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range
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 Posted - 11/04/2009 : 9:57:00 PM
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| any feed back on the tarus revolver that shoots buck shot and 45? |
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rufe-snow
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Posted - 11/04/2009 : 10:17:08 PM
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| Had the longer barrel stainless version for a while. With shotgun shells, either my reloads or factory shells it wouldn't pattern past 5 yards. My 45 Colt reloads were only accurate with light loads out to about 15 yards. Because of this I feel it's more a novelty gun more then something that has any real world practical value. IMHO you would be a lot better off with something else, it's popularity is based more advertising hype then anything else. |
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beantownshootah
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USA
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 12:16:45 AM
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Originally posted by range
any feed back on the tarus revolver that shoots buck shot and 45?
I agree with Rufe.
I've never owned one of these, but I've seen them shot at the range, and have been pretty unimpressed.
In my opinion, this is a novelty gun with minimal "real world" application for defense, hunting, or competition.
The shotshells spread their shot so widely that they quickly lose effectiveness past only a few yards, making this gun impractical for most hunting applications that call for a "real" shotgun.
Yes, you could use it as a "snakeshot" gun, or to kill small rodents at close range, but you could get the same effect or close to it using pistol shotshells in an ordinary .45LC or other large caliber revolver.
IMO, buckshot loads from a .410 are marginal for defense from a pistol. Getting 3 or 4 buckshot out per pull of the trigger SOUNDS attractive, but in reality each shot pellet is light in weight (only 65 grains each for OOO buckshot), partly compromised in velocity from the short pistol barrel, and not patterning well. I think you'd be better off with ordinary 45LC rounds.
In terms of accuracy, let just say if that's what you're after, there are better guns to choose from. The shallow rifling (for use with shot) and the extra-long bullet to forcing cone gap from the long shotgun cylinder combine to produce less than stellar accuracy with the pistol rounds. That basically eliminates this gun from consideration for serious target shooting or hunting.
Still, that doesn't make this gun "worthless". Entertainment value is a legitimate reason to own a gun, I think. If you want to toss clay targets or tin cans into the air and shoot them with a pistol at close range, this is your gun.
The gun *could* work as a combination anti-snake/anti-human gun, though as suggested above, I think there are better choices for that.
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gary wray
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 09:20:25 AM
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| Range...check this month's issue of Guns and Ammo for a test/review of one. I second the view of limited value of this pistol, and I certainly wouldn't want to stake my life on it protecting me. IMHO it would be good for snakes and such but my little .38 with shotshells does that job and doesn't weigh like a boat anchor. Plus, I guess it is just me, but the darn thing is butt ugly! I would save my $ and buy a real gun. Good shooting! |
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jonk
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 09:37:00 AM
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A cousin of mine shot a deer with one at 30 yards... must have been a lucky shot as the twice I've fired it I couldn't hit anything.
It has its uses. I'd almost rather load with #6 birdshot for defense and go for a face shot to shred eyes and such to incapacitate a perp than anything else, but then you'll get a 'cruel treatment' or some such if you fail to kill. |
"...hit your enemy in the belly, and kick him when he is down, and boil his prisoners in oil- if you take any- and torture his women and children. Then people will keep clear of you..." -Admiral of the Fleet Lord Fisher, speaking at the Hague Peace Conf |
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beantownshootah
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USA
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 10:38:35 AM
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Originally posted by jonk
A cousin of mine shot a deer with one at 30 yards... must have been a lucky shot as the twice I've fired it I couldn't hit anything.
It has its uses. I'd almost rather load with #6 birdshot for defense and go for a face shot to shred eyes and such to incapacitate a perp than anything else, but then you'll get a 'cruel treatment' or some such if you fail to kill.
In my opinion, that would not be the best tactical option with this gun.
What if your attacker were wearing sunglasses? What if he were to look away as you broke the shot? What if he managed to get his hand up in front of his eyes while you were pointing the gun? What if the wide pellet spread meant that despite good aim on your part, pellets missed one or both of his eyes?
If you want to blind your attacker, IMO you're better off with pepper spray or tear gas. These are cheaper, safer, tend to be more legal, fire a continous stream that can leak around glasses, and have far less attached liability. Hell, just carry a really bright flashlight.
Lets look at this differently. Since when is a .410 shotshell considered a good defensive load?
Answer. . .never. Out of a REAL shotgun (which is better than a pisol), its marginal for hunting DUCKS, for Pete's sake! No police or military unit issues this round for service use. No reputable defense expert that I am aware of recommends using this sort of load for self defense.
The only one touting it as a viable self defense load is the manufacturer of the gun, with some wild story about judges in Miami carrying it in their chambers. Guess what. . .I actually know several judges in South Florida. . .they carry guns. . .none of them carry the "Judge".
On buckshot. . .since when is .410 buckshot considered a good defensive load?
You get three (or maybe four) .36 caliber 70 grain lead balls that will launch at about 800 fps from the pistol. Compare to say, a .380 pistol that launches a 90 grain .36 caliber bullet 1000 fps, and you'll see that the .380 (which is itself considered marginal for defense) is significantly more powerful than the .410 buckshot.
On top of that, pellet spread means you won't get good accuracy with the buckshot load, and penetration is partly compromised by both the low sectional density of spherical lead balls and their relatively low weight.
Remember that with light-weight projectiles in particular, the limiting factor in defensive effectiveness is penetration. Making multiple shallow wounds doesn't help. . .you need to hit a vital organ.
Meanwhile, the .45LC will put out a .45 caliber 200 grain bullet at 1000 fps. In other words, you've got ONE bullet that puts out a total energy equal to ALL the buckshot put together, plus punches a larger diameter hole than each of them.
Again, in my opinion the best defensive round of out of this gun is the .45LC. .45LC is a PLENTY good round for defense. Maybe its not going to deliver pinpoint accuracy from this platform, but you wouldn't really need that in any defensive situation.
So this begs the question. If .410 shotshells are marginal to begin with (even from a real shotgun) and from this platform won't pattern properly past a few yards, and the buckshot shells aren't very good, and the best defensive round is the .45LC, then why not just get a "real" .45LC gun for defense?
And if you are looking at a .45LC (which again IS a pretty good round), then why not look at the ballistically similar (if not superior) .45 ACP or .44 special(/magnum)?
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