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~Mr. Colt .45~
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Posted - 10/10/2009 :  10:24:38 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The wife told me to day that she wants to harvest her first buck this year. But i cant get her to shoot my .270 or .32 WIN Spec cause she says it has to much recoil. I personally think that the .32's recoil is very pleasnt. My friend has a TC Encore .243 and she wont shoot that either. So what is a good cailber for her that is leagle to hunt deer with, and has less recoil than, lets say a 30-30? Can you hunt with a .223? Also note that she will shoot almost any handgun, and does it pretty well. Its just the recoil against her shoulder that she doesn't like. I got her to shoot my .20GA one time and she said that was to much, but she will shoot my .22 mag all day long. I look forward to hear your ideas.

ruger41
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Posted - 10/10/2009 :  10:28:25 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You need to find out what the legal minimum for your state is--most states is .24 caliber and up so .223 is out for most states and IMO a little on the light side for deer--although people have killed deer with them. If a .243 is too much MAYBE she either needs more range time, and a quality recoil pad as the .243 isn't that much of a shoulder buster. You could also go with a H&R single shot or Marlin/Winchester levergun in .44 Mag as those are light recoiling in a rifle but have enough punch to kill a deer at 150 yards easy/


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Winchester 1912
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Posted - 10/10/2009 :  10:29:34 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
25-06?
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owen219
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Posted - 10/10/2009 :  10:29:35 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
She is missing out on the .270 in my opinion. explain to her about the hazards of wounding a deer and an inhumane killing of an animal. The .270 doesn't have that much recoil and you could add a Limb Saver recoil pad to reduce it by 50%. I have a permantely broken shoulder and I shoot the .270 because of it.
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carbine100
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Posted - 10/10/2009 :  10:31:15 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wish I could make a trade like that!

Have you tried the managed recoil loads Remington put out for the 270?

Have you considered putting a muzzle brake on the 270? A lot cheaper than a new rifle.

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hk-91
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Posted - 10/10/2009 :  10:31:21 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
here in ND it it just has to be a center fire of 22 cal or larger. I have taken alot of deer with a 223 but shot placement is the key. She'll do alot better with a gun she can control then a larger cal that she's scared to shoot.
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savage170
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Posted - 10/10/2009 :  10:34:41 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote



Rifle Recoil Table
By Chuck Hawks



For an expanded version of this table showing a great many more calibers and loads including British, European, wildcat, obsolescent American and proprietary calibers, see the "Expanded Rifle Recoil Table" on the Tables, Charts and Lists Page.

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction; that is one of the physical laws of our universe. This means that the momentum of a rifle's reaction will exactly equal the momentum of the bullet and powder gasses ejected from the barrel. In the shooting sports we call that reaction recoil or "kick." It can be measured or computed empirically, and has been for this recoil table.

However, perceived recoil, what the shooter feels, is a highly subjective matter. It is influenced by many factors. One of the most important of these is the fit and shape of the rifle stock. A good recoil pad can help soften the blow to the shooter's shoulder. Gas-operated semi-automatic actions reduce apparent recoil by spreading it over a longer period of time. These sorts of things cannot be accounted for in a recoil table. Also, please understand that there are dozens of loads for any given bullet weight in any cartridge that will produce the same velocity, but a different amount of recoil. So the figures in any recoil table should be taken as approximate. Never-the-less, the table below should give a reasonably accurate comparison of the recoil of most popular rifle cartridges.



In the table below rifle weight is given in pounds, free recoil energy is given in foot pounds, and free recoil velocity is given in feet-per-second. All recoil values have been rounded off to one decimal place.

The recoil energy and recoil velocity figures are taken from various sources including the recoil nomograph in the Handloader's Digest 8th Edition, various online recoil calculators, the Remington Shoot! program or calculated from the formula given in the Lyman Reloading Handbook, 43rd Edition.




Cartridge (Wb@MV) Rifle Weight Recoil energy Recoil velocity
.17 HMR (17 at 2550) 7.5 0.2 n/a
.204 Ruger (33 at 4225) 8.5 2.6 4.4
.22 LR (40 at 1165) 4.0 0.2 n/a
.22 WMR (40 at 1910) 6.75 0.4 n/a
.22 Hornet (45 at 2800) 7.5 1.3 3.3
.222 Rem. (50 at 3200) 7.5 3.0 5.1
.223 Rem. (55 at 3200) 8.0 3.2 5.1
.223 Rem. (62 at 3025) 7.0 3.9 6.0
.22-250 Rem. (55 at 3600) 8.5 4.7 6.0
.220 Swift (55 at 3800) 8.5 5.3 6.4
.223 WSSM (55 at 3850) 7.5 6.4 7.4
.243 Win. (75 at 3400) 8.5 7.2 7.4
.243 Win. (100 at 2960) 7.5 8.8 8.7
6mm Rem. (100 at 3100) 8.0 10.0 9.0
.243 WSSM (100 at 3100) 7.5 10.1 9.3
.240 Wby. Mag. (100 at 3406) 8.0 17.9 n/a
.25-35 Win. (117 at 2230) 6.5 7.0 8.3
.250 Savage (100 at 2900) 7.5 7.8 8.2
.257 Roberts (120 at 2800) 8.0 10.7 9.3
.25 WSSM (120 at 2990) 7.25 13.8 11.1
.25-06 Rem. (120 at 3000) 8.0 12.5 10.0
.257 Wby. Mag. (120 at 3300) 9.25 15.1 10.3
6.5x55 Swede (140 at 2650) 9.0 10.6 8.7
.260 Rem. (120 at 2860) 7.5 13.0 10.6
6.5mm-284 Norma (140 at 2920) 8.0 14.7 10.9
6.5mm Rem. Mag. (120 at 3100) 8.0 13.1 10.3
6.5x68 S (140 at 2990) 8.5 16.8 11.3
.264 Win. Mag. (140 at 3200) 8.5 19.2 12.1
6.8mm Rem. SPC (115 at 2625) 7.5 8.0 8.3
.270 Win. (130 at 3140) 8.0 16.5 n/a
.270 Win. (150 at 2900) 8.0 17.0 11.7
.270 WSM (150 at 3000) 8.0 18.9 12.3
.270 Wby. Mag. (150 at 3000) 9.25 17.8 11.1
7x57 Mauser (139 at 2500) 8.0 10.5 9.2
7x57 Mauser (139 at 2800) 8.0 14.0 10.6
7mm-08 Rem. (140 at 2860) 8.0 12.6 10.1
7x64 (154 at 2850) 8.0 17.9 n/a
.280 Rem. (140 at 3000) 8.0 17.2 11.8
7mm Rem. SAUM (160 at 2931) 8.0 21.5 13.2
7mm WSM (160 at 3000) 8.0 21.9 13.3
7mm Rem. Mag. (150 at 3100) 8.5 19.2 12.1
7mm Wby. Mag. (140 at 3300) 9.25 19.5 11.7
7mm STW (160 at 3185) 8.5 27.9 14.6
7mm Ultra Mag. (160 at 3200) 8.5 29.4 n/a
.30 Carbine (110 at 1990) 7.0 3.5 5.7
.30-30 Win. (150 at 2400) 7.5 10.6 9.5
.30-30 Win. (170 at 2200) 7.5 11.0 9.7
.300 Sav. (150 at 2630) 7.5 14.8 n/a
.307 Win. (150 at 2600) 7.5 13.7 10.9
.308 Marlin Express (160 at 2660) 8.0 13.4 10.4
.308 Win. (150 at 2800) 7.5 15.8 11.7
.308 Win. (180 at 2610) 8.0 17.5 11.9
.30-06 Spfd. (150 at 2910) 8.0 17.6 11.9
.30-06 Spfd. (180 at 2700) 8.0 20.3 12.8
.300 Rem. SAUM (180 at 2960) 8.25 23.5 13.6
.300 WSM (180 at 2970) 8.25 23.8 13.6
.300 Win. Mag. (180 at 2960) 8.5 25.9 14.0
.300 Wby. Mag. (150 at 3400) 9.25 24.6 13.1
.300 Ultra Mag. (180 at 3230) 8.5 32.8 15.8
7.62x39 Soviet (125 at 2350) 7.0 6.9 8.0
7.62x54R Russian (174 at 2600) 9.0 15.0 10.4
.303 British (180 at 2420) 8.0 15.4 11.1
.32 Spec. (170 at 2250) 7.0 12.2 10.6
8x57 Mauser (170 at 2400) 8.0 13.6 10.4
8x57JS Mauser (195 at 2500) 8.0 18.5 12.2
.325 WSM (180 at 3060) 7.5 33.1 16.9
8x68 S (150 at 3300) 8.5 25.3 13.9
8mm Rem. Mag. (200 at 2900) 8.5 32.9 15.8
.338 Marlin Express (200 at 2400) 8.0 16.2 11.4
.338-57 O'Connor (200 at 2400) 8.0 19.2 12.4
.338 Federal (210 at 2630) 8.0 21.9 13.3
.338-06 A-Square (250 at 2500) 8.5 28.2 14.6
.338 Win. Mag. (200 at 2950) 8.5 32.8 15.8
.338 Win. Mag. (250 at 2700) 9.0 33.1 15.4
.340 Wby. Mag. (200 at 3100) 10.0 29.6 13.8
.338 Ultra Mag (250 at 2860) 8.5 43.1 n/a
.357 Mag. (158 at 1650) 7.0 4.7 6.6
.35 Rem. (200 at 2050) 7.5 13.5 10.8
.358 Win. (200 at 2490) 8.0 20.9 13.0
.35 Whelen (200 at 2675) 8.0 22.6 13.5
.350 Rem. Mag. (200 at 2700) 8.5 22.3 13.0
9.3x62 (270 at 2550) 8.5 33.3 n/a
9.3x74R (286 at 2400) 8.25 34.3 16.6
.375 Ruger (270 at 2840) 9.0 41.3 17.2
.375 H&H Mag. (270 at 2690) 9.0 36.1 16.1
.375 Ultra Mag (300 at 2800) 8.75 53.2 n/a
.378 Wby. Mag. (300 at 2900) 10.25 71.1 n/a
.405 Win. (300 at 2200) 8.0 30.6 15.7
.416 Rem. Mag. (400 at 2400) 10.0 52.9 18.5
.416 Rigby (400 at 2400) 10.0 58.1 19.3
.44 Rem. Mag. (240 at 1760) 7.5 11.2 9.8
.444 Marlin (240 at 2400) 7.5 23.3 14.2
.45 Colt (255 at 1100) 8.0 4.0 5.6
.450 Marlin (350 at 2000) 7.0 37.2 18.5
.45-70 (300 at 1800) 7.0 23.9 14.8
.45-70 (405 at 1330) 7.5 18.7 12.7
.458 Win. Mag. (500 at 2100) 9.0 62.3 21.1
.458 Lott (500 at 2300) 10.0 70.4 21.3
.460 Wby. Mag. (500 at 2600) 11.25 99.6 n/a
.470 N.E. (500 at 2150) 11.0 69.3 20.1
.50 BMG (647 at 2710) 30.0 70.0 12.3







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FrostDawg
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Posted - 10/10/2009 :  10:36:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I second recoil pads and muzzle brake/porting...if that is not an option then go for the .44 Mag carbine. Would one of the semi-autos have less felt recoil??

Shawn

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Fly Doctor
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Posted - 10/10/2009 :  10:38:10 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jonathan, I'd HIGHLY recommend that your wife check out the 7mm-08 caliber, if she's sensitive to recoil. It's the lightest recoiling hunting caliber I've fired, even compared to my .257 Ackley (which is about the same as a .25-06). It's a dandy caliber for deer and antelope sized game that's often recommended for the first-time child or woman hunter.
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hk-91
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Posted - 10/10/2009 :  10:38:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That and you can always tame down recoil. Hell i have a rem 700 in 300 win mag running hot rounds that kicks less then a 223.
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savage170
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Posted - 10/10/2009 :  10:40:20 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
a surplus swede makes a fine deer rifle
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guntech59
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Posted - 10/10/2009 :  10:44:10 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Get her a bolt action 6.5x55. 140gr at about 2600fps is easy on the shoulder.

My CG has a steel buttplate and the recoil is still easy. I imagine a commercial rifle with a good pad on it would make it fine for even s small framed woman.

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quote:
Originally posted by savage170

a surplus swede makes a fine deer rifle



Damn, you beat me to it.

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Barzillia
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Posted - 10/10/2009 :  10:56:42 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
7mm Mauser, or an SKS, might do the trick.

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D1
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Posted - 10/10/2009 :  10:59:44 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A good 7mm-08 with a Sims Vibration Labratories LIMBSAVER recoil pad. Anything else is just a piece of rubber. LIMBSAVERS WORK.
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~Mr. Colt .45~
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Posted - 10/10/2009 :  11:06:02 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i think i might go with a limbsaver, might be a cheap soulution,
i guess i better start looking for prices online. Ill just stick it on the .270 and make her go to the range with me and practice a little at 100yds.


Edited by - ~Mr. Colt .45~ on 10/10/2009 11:08:41 PM
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catman50plus
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Posted - 10/10/2009 :  11:11:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I would get her something in a 260 Remington or as mentioned a 6.5x55. They are about the same, and very good shooters. Some will say too light for deer, but the funny thing is that they have been used to kill moose in Sweden for many years. They have very little recoil, and very accurate. I am building one for my 10 year old daughter now, and one for myself, since I too have bad shoulders.
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joshmb1982
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Posted - 10/10/2009 :  11:18:31 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
id agree with others that a better recoil pad is probly the best way to go. i have 2 30/06 rifles. ones a sportorized 1903 the other is a mauser 98 that was rechambered. the 1903 KILLS my shoulder. i can stand to put mabye 20rds thgought it and im done for the day. the mauser has a much nicer pad on it and i can shoot that all day long.
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montanajoe
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Posted - 10/10/2009 :  11:35:39 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My wife has a rem 270 and loves it.

a 243 or 223 is good on whitetail but not the really long shots as they will loose alot of energy. I agree on the reply of missing out on the270 and suggest a limbsaver slip on recoil pad. They really do work great, and you won't be modifying your stock. Just .02 mworth. Best to you both. Let us know what she ends up with.


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storm6490
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Posted - 10/10/2009 :  11:48:31 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
benelli r1 in a 30-06 has very low recoil and your wife will be proud of it.

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D1
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Posted - 10/10/2009 :  11:51:04 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What kind of .270n do you have for her to shoot?
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godalejr
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Posted - 10/11/2009 :  08:09:24 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
27o witha 30.00 limbsaver pad
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iwannausername
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Posted - 10/11/2009 :  08:19:46 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by FrostDawg

I second recoil pads and muzzle brake/porting...if that is not an option then go for the .44 Mag carbine. Would one of the semi-autos have less felt recoil??



My wife love to shoot my Ruger 44 carbine, as does my 9 year old daughter. Wife thinks the Yugo SKS is too heavy, her prob. is with carpal tunnel and supporting the rifle.

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quickmajik
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i hunt with both the .223remington/5.56 and 6.8SPC.. they will kill deer well, but shot placement needs to be in the vitals.

here is a couple of good carbines for deer hunting or anything else.
6.8
http://www.GunBroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=142198158
http://www.GunBroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=142885353

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SCOUT5
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Posted - 10/11/2009 :  08:33:31 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You already have a .270. Remington sells a low recoil load in a 115gr bullet that is a 200 yards cartridge and really with good shot placement shouod be good to 300 yards. Order a box of these, put a limbsaver recoil pad on the .270 and see what she thinks of it. Could save a little money.
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~Mr. Colt .45~
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Posted - 10/11/2009 :  09:03:57 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by D1

What kind of .270n do you have for her to shoot?




Ruger M77 Mark 2 Black/Stainless

Also I checked the Arkansas Game And Fish hunting handbook last night and was trying to find what is legal to hunt with.


C&P from AGFC website

Legal hunting equipment for deer season

Modern Gun

All modern guns may be used for deer hunting during modern gun season with the following exceptions. You may not use:

• buckshot in a .410 shotgun.

• shot smaller than No. 4 buckshot in any shotgun.

• rimfire cartridges, military or full metal jacketed ammunition.

any centerfire rifle or pistol smaller than .22 caliber.

• handguns with barrels shorter than 4 inches. See illustration, right. In zones 4, 4B, 5 and 5B, modern guns are restricted to shotguns .410 or larger with slugs. Pistols having barrels that are no less than 4 inches nor longer than 10 inches in length chambered specifically for straight wall centerfire cartridge cases and hunting with lead, lead alloy, soft nose and/or hollow point bullets no less than .30 caliber in diameter also may be used. Muzzleloading rifles also are allowed.


I guess that means that a .223 is legal for deer in Arkansas.


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Barzillia
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quote:
Originally posted by iwannausername

quote:
Originally posted by FrostDawg

I second recoil pads and muzzle brake/porting...if that is not an option then go for the .44 Mag carbine. Would one of the semi-autos have less felt recoil??



My wife love to shoot my Ruger 44 carbine, as does my 9 year old daughter. Wife thinks the Yugo SKS is too heavy, her prob. is with carpal tunnel and supporting the rifle.



mmmmm...aren't there some AR type rifles chambered for 7.62 x 39 ?

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select-fire
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I shoot this cz 7.62x39 ( AK- 47) with either 125 or 154 soft points. Length of pull on it is 13.5/8". The gun is a carbine and short to swing in the treestand. It does not hardly kick. If it were to much you could install a limbsaver recoil pad. Ammo is cheap for the carbine. I bought thousands of rounds of wolf soft point.. enough to last my lifetime. They cost about .25cents a round. They do make the rifle in a pretty wood stock ( in which I have ). OR you could get her a gas operated automatic to tame the recoil. Just make sure the rifle FITS your wife or any rifle could be a problem on recoil.


Edited by - select-fire on 10/11/2009 09:34:52 AM
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RugerNiner
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If she won't shoot a 243 then tell her to stay home and clean the house.

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e8gm
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Felt recoil on the range and felt recoil in the field is two different things. On the range is she is anticipating the recoil and is scared of it. In the field she is concentrating on the deer and the shot and won't even feel the gun recoil.

How many of us that have harvested a deer can remember how much the gun kicked. With the adrenaline pumping she won't feel a thing.
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quickmajik
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quote:
Originally posted by Barzillia

quote:
Originally posted by iwannausername

quote:
Originally posted by FrostDawg

I second recoil pads and muzzle brake/porting...if that is not an option then go for the .44 Mag carbine. Would one of the semi-autos have less felt recoil??



My wife love to shoot my Ruger 44 carbine, as does my 9 year old daughter. Wife thinks the Yugo SKS is too heavy, her prob. is with carpal tunnel and supporting the rifle.



mmmmm...aren't there some AR type rifles chambered for 7.62 x 39 ?



Yes, Armalite, bushmaster, DPMS, Rock River Arms, and many other make AR-15 carbines and rifles in that chambering.

The Vz-58 imported by CZ might make a good folding brush gun as well. PRI and maybe others make optic mounts for the VZ58.
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tomahawk
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Posted - 10/11/2009 :  09:41:26 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
44 mag...357 mag.....7.62x39.... all low recoil



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frog21
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I use a 223 with blackhills, 52gr hps. You need to know the area your hunting,cause you usually won't have a blood trail.I haven't had any get away yet. Shoot them in the neck and they drop on the spot or you shoot em in the ribs and find them 30-40 yards away.
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D1
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Posted - 10/11/2009 :  2:30:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://www.limbsaver.com/pdfs/templates/10001.pdf


That's the one you need.

Also, I have a COLT AR-15 chambered in 7.62X39. I have been told that COLT's Firearm Co. only produced this rifle for two years.



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Originally posted by select-fire

Just make sure the rifle FITS your wife or any rifle could be a problem on recoil.


That, is the first key to recoil management. Something as simple as changing length of pull will make a tremendous difference.
Combine that with a caliber such as 257 Roberts, 6.5x55, 260, 7x57 or 7-08 and she would have a rifle she could enjoy.
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Posted - 10/11/2009 :  5:38:45 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
As long as she was able, my Mom LOVED her .243 BAR.

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Posted - 10/11/2009 :  5:43:36 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Remington 660 in 222
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Now my Mini-30 (7.62x39 )is gas operated and it kicks less.
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Thanks for all the help guys.


Edited by - ~Mr. Colt .45~ on 10/12/2009 11:46:17 AM
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I'm with Fly Doc: the 7-08 is an awesome deer cartridge, and easy on recoil. I have recently become a convert. However, if she doesn't like the .243 she won't like the 7-08, which is a heavier bullet in the same case. I'd draw the line there, and say she needs to either get used to recoil or quit wanting to hunt. The .223 can do the job, and would be fun to carry in a compact rifle, but would require too much finesse for a novice.
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Originally posted by Fly Doctor

Jonathan, I'd HIGHLY recommend that your wife check out the 7mm-08 caliber, if she's sensitive to recoil. It's the lightest recoiling hunting caliber I've fired, even compared to my .257 Ackley (which is about the same as a .25-06). It's a dandy caliber for deer and antelope sized game that's often recommended for the first-time child or woman hunter.



My suggestion also. Its perfect a very flat shooter out to 300-400 yards, 117 gr ammo, light recoil, ammo and reloading equipment is available and you can get one in a Savage or Stevens cheap.

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Originally posted by sig232

quote:
Originally posted by Fly Doctor

Jonathan, I'd HIGHLY recommend that your wife check out the 7mm-08 caliber, if she's sensitive to recoil. It's the lightest recoiling hunting caliber I've fired, even compared to my .257 Ackley (which is about the same as a .25-06). It's a dandy caliber for deer and antelope sized game that's often recommended for the first-time child or woman hunter.



My suggestion also. Its perfect a very flat shooter out to 300-400 yards, 117 gr ammo, light recoil, ammo and reloading equipment is available and you can get one in a Savage or Stevens cheap.



Or A Marlin XS7 Real nice rifle for 300.00
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swede 6.5 ,1st for me, smooth, light & pin point with 120/140gr s/p, with little damage to meat.
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Posted - 10/12/2009 :  5:17:39 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Another vote for the 6.5 x 55. Both my boys started hunting with this caliber at age 10. Excellent BC and SD.


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