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fiftycalfrag
Starting Member
USA
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 Posted - 11/07/2009 : 04:03:29 AM
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Hi, I have been looking for this type of firearm for a long time, but I never knew they name. After finally finding out that Puma makes this I go to galleryofguns.com, and do a search. Only to see a message saying that there might be some restriction in my area and I might not be able to purchase this firearm.
I live in California. Can any one tell me or might have an idea why I could not purchase this firearm. (for specs, etc. here is a link.)
Thanks- Chris
http://www.legacysports.com/products/puma/puma_bhunterm87shot.html |
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fordsix
Senior Member
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Posted - 11/07/2009 : 06:52:10 AM
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| it is considered a pistola due to length and not on the CDOJ list |
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Laredo Lefty
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 11/08/2009 : 03:56:12 AM
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Generally the Cal DOJ approved list is for double action revolvers and semi-auto pistols. Almost all single actions need not be on the list and can be sold in calif. A lever action "pistol" would likely have to be on the list to be sold here.
If you could find one already here, it could be sold as a private party transfer but you and the seller would have to meet at an FFL to complete the paperwork. |
Joe
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BigLoop22
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - 11/08/2009 : 12:30:03 PM
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Chris,
It is a shame that you are having this problem.
I tried to duplicate your results, using Davidson's Gun Genie. The warning "We're sorry, there are certain restrictions in your area that may prevent you from purchasing this item.
" shows up only after the Gun Genie knows your ZIP code & click on "INSTANT QUOTE". Using a ZIP code of 90001 (a Los Angeles, California code) reveals the warning. Using my Southern Louisiana ZIP code, I do not get any warnings.
I realize that the California D.O.J. could help you, but you could also contact LSI:
http://www.legacysports.com/contact/index.html
Contact Legacy Sports
4750 Longley Lane, Suite 208
Reno, NV 89502
TOLL FREE: 1-800-5-LEGACY
Ph: 775-828-0555
Fax: 775-828-0565
Good luck. |
BigLoop22
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rsnyder55
Senior Member
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Posted - 11/08/2009 : 5:31:14 PM
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FWIW,
I tried it with my N Calif Zip Code (outside Sacramento) and I didn't get a restriction. |
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fiftycalfrag
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - 11/08/2009 : 9:51:12 PM
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| Thank you for all your help |
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beantownshootah
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 11/09/2009 : 3:03:55 PM
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Yikes!
That's cool, but its setting off all sorts of mental alarms.
Why isn't this thing (a stocked handgun) considered an AOW?
And if it isn't an AOW ("any other weapon"), couldn't you legally chop it down even shorter?
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iwannausername
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Posted - 11/09/2009 : 3:19:11 PM
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Originally posted by beantownshootah
Yikes!
That's cool, but its setting off all sorts of mental alarms.
Why isn't this thing (a stocked handgun) considered an AOW?
And if it isn't an AOW ("any other weapon"), couldn't you legally chop it down even shorter?
Not considered an AOW since it was made as a pistol, and it doesn't have a shoulder stock or *vertical* foregrip. And yes, you could chop it down further.
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user@darkstar:~$ links -dump http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html | grep "the people"
or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and
construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
or to the people.
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Nwcid
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 11/09/2009 : 3:25:14 PM
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It is very cool.
It would be an SBR, not an AOW since it has a rifled bore if it were an NFA item. Pretty much the only "traditional" firearm pistol shaped gun that is an AOW would be one with a VFG on it. If it started life a virgin receiver (as all guns do) and was built into a pistol (as apparently this is) then it IS a pistol. If it has ever had a stock, becoming a rifle, on it then it was cutdown (or taken off) it would become a SBR (Short Barreled Rifle). This is no different then doing it with an AR-15 which has become so popular or with say the Ruger Charger vs 10/22.
The ONLY way I am aware that this could be a pistol is that Puma builds the receiver and NEVER put a stock on. They then build it with a short (pistol) barrel and got the ATF's ok that the rear grip is a grip and not a stock. One key part to being a pistol it that is is "is designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand".
They are very cool and at $500 I bet I would buy one in .44 mag just because. The website lists them at $1250 and while cool they are not even that close to cool for me.
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Just a thought Why would you ask members of a gun forum if you should buy a gun. Kinda like an alcoholic going into a bar to hoping to have someone tell him not to drink.
Anyone who would sacrifice freedom for security deserves neither!!!
Gun control defined: The theory that people who are willing to ignore laws against rape, torture, kidnapping, theft, and murder will obey a law which prohibits them from owning a firearm.
What are MG's for?
Because if you are going to cry out, "Say Hello To My Little Fren" and you are holding a bolt action .22, you have no style.
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BigLoop22
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - 11/09/2009 : 3:51:33 PM
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Gents,
I find all of this ATF "regulation" to be a farce. 
...so, if you get a chance to see one of these in person, then you can find "Pistol" clearly marked in two places on the gun:
- (1.) The barrel says "Pistol Only"
- (2.) On the receiver upper tang
Here is a picture of the receiver tang marking:
...from this review:
http://www.gunblast.com/Puma-MaresLeg.htm
I have not yet found a picture of the barrel marking. |
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Edited by - BigLoop22 on 11/09/2009 3:52:25 PM |
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Nwcid
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 11/09/2009 : 4:03:36 PM
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Originally posted by BigLoop22
Gents,
I find all of this ATF "regulation" to be a farce.
...so, if you get a chance to see one of these in person, then you can find "Pistol" clearly marked in two places on the gun:
- (1.) The barrel says "Pistol Only"
- (2.) On the receiver upper tang
Here is a picture of the receiver tang marking:
http://www.gunblast.com/Puma-MaresLeg.htm
I have not yet found a picture of the barrel marking.
I am not sure what your point is here.
The ATF is VERY real and until it (the law) is changed it is the LAW. If you choose to follow the law great, if not then you do so at your own risk. Ignorance of law is not a defense that will stand up in court. I agree that the ATF sucks and ALL gun laws are an infringement on our 2A rights if that was your point but I can not do anything to change them if I am locked in jail for breaking current laws.
No one claimed it was not a pistol, Bean asked a VERY good question about how this gun was not an NFA item.
I could stamp everyone of my rifles with pistol but legally that does not make them a pistol. On the other hand when was the last time you saw a "traditional" pistol like a 1911 or a Glock with "PISTOL stamped on the side? The word "PISTOL" does not in any way change what a gun is legally.
This gun IS a pistol because of the way it was manufactured and no other reason.
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Just a thought Why would you ask members of a gun forum if you should buy a gun. Kinda like an alcoholic going into a bar to hoping to have someone tell him not to drink.
Anyone who would sacrifice freedom for security deserves neither!!!
Gun control defined: The theory that people who are willing to ignore laws against rape, torture, kidnapping, theft, and murder will obey a law which prohibits them from owning a firearm.
What are MG's for?
Because if you are going to cry out, "Say Hello To My Little Fren" and you are holding a bolt action .22, you have no style.
John |
Edited by - Nwcid on 11/09/2009 4:05:13 PM |
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