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serf
Anti Gun Lib

6652 Posts

Posted - 11/06/2017 :  11:36:00 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote


The title says it all and let's face it the problem is not going to be solved without a fight politically .
More current intensive background checks are coming for gun ownership!


As Being label here already here as a ban anti-gun liberal still does not change the facts of how long before either the system bans gun ownership or our society is coherent enough to have enough sense of responsibility to be morally correct with gun ownership?

Am I the only one here that cannot ignore the Elephant in the room? What happens when an irresistible force meets an unmovable object? the War of Northern Aggression maybe?

serf

spasmcreek
Advanced Member

33780 Posts

Posted - 11/07/2017 :  6:54:32 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
tools are not the real problem ...failure of mental health programs on diff levels are a real ignored issue...many years my wife was director of nursing services at the states largest mental health facility..lots of bad stories , not to mention the lawyers
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pwillie
Advanced Member

USA
25711 Posts

Posted - 11/08/2017 :  10:55:56 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
...I think stealing a firearm should be a hanging offense...that's for starters...
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47studebaker
Senior Member

USA
2005 Posts

Posted - 11/09/2017 :  8:22:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Years ago I placed a woman in custody after she locked her self in a bathroom and slit her wrists with a razor blade. After transport to the local hospital for the cuts (minor in nature) we attempted to have her committed. Upon the arrival of a MH worker who examined her for a few minutes and without any input from us he refused to commit. He did furnish his name for our report with his opinion that she was OK and had told him she had gotten the cuts running thru the briars behind her house. He suggested we charge her or talk her into committing herself for 72 hrs. (self committing can walk out in minutes after we leave) We talked her father into pressing Disorderly Conduct so she was placed in jail but he bailed her out the next day and didn't show for the hearing.
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us55840
Advanced Member

USA
30825 Posts

Posted - 11/13/2017 :  11:42:49 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote


The wanton killing of other humans by ANY means, be it in America or anyplace in the world, is NOT a firearm issue.

The individuals that do such are of two classes:

1. Mentally deranged.
2. Just plain evil without morals.

And that include mass shootings in the US, other countries by 'governments', organized crime, drug cartels or years ago by the Nazi and others including the muslime islamic radicals....#1 & #2 apply.




The government has no rights. Only the PEOPLE have rights that empower the government.

This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it.
Abraham Lincoln

Life is not the way it's supposed to be. It is they way it is. The way we cope with it, is what makes the difference.

All comments posted here are my opinion as expressed via the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution.

United States Army ~ 1966-1968 USARSUPTHAI 1967-1968
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serf
Anti Gun Lib

6652 Posts

Posted - 11/13/2017 :  11:56:39 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by us55840



The wanton killing of other humans by ANY means, be it in America or anyplace in the world, is NOT a firearm issue.

The individuals that do such are of two classes:

1. Mentally deranged.
2. Just plain evil without morals.

And that include mass shootings in the US, other countries by 'governments', organized crime, drug cartels or years ago by the Nazi and others including the muslime islamic radicals....#1 & #2 apply.







Well it (The Weapon) gives the entity the power to kill more at one time however. This cannot be denied.

serf
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gunnut505
Advanced Member

USA
9796 Posts

Posted - 12/14/2017 :  11:03:34 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by serf

quote:
Originally posted by us55840



The wanton killing of other humans by ANY means, be it in America or anyplace in the world, is NOT a firearm issue.

The individuals that do such are of two classes:

1. Mentally deranged.
2. Just plain evil without morals.

And that include mass shootings in the US, other countries by 'governments', organized crime, drug cartels or years ago by the Nazi and others including the muslime islamic radicals....#1 & #2 apply.







Well it (The Weapon) gives the entity the power to kill more at one time however. This cannot be denied.

serf



Gotta be the weakest attempt at justification ever.
How does your statement stand up to a nutcase in a school bus, cruising through a crowd?
Chinese knife-wielders stack up impressive numbers of victims WITHOUT guns.
The Tsarnaev bros shook the country with bombs made out of fireworks; where was the gun that you think is so evil?
Blaming the tool is the easy, progliblefty way out of a serious (D)-bag problem.

"Qui non est hodie cras minus aptus erit" --OVID

"It never hurts to help!"--EEEK the Cat
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spasmcreek
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33780 Posts

Posted - 12/14/2017 :  11:50:06 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
and this will continue without letup (even tho the numbers are not near as large as in other countrys) till the USA gets over this nonsense of every idiot has some form of special it's not my fault rights
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mnrivrat48
Member

USA
959 Posts

Posted - 01/28/2018 :  08:10:30 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
How Many Public Mass Murders Does it Take?


How many more are you planning to do ?

WELCOME TO THE NEW WORD ORDER - RESISTANCE IS FUTILE - YOU WILL ASSIMILATE
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spasmcreek
Advanced Member

33780 Posts

Posted - 01/28/2018 :  09:26:52 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
well, in Russia, Kalashnikov is a national hero...and his designed firearms have probably killed more in the world than any other type... but NOT by themselves
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serf
Anti Gun Lib

6652 Posts

Posted - 01/28/2018 :  10:21:41 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by spasmcreek

well, in Russia, Kalashnikov is a national hero...and his designed firearms have probably killed more in the world than any other type... but NOT by themselves



Well, some people just can't handle the responsibility of gun ownership so it's the old adage here.

I have a very strict gun control policy: if there's a gun around, I want to be in control of it.



serf
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Wild Bill Kelso
New Member

81 Posts

Posted - 02/03/2018 :  11:54:32 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Let's take a few steps back and take another look at what is going on here.

In my opinion the under lying cause is that as a society we've lost our religion.

And no I'm not trying to sell you God.

What I want to focus on is a sense of community.

Call it whatever you like - a parish, a congregation, etc.

What you have is a group of people who bond together because they have a common belief - in this case it is America.

These bodies of 'parish' meet weekly and, beyond doing a little "God talking", look each other over noting whose happy, whose healthy, whose troubled, whose infirm, whose acting crazy, etc.

Know thy neighbor.

I can honestly say that at least once in my life I have suggested to a family member of someone who was acting & sounding alarmingly "to pull the bolt out of your relative's rifle".

So what is the core issue - the weapon, or the person whose alarming actions go ignored and unchecked ?

People we need to bond together again.



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us55840
Advanced Member

USA
30825 Posts

Posted - 02/04/2018 :  1:44:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote




SOLUTION TO GUN CONTROL

In 1865, a Democrat shot and killed Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States .

In 1881, a left wing radical Democrat shot James Garfield, President of the United States - who later died from the wound.




In 1963, a radical left wing communist shot and killed John F. Kennedy, President of the United States.

In 1975, a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at Gerald Ford, President of the United States.

In 1983, a registered Democrat shot and wounded Ronald Reagan, President of the United States.




In 1984, James Hubert, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 22 people in a McDonalds restaurant.




In 1986, Patrick Sherrill, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 15 people in an Oklahoma post office.

In 1990, James Pough, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 10 people at a GMAC office.




In 1991, George Hennard, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 23 people in a Luby's cafeteria in Killeen , TX.




In 1995, James Daniel Simpson, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 5 coworkers in a Texas laboratory.

In 1999, Larry Asbrook, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 8 people at a church service.




In 2001, a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at the White House in a failed attempt to kill George W. Bush, President of the US.

In 2003, Douglas Williams, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7 people at a Lockheed Martin plant.




In 2007, a registered Democrat named Seung - Hui Cho, shot and killed 32 people in Virginia Tech.




In 2010, a mentally ill registered Democrat named Jared Lee Loughner, shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and killed 6 others.

In 2011, a registered Democrat named James Holmes, went into a movie theater and shot and killed 12 people.

In 2012, Andrew Engeldinger, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7 people in Minneapolis.

In 2013, a registered Democrat named Adam Lanza, shot and killed 26 people in a school in Newtown ,CT.

As recently as Sept 2013, an angry Democrat shot 12 at a Navy ship yard.







Clearly, there is a problem with Democrats and guns.

Not one NRA member, Tea Party member, or Republican conservative was involved in any of these shootings and murders.

SOLUTION:

It should be illegal for Democrats to own guns.

We don't need gun control, we need Democrat control.

Guns don't kill people, Democrats do!



The government has no rights. Only the PEOPLE have rights that empower the government.

This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it.
Abraham Lincoln

Life is not the way it's supposed to be. It is they way it is. The way we cope with it, is what makes the difference.

All comments posted here are my opinion as expressed via the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution.

United States Army ~ 1966-1968 USARSUPTHAI 1967-1968
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wifetrained
Senior Member

USA
1830 Posts

Posted - 02/05/2018 :  12:58:02 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hard to argue with those facts.
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serf
Anti Gun Lib

6652 Posts

Posted - 02/06/2018 :  11:59:55 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wild Bill Kelso

Let's take a few steps back and take another look at what is going on here.

In my opinion the under lying cause is that as a society we've lost our religion.

And no I'm not trying to sell you God.









We lost our faith not religion and some leaders in our churches were hypocrites.

Now the government is our new quasi-religion.Unisex,equality,same-sex marriage and gender neutral if you think your are and no pronouns that identify something as a male unless for law enforcement purposes!

serf
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jerrywh818
Senior Member

USA
2060 Posts

Posted - 02/07/2018 :  02:18:45 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah. some people are Democrats they kill people. When mass shootings kill as many people as totalitarian governments did then I might consider more gun control. And-- when the government stops spying on innocent American citizens. Meanwhile let the swamp drain.

ant dancer
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serf
Anti Gun Lib

6652 Posts

Posted - 02/15/2018 :  11:56:03 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jerrywh818

Yeah. some people are Democrats they kill people. When mass shootings kill as many people as totalitarian governments did then I might consider more gun control. And-- when the government stops spying on innocent American citizens. Meanwhile let the swamp drain.



I agree with you but the government here is never going to stop eavesdropping on every citizen. And they are going to outlaw guns anyway this time around I suspect after a mass murdering of innocent victims eventually.

However, if you resist then you are no longer innocent for they are the law of the land and they have already made you a slave with The Federal Reserve system anyway, THEY DO NOT FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION OR BILL OF RIGHTS they just skate around it with new interpretations!

Like happy marriage! Marriage has always been between a man and woman and legal abortions are murder! What makes you think your right to bear arms is so special?

And with total awareness of the police state, you will be a sitting duck when they come for you with your small arms after you have broken the law with an attempt overthrow of the government.

You can win if your losing and the deck is stacked against you like it has never been before. The War with Britain for independence was in another time and place!

serf

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a communist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.




Edited by - serf on 02/15/2018 11:57:56 AM
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