The photobucket link is disabled and I don't understand why. This computer stuff drives me nuts!

Edited by - mark christian on 06/23/2009 08:26:37 AM
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wlfmn323
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Posted - 06/23/2009 :  7:07:34 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
thanks again folks, i have showed this thread to him and he has changed his mind. also after he seen it and described it to me as" kinda like a c with a spring and paddle that goes on the trigger"

i was right! someone was trying to sell him a hellfire, or like item for " a couple hundred dollars"! i took him out and we practiced bumpfiring today. had fun and he is happy. good day i would say.

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fear the government with greater firepower (unknown)

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aloha
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I do not understand why on earth anybody would pay THOUSANDS for a tiny piece of metal when it seems much more easy to simply build one your self. What is the big deal with finding a template and building your own? However I do not know very much about the LL so perhaps I am mistaken but it looks like it would be pretty simple to make anyway..
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quote:
Originally posted by aloha

I do not understand why on earth anybody would pay THOUSANDS for a tiny piece of metal when it seems much more easy to simply build one your self. What is the big deal with finding a template and building your own? However I do not know very much about the LL so perhaps I am mistaken but it looks like it would be pretty simple to make anyway..



Wow, way to sneak in a loaded question in your first post here. That's never happened before.

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9 month old thread, spammer?
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Flying Clay Disk
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Posted - 03/20/2010 :  7:37:08 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by aloha

I do not understand why on earth anybody would pay THOUSANDS for a tiny piece of metal when it seems much more easy to simply build one your self. What is the big deal with finding a template and building your own? However I do not know very much about the LL so perhaps I am mistaken but it looks like it would be pretty simple to make anyway..



You go right on ahead with your bad self!

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quote:
Originally posted by proapp

9 month old thread, spammer?
Must be a slow week.

Looks like someone has time to pore through the archives and go fishing.
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