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Sturmgewehr
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Posted - 06/23/2011 :  3:43:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Chlordane Concentrate , does anyone know what the proper mix ratio is ith water for insect control used with pressurized sprayer?

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I believe it's a violation of EPA regulations to use it at all.

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Posted - 06/23/2011 :  3:52:04 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote


More big-govenment regulations!!


quote:
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I believe it's a violation of EPA regulations to use it at all.


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NiccoHel
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Posted - 06/23/2011 :  3:53:55 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hypothetically, people. Hypothetically.

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Sturmgewehr
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Perfect

I believe it's a violation of EPA regulations to use it at all.

It was puchased prior to 1988.

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Mr. Perfect
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Posted - 06/23/2011 :  3:57:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Sturmgewehr

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Perfect

I believe it's a violation of EPA regulations to use it at all.

It was puchased prior to 1988.

yes, but use was banned in 88. Besides... reading about it now I don't think I'd want to use it at all. No way no how.

http://www.answers.com/topic/chlordane

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Sturmgewehr
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Posted - 06/23/2011 :  4:04:32 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Perfect

quote:
Originally posted by Sturmgewehr

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Perfect

I believe it's a violation of EPA regulations to use it at all.

It was puchased prior to 1988.

yes, but use was banned in 88. Besides... reading about it now I don't think I'd want to use it at all. No way no how.

http://www.answers.com/topic/chlordane



You know its good stuff then

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gesshots
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Posted - 06/23/2011 :  4:08:25 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Probably still available south of the boarder, same as DDT.

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Posted - 06/23/2011 :  4:10:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
DDT?
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Sturmgewehr
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Posted - 06/23/2011 :  4:12:04 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gesshots

Probably still available south of the boarder, same as DDT.



People have been using it around here for years.My grandfather used it for 4o years and lived until he was 89. Chlordane still turns up at the local farm auctions. I'm not to worried about it for what I want to use it for.

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gesshots
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Posted - 06/23/2011 :  4:13:22 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Zulu7

DDT?



I believe it is still used in the Panama Canal Zone. [may be wrong]

Don't tell me you have never heard of DDT. dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane

Banned 1972.

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Mr. Perfect
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Posted - 06/23/2011 :  4:15:30 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Sturmgewehr

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Perfect

quote:
Originally posted by Sturmgewehr

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Perfect

I believe it's a violation of EPA regulations to use it at all.

It was puchased prior to 1988.

yes, but use was banned in 88. Besides... reading about it now I don't think I'd want to use it at all. No way no how.

http://www.answers.com/topic/chlordane



You know its good stuff then

testicular cancer is not my cup o' tea.

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Sturmgewehr
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Posted - 06/23/2011 :  4:16:43 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
DDT Spraying on children

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQzx2ZyaSbw&feature=related


Chlordane Pesticide Use in the 1950s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7Lr1pCEcNU

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Viktor
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Posted - 06/23/2011 :  4:16:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gesshots

quote:
Originally posted by Zulu7

DDT?



I believe it is still used in the Panama Canal Zone. [may be wrong]

Don't tell me you have never heard of DDT.




I have heard of it. I also heard that it wasn't as bad for the environment as the Feds told everyone it was.
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Oso2142
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Cyfluthrin's what I use to kill scorpions, and every damn thing else. And, you know, if it kills scorpions, it should kill everything!

And yes, I've sprayed them, and watched them die. But, I don't use a synergist, as it's very expensive, and not needed, for my pattern of control.

Edited by - Oso2142 on 06/23/2011 4:18:28 PM
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Sturmgewehr
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Posted - 06/23/2011 :  4:34:44 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Think I found what I was looking for

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-y0gddBTWY&feature=related

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pogybate
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Posted - 06/23/2011 :  4:40:03 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Used that yrs ago for potato bugs, worked good. Not for sale for a long time now.
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armilite
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Posted - 06/23/2011 :  5:16:09 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I still have some DDT does it get better with age??

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bigoutside
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Posted - 06/23/2011 :  8:34:04 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Sturmgewehr

Chlordane Concentrate , does anyone know what the proper mix ratio is ith water for insect control used with pressurized sprayer?



Man, I wish I had some.
Fantastic for termite control. My dad put up a case or so right before it went illegal. Its long gone.

I'd be really hesitant to use it for pest control on plants. Not because its scary if applied correctly, but because the thing that makes it great is it's persistence. On plants, there's less valuable stuff to use that will work well for a growing season.

It'll form an awesome house perimiter that will be effective for years.
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mateomasfeo
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Posted - 06/23/2011 :  8:36:28 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

quote:
Chlordane



Sorry.

Thought this was a thread about Claire Danes...




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Mr. Perfect
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Posted - 06/23/2011 :  8:37:22 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mateomasfeo


quote:
Chlordane



Sorry.

Thought this was a thread about Claire Danes...




may as well be now.

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"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

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Alan Rushing
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Posted - 06/23/2011 :  9:02:39 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Sturmgewehr

Chlordane Concentrate , does anyone know what the proper mix ratio is ith water for insect control used with pressurized sprayer?

You did not inquire about this, but will offer this info to you anyway.

It is quite lethal and will kill anything and everything, including people.

I personally know knew, two guys that killed themselves using that stuff. Two separate incidents or "applications".

I worked on the job with the one guy, I advised him to stay away from that stuff. Even shared with him a very bad personal experience that I had with that stuff.

He was more concerned about termites. I do not know if the stuff was effective against the termites, it was permanent with him!

I'd rather have termites in my belfry than be planted in the ground with them!

There have been folks that inspected house crawlspaces and "keeled over" shortly thereafter! Thanks to the use of that poison by someone previously.

Personally, I'd not use it, nor have any such stuff put into, onto or around my property. IF, you dispose of it ... please do so properly, it is a HAZARDOUS product and it doesn't take much of it to kill a whole bunch of people and other living beings!

PS: Not a romantic or pretty way to go either. If a person were to survive, I'd expect they'd have liver and kidney damage and a dramatically hampered immune system. It is very, very bad stuff.

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COLT
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For common bugs, very high dilution rate.

A gallon would make well over 1,000 gallons of really good bug killer.

But, was done away with because of the greenie whacks & junk science, similar to how DDT was done away with, another great product that had Malaria considered to be eradicated.

But, ONE book by a hand wringing liberal feminist, and DDT was labeled the "worst" poison known to man, would destroy the world, of course it had basically wiped out Malaria around the world, which became a major problem after the horrible DDT was banned, sure glad these folks are looking out for me. Of course a few million have died since from Malaria, but hey, probably no one from DDT.

If the whacks had not banned Chlordane, the south would not be eaten literally out of house & home by Formosa Termites, Chlordane was the BEST termite killer and KEPT them away.

As with anything else, use common sense and caution, which now, the Govt does for us all, now we dont have to, boy I feel safer now...

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...Maybe go to your library and read "Silent Spring" by Rachel Carson. Published in 1962, it tells of pesticide overuse in the 1950's. Now, I'm not anti pesticide, as I had a pesticide operator's license for 20 years. There is just some stuff that should not be used. The risk to humans and wildlife is not justifiable.
...I had 50# of Aldrin in a shed at work for years. I just got tired of smelling it and staying clear of it. I brought it to a county "no questions asked" disposal site. You'd think I'd dropped a live grenade in their laps!
...Penta was a good wood preservative, and I used it all up. Same goes for Tetrafume (a grain bin bug killer), carbon tetrachloride was the nasty bit of it. Same thing that dry cleaners used to use. I'm just lucky that I don't have any dain bramage...

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Posted - 06/23/2011 :  10:15:04 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bigoutside

quote:
Originally posted by Sturmgewehr

Chlordane Concentrate , does anyone know what the proper mix ratio is ith water for insect control used with pressurized sprayer?



Man, I wish I had some.
Fantastic for termite control. My dad put up a case or so right before it went illegal. Its long gone.

I'd be really hesitant to use it for pest control on plants. Not because its scary if applied correctly, but because the thing that makes it great is it's persistence. On plants, there's less valuable stuff to use that will work well for a growing season.

It'll form an awesome house perimiter that will be effective for years.



Yep, my pop used to mix it with diesel fuel and pour it in the crawlspace up against the outside wall. To this day you can smell the diesel if you (are brave enough to) go digging under there....

My mom still owns all but two of those rental properties and we only ever had one problem with termites and they were formosan ones that flew in and set up a colony in the rafters of a shed. State showed up 30 minutes after they were found, took the whole thing.

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Posted - 06/23/2011 :  10:19:08 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by COLT

For common bugs, very high dilution rate.

A gallon would make well over 1,000 gallons of really good bug killer.

But, was done away with because of the greenie whacks & junk science, similar to how DDT was done away with, another great product that had Malaria considered to be eradicated.

But, ONE book by a hand wringing liberal feminist, and DDT was labeled the "worst" poison known to man, would destroy the world, of course it had basically wiped out Malaria around the world, which became a major problem after the horrible DDT was banned, sure glad these folks are looking out for me. Of course a few million have died since from Malaria, but hey, probably no one from DDT.

If the whacks had not banned Chlordane, the south would not be eaten literally out of house & home by Formosa Termites, Chlordane was the BEST termite killer and KEPT them away.

As with anything else, use common sense and caution, which now, the Govt does for us all, now we dont have to, boy I feel safer now...



Chlordane does not help with formosan. Those buzzards fly into the attic and need no contact with the ground so unless you treat the whole house they will still eat the house. It is great for subterranian one though.....

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Environmental impact

Being hydrophobic, chlordane adheres to soil particles and enters groundwater only slowly owing to its low solubility (0.009 ppm). It degrades only over the course of years.[6] Chlordane bioaccumulates in animals. It is highly toxic to fish, with an LD50 of 0.0220.095 mg/kg (oral).
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quote:
Originally posted by Zulu7

quote:
Originally posted by gesshots

quote:
Originally posted by Zulu7

DDT?



I believe it is still used in the Panama Canal Zone. [may be wrong]

Don't tell me you have never heard of DDT.




I have heard of it. I also heard that it wasn't as bad for the environment as the Feds told everyone it was.



you heard wrong. It is that bad or worse.

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I'd be real interested in who you heard what from and how they trump the US Federal Government and all of the scientific studies that were coming out.

Unless informed other wise that sounds a bit like going to a bottom-end bar and inquiring of the patrons after happy hour how one might rebuild their Porsche.

Chlordane is deadly to everything living ... it is simply a potent, deadly POISON.

I'd prefer to shower with Agent Orange than be exposed to the former unprotected.

If you breath it now or later, if it touches your skin now or later ... whether dry or wet ... it don't matter. If you have a serious death wish, mess with it.

Of course you can ignore all of the information on it. You can ignore all the people killed by it. Of course, everyone that ought to know, is wrong!

Maybe you will squeak-by and it will just kill your cats, dogs and kids or other kin.

I'm certain that the neighbors will be very understanding of their pets and kids getting sick or dying outright.

If a guy has too dull of a life they can get themselves exposed to Chlordane or Chlordecone or many of these other insecticides and have the excitement dealing with testicular and prostate cancers , its a real hoot, I'm told!

( I don't know about you folks but I have lost quite a few friends to those cancers. I don't want to go that way! )



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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insecticides

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlordane

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlordecone

http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Pesticide_blamed_for_health_disaster_in_French_Caribbean_999.html

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Chlordane is nasty stuff.

There is a good reason that it was banned. It causes all kinds of never damage to humans and has caused severe illness in many people.

Wise up and get rid of that crap.
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Chlordane is perfectly safe when used correctly. And it lasts for 75 years. This is why the pest control companies lobbied Congress to get Chlordane banned. Because why should someone use a product that works, when they can just pay Terminex $3,500 every year to keep termites under control. That is the key word they use - "control". Chlordane eliminates them permanently instead.

So

when you hear a tree hugger liberal ignoramus? Just ignore them. They believe the "government" does everything and anything to protect us feeble People from danger. Boo hoo hoo! Nothing can be further from the truth.

If the government REALLY cared about human life? It would regulate or ban abortion clinics, let the traditional Family take care of children, and ban so-called "smart" cars and any car weighing less than 2800 lbs. for true safety of life.



DDT was also a miracle insecticide, and the research done by another stupid woman was flawed severely. DDT is not dangerous at all. Used properly, it is perfectly safe. You can die from drinking too much water also. Anyway, millions of people around the world have died due to the banning of DDT. Malaria is the disease. DDT killed the mosquito spreading Malaria. But some liberal elitist said NO to DDT.



So look at the EPA like a Russian iron fist and those liberal politicians who produce these big nanny government blowhards. Because liberals are nothing but thumb-sucking mommas boys and girls in reality. Afraid of their own shadows.
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quote:
Originally posted by Sturmgewehr
My grandfather used it for 4o years and lived until he was 89.



See, that stuff killed him just like the experts said it would.

I have used this evil stuff on many occasions and would still be using it if it were available

Aren't some of these people saying lead should be banned in bullets?

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quote:
Originally posted by gesshots

quote:
Originally posted by Zulu7

DDT?



I believe it is still used in the Panama Canal Zone. [may be wrong]

Don't tell me you have never heard of DDT. dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane

Banned 1972.




And for Friggin good reason!!!!

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quote:
It was puchased prior to 1988.




It is over 25 years old. Take it to the hazardous waste site and move on.

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What has chlordane have to do with abortions? the stuff is highly toxic and is a carcinogen. Lasts forever so the chances that somebody who doesn't want to get exposed to the toxin will. I know some of you guys are a conservative lot, but if you think the chlordane ban is a government plot don't let the science get in your way. I have had a pesticide applicators licence for years and you won't get me within a mile of that stuff .
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quote:
Originally posted by Zulu7

DDT?



DDT really worked. Used to mix DDT w/ #2 diesel fuel and spray the milk cows. Flies fell off dead in seconds.

Also put it on the cattle rubbers (Chain hung between two posts 8 feet apart and burlap bags wrapped around the chain) the cows would walk under to rub on their backs to keep the flies off them.

Worked like a charm and no one got sick either.

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I would just put a good amount in it, and it will kill more bugs. The other way, you are going to have to drown them. The directions are always wrong, because they want you to keep buying junk.


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