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boltaction
Junior Member
USA
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 Posted - 07/10/2003 : 10:39:26 PM
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| How much different is the 25-06 over the 257 roberts. Is one more powerful than the other or are they very close to each other.I've read storie's where the 257 has been used on grondhog's to elk. |
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Hardrada55
New Member
65 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2003 : 11:13:35 PM
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| Factory loads of the .25-06 are much more powerful that factory loads of the .257 Roberts. .257 Roberts has a reputation for being a very versatile but very efficient cartridge. A fine long range varmit cartridge combined with a very competent deer cartridge. I don't think I would choose to shoot elk with it, though. Factory loads for the 25-06 are loaded to a pressure of about 63,000 pounds per square inch (psi) and the old standard loads for .257 Roberts were only loaded to about 54,000 psi. .257 Roberts +P is loaded to 58,000 psi. (Which is really weird because 6mm Remington is basically a .257 Roberts {or 7x57 Mauser} necked down to .243 and it's loaded to 65,000 psi; all per Forker). Comparing factory loads of the .25-06 and .257 Roberts makes the .257 Roberts look pretty anemic. But, the 25-06 is only about 150 fps faster in all bullet weights... if you load both cartridges to the same pressure. So if you handload, .257 Roberts can be a .25-06 with nearly the same velocity, but with less muzzle blast, less kick...., kind of like a .25-06 "light". |
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257izmycal
Junior Member
384 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2003 : 11:38:31 PM
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I am extremely biased when it comes to the subject of the 257 Roberts due to the fact that it is in my opinion the perfect cartridge for deer. I will admit that the 25-06 is more powerful but it is not that much more powerful to say it kills them any deader. It all boils down to shot placement and a deer at 250 yards is as good as freezer filler with my 257 Roberts. You could extend your range to 300 with the 25-06 but 250 yards is far enough to satisfy me. My Roberts has never let me down. And the job it does on coyotes... well, it has had a profound impact on them. (get the impact pun?) You cannot go wrong with a 257 Roberts. The only real issue that would lean me to the 25-06 would be the availability of ammo. But if you reload, this is a moot issue. JM2CW but a biased 2CW. 257
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Edited by - 257izmycal on 07/10/2003 11:39:45 PM |
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Delta514
Junior Member
USA
441 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2003 : 11:55:48 AM
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The Amazing 25-06: In Louisiana it's called; "The Bean Field Gun". For years the 25-06 faltered and nearly disapeared from sight. There were no slow burning powders available at the time of Conception, accuracy was inconsistent as was Chamber Pressures. The 25-06 actually becomes Dangerous when too little powder is used.
If you have the money and the inclination: Purchase a Savage, Stainless, Fluted, Hvy Barrel, with the Sharpshooter Trigger (but now is only available with the AccuTrigger instead of the Sharpshooter).
Bag that Puppy Up, (or as I prefer; a bipod).
Place a reasonable Scope above on decent rings and mounts, 20x class. Load 75 Grain Hornady V-Max - Moly Coated - Remington 9-1/2 Primers, 54 Grain of H-414. Use a Dummy Bullet for a pattern Shell for resetting dies later, if changed to another weight bullet. Barely Seat the Bullet in the empty case - Push the bolt forward and close. Withdraw the Pattern Round, place the round into the die and turn the seat until you feel it contact the Bullet - then turn it 1/4th of a turn more. Mark this round to be used as a tool when reloading the 75 grain V-Max at a later date.
Then wake up Willie, cause he an't gonna believe this!
This Rifle - This Round - Can & Should, produce 1 perfect 5 round hole at 100yds. 1-1/4 group at 350 yds. Wind excluded. (and don't force the Stainless Guns on a Hot day, Stainless goes a little crazy when it gets hot).
"Good Shooting my Friend"
Ronnie G. Perkins |
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SilverBox
Senior Member
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Posted - 07/11/2003 : 12:28:54 PM
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.25-06 seems to be better to me in about every way, cost, availability, more power..
I guess the .257 roberts does have some adulation of your peers factor at the range or with your hunting buddies as you will soon be known as the .257 roberts guy and if you can shoot it well, your fame and luster in your peers eyes will increase..
But from a logical standpoint I'd have to say hands down .25-06.. |
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rockton
Junior Member
USA
301 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2003 : 12:58:01 PM
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You are comparing apples to oranges.
Depending upon how it is to be used for the majority of the time determines which is best for that use.
Thanks
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pack rat633
Member
USA
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Posted - 07/11/2003 : 5:08:11 PM
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I've used both calibers here in Wyoming for years. I believe the 25/06 is slightly better for large game, i.e. elk and mule deer, but both are really too light for such big game. If you keep your shots short, say under 200 yds, the 25/06 is deadly on anything you can hunt. For varments, the .257 is good for 300 yds, the 25/06 for 600 yds. (stir, stir) Both are fairly easy on Bbls, and have mild recoil.
SEMPER FI MAC, SEMPER FI |
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Delta514
Junior Member
USA
441 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2003 : 11:03:59 PM
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All here seem to be very knowledgable shooters, and in my opinion all are 100% correct, (one exception). I can relate a story which happened a few years back. (May as weell, we are all friends here, and I assume we all can appreciate a good yarn).
Couple years back: A friend of mine (Deputy Sheriff) was planning a trip to Colorado, (Steamboat Springs), he came to the store and looked a a few Rifles. We discussed Kentucky Whitetail & Ground Hog Hunting, to Mules in Colorado. Anticipating at least 300 yards for the average shot, but considering: Teddy was going this one time, if successful; would have no need of going again.
I had a Savage 25-06 Tactical on the wall, along with 7 Rem Mag, 300 Win, 300 Rem Ultra, etc. His Question: "Would the 25-06 bring down a large Muley at 300-350 yrds?" Of course my answer was; "Most definitely". So Teddy asked how accurate the Savage Tactical is; "Hell Teddy, I an't got a clue, I am a Remington or Sako man, I don't recall ever shooting a Savage Hi-Powered Rifle above a .222".
Teddy: "If you guarantee it to shoot well, I'll take it!".
Me: "I'll see Teddy, Let you know this afternoon".
Well! It is snowing outside, Ninety to Nothing, but another friend, from childhood came by. "Wanna go try a Savage Gil?" Duh! Now why did I ask such a stupid question? Gil Kidwell will shoot anytime and for any occassion (at the drop of a Hat, and if need be, he'll drop the hat). OFF we go, No questions, no Qualms from Gil. Fifteen minutes later we are on a 400 acre farm just outside of Lexington, you could shoot about 1500 yds if need be. Settling Down just across Goose Creek on a Permanent Bench (1 of 3 we had built there). The 50 yrd Target was discernible, but the 100 was Ghostly to non-existent.
Quaking Purty good in sub zero weather, I managed to get about 5 shots in the vicinity of a sumwhat northerly direction (Dead Reckoning)which the 50 yrd target was known to be. Adjusting the scope, slowly going snowblind, nose running, "Gil, think we should walk down there and tttake a Loloo loo look?", 50 long steps later, and Bingo, I had actually managed a 1/2 group at 50 ya ya yards. Not bad for an idiot. "Hey, Gil, You wannnna sho ooot ittit?" ~ "Naw, youra doin jussssss fine!", (Hands in Pockets, earflaps down, nose red, eyes watering) "Jesss fine". "Hummmmm? (Brain cells fireing through the slush), An't like Gil to turn down a chance too shoot (anything).
"O.K. Rudolph, Leshhhh git tha tha this over with". Take a Breath-Hold- Aim-Squeeze- bolt, repeat. Anywho: 3/4 group at 100, Yup, it'll shoot. "Damn! Gil, why didn't you leave the Cherokee Running?"
Teddy accepts testimony. Teddy buys rifle, Teddy wants my scope, which I had applied to the Gun: "Awww, Damn! Teddy, pick out another scope", (wasted breath).
SPRING: Teddy returns from Colorado, 5x5 as near perfect as anyone would want. "Well"? "About 325yds, 65 degrees, (awful warm for that time of year), "Walked about half mile from camp, took off my jacket and layed it on a large rock (large to a Kentuckian), settled in, pulled out my glasses, looked at the point of trees headed in my direction, (right at Snowline) and out he steps, put the crosshairs on his shoulder, eased a bit lower and squeezed the trigger. He just plowed the snow with his nose, and didn't wiggle".
So much for the 25-06, but it still an't an Elk Round, even with the 120 grain. Now that doesn't mean the 25-06 won't kill an Elephant, the accuracy is superb, recoil much lighter than one would anticipate. (little picky about what it likes to be fed).
Anyone want to see the subject/ E-mail me and I'll send a Pic, he's hanging on the wall of my store.
SUMMATION: If you own 2 High Power Rifles, one should be a 25-06.
GOOD SHOOTING GENTLEMEN~
Ronnie G. Perkins |
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OleDuk
Senior Member
USA
1053 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2003 : 11:24:46 PM
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Well,Ronnie, I enjoyed that!!
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25-06
Junior Member
499 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2003 : 11:29:53 PM
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From my nickname you can see that I am a 25-06 fan. I have shot probably over 8-9,000 rounds through them. Over 7,000 through my first custom rifle, an FN Supreme with Douglas XX barrel. I have also played with the Roberts and improved Roberts. I still prefer the 25-06. If you do not reload, there is a better selection of ammo for the 25-06. Most of my shooting has been at coyotes, prairie dogs, and jackrabbits. Out of about 50 head of deer and antelope, only one deer and one antelope did not drop right where they were standing when hit. They only went about 100 yards. Years ago, I settled on the 100 grain Sierra BT for everthing. A good stiff charge of 4350 or 4831 should get you 1/2" groups for 5 shots at 100 yards. For factory ammo, I like the Federal Premiums with the 100 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip. Good Luck with whatever you decide, I think you will like the 25 calibers.
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warcrob
Junior Member
362 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2003 : 07:51:57 AM
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25-06 100 grain bullet and 57.5 grains of 4831 1" groups at 200 yrds.
If you ain't got a sense of humor you got no business bein here! |
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Delta514
Junior Member
USA
441 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2003 : 11:19:13 AM
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Thanks WARCROB: I have never seemed to get the 100 grain (anything) to shoot extremly well in a 25-06. But then I haven't consentrated on the 100 grain to a great degree.
The 75 gr, Hornady (in the afforementioned loading), is too good to mess with. The Projectile has Xtreme Velocity Potential (4000 no problem). But as I have previously stated: Velocity has little to do with accuracy, and can be very detrimental to Chambers & Throats. The 25-06 has a 1-10 twist, and the fact it will stabilize the 75 grain at fairly High Velocity, is a testiment to "Cutting Velocity to Obtain Accuracy". The 1-10 twist, rational, is a bi Product of the Cartridge from which A.O. Niedner developed; from the 30-06 case. I must assume the same happened to the .270, which is also a 30-06 necked down and has a 1-10 twist.
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