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ddhotbot
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 Posted - 11/06/2009 : 7:34:51 PM
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| i am going to build a long range target/hunting rifle in 308.would this action be good to build off of? |
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redhead71
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Posted - 11/06/2009 : 8:01:45 PM
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| they are a german 98k capture gun re-barreled to 308 strong actions but by far not the smoothest other actions are out their |
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ddhotbot
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Posted - 11/06/2009 : 8:16:27 PM
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| what action would you reccomend? thanks |
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sandwarrior
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USA
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Posted - 11/06/2009 : 8:33:36 PM
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Originally posted by redhead71
they are a german 98k capture gun re-barreled to 308 strong actions but by far not the smoothest other actions are out their
HUH??
The '98 action is as smooth as you get. Especially older ones. They are worn in. You're the one there with your rifle so work the action and see how smooth it is. I have one in .308 and .243 and they are smooth! My smoothest one is my 7x57 and that is my long range rifle. (I'd pick a better long range round if I were you)
If you are looking for tradition then a worn in 700 is good, but a 721/722 is better. I know this will bring howls of disaproval but the same thing applies to the post-'64 Winchester. Pre '64's are great too. But, who wants to spend a grand for an action? I'd buy a Savage for half that and have a better action. Which, BTW, is a great action to build a long range rifle on. Psst, they only won the international F-Class championships in Bisley England this past summer. Yep, stock rifles winning internationally....amazing huh? |
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Mobuck
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Posted - 11/06/2009 : 9:44:25 PM
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| Most of the Israeli rifles are pretty used up. I would go with a Savage 110 if I was doing it. In fact I would just buy a rifle suitable for the purpose and not mess with the "build". |
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cpermd
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Posted - 11/07/2009 : 12:04:49 AM
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Building one just like I want is part of the joy of firearms.
Your 98 can be a great host, even though I am a 700 fan.
Use it since you have it.
I recommend it in a long throat 7mm WSM.
You will be happy if done properly.
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beantownshootah
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USA
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Posted - 11/07/2009 : 12:33:01 AM
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Originally posted by ddhotbot
i am going to build a long range target/hunting rifle in 308.would this action be good to build off of?
They're just WWII-era German Mausers re-barreled to .308. (That has to be one of the better bits of historical military irony, Israelis adopting Nazi guns to protect the Jewish homeland).
Sure, you could rebuild one into a long range rifle if you wanted to. Most of these guns are pretty beat up, but the actions are strong.
If you're already going to the trouble to rebarrel it again, you don't have to start with a previously converted rifle. (EG you could take ANY Mauser and rebarrel it into .308).
And before you undertake this project, ask yourself just what you want out of it at the end, and how much you want to spend. Modern 308 rifles aren't exactly scarce, and you might find it a lot easier/cost effective to just start with a more modern used gun.
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eastbank
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Posted - 11/07/2009 : 05:58:54 AM
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| if you are set on a 308, a used rem 700 varmite in 308 may be your ticket. i see them from 400.00 on up on the auction sites and they come with a heavy barrel,a very good trigger(adjustable) and good stock. and most are in super shape to boot. i bought a 700 rem varmite blued 223 with a laminated stock in ex con. for 450.00 and it is a 1-2 inch gun at 300yds with the righ loads(blackhills reloads of all things).eastbank. |
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ern98
Senior Member
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Posted - 11/07/2009 : 2:08:52 PM
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| What I want to know is what do you consider to be long range? I have built a dozen vintage Mauser 98 actions up into various configurations over the years with very good results. Accurate 400 and 500yd shots are not a problem with my 25-06 or 300wby as well as several others. But, if you are wanting to shoot 1000yds competition type shooting then their are more precise actions that would probably be a better platform to start from. Still, it comes down to what you want to do with the rifle and what you consider long range. Have fun with whichever way you go with the project..... |
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redhead71
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 11/07/2009 : 10:33:02 PM
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Argintine(sp) action are the smoothest they used a higher nickle content in thier action, read up on mauser actions
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Originally posted by sandwarrior
quote:
Originally posted by redhead71
they are a german 98k capture gun re-barreled to 308 strong actions but by far not the smoothest other actions are out their
HUH??
The '98 action is as smooth as you get. Especially older ones. They are worn in. You're the one there with your rifle so work the action and see how smooth it is. I have one in .308 and .243 and they are smooth! My smoothest one is my 7x57 and that is my long range rifle. (I'd pick a better long range round if I were you)
If you are looking for tradition then a worn in 700 is good, but a 721/722 is better. I know this will bring howls of disaproval but the same thing applies to the post-'64 Winchester. Pre '64's are great too. But, who wants to spend a grand for an action? I'd buy a Savage for half that and have a better action. Which, BTW, is a great action to build a long range rifle on. Psst, they only won the international F-Class championships in Bisley England this past summer. Yep, stock rifles winning internationally....amazing huh?
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sandwarrior
Advanced Member
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Posted - 11/08/2009 : 08:45:05 AM
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redhead71,
The Argentino 1909 is a '98 Mauser action. And yes they are smooth. A lot of that was because when they bought the rifles they wanted to have them finished out better. In fact they are pretty much considered by many to be the pinnacle of actions to build a custom on. However, K98 actions that have been worn in are smooth as well. Most of the converted K98's the Israeli's used fit that bill. Well worn in. There is still plenty of meat on those actions to build a custom on after truing them up.
I went back and re-read my post. I wanted to clarify that Mauser actions are smooth. and I want to apologize as my response was a bit out of line. But, the rest of the post was directed to ddhotbot. Lots of good actions out there to work with if you don't choose a Mauser. |
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nononsense
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Posted - 11/08/2009 : 10:23:45 AM
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redhead71,
"Argintine(sp) action are the smoothest they used a higher nickle content in thier action, read up on mauser actions"
I've had the honor and privilege of handling, owning and building most if not all of the Mauser variations and iterations from the very first model through the most recent versions from our European and U.S. makers. I can tell you this:
There is currently no one Model that is perfect, in general, simply due to age and use (or abuse). Each Mauser action should be treated as an individual and assessed on it's own merits when the goal is to use it for building a rifle. There are some of the Israeli Mausers that are near excellent condition and would make fine rifles. There are also some modern individual Mauser actions that don't meet the criteria of being properly manufactured. I've worked with some of the Turkish Mausers that have been rougher than a cob yet, make a perfectly acceptable hunting rifle for a minimum investment. That's why you need to look at the individual actions and know what to look for, that is important.
Best.
ddhotbot,
I would be interested to hear from you as to what your criteria are for long range target/hunting. Please start a new thread if you'd like so we can continue to discuss this further.
The .308 Win. cartridge is just about the best overall cartridge for such a rifle for most of the obvious reasons. It's also readily available in a wide range of loads and quality including some of the best remanufactured target versions by a couple of makers.
Best.
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