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tfitz54
Member

USA
646 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  12:12:07 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am a Democrat and proud of it! What do all you Republicans think about this ABOMINATION your Conress just past they call Tax Relief? You know how I feel!
#2 How do you feel about your President now allowing the importation of dead elephants?
I just want to hear the other side of things. I cannot for the life of me figure out how if you are Middle Class making under $150,000 a year you would be for this? If you think big Corporations are going to pass it down, I have this bridge between the UP and LP of Michigan I will give you a good deal on! How can you be a Fiscal Coservative and just increase the deficit by 1500 Billion Dollars to give rich people more money! There is 0 proof or evidence Trickle Down Economics works? Did not work in 1987 Why now? Unemployment is at 4% now. Even if you by some miracle did stimulate our economy you are going to throw us into massive inflation! I am not trying to be a troll but cannot understand why anyone is for this.
Finally I hunt a few pheasants but LOVE endangered elephants. They are of no use extinct! They are majestic animals!
So what you got? I

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Mercury
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7571 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  12:21:24 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wowza..........where to start?


Firstly.....elephants ARE NOT ENDANGERED in Africa! Most areas have MORE than they've had in YEARS. Most of them are a menace to the local citizens, too.

People in Africa LOVE the rich white hunters. They bring in millions to desperately poor countries!

Also, you sound like the type of gun owner who isn't against "a few regulations".

Good luck, you are going to need it.


Merc

I dream of a world where chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned.
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NeoBlackdog
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USA
9979 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  12:28:40 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Lower taxes seem to stimulate the economy and generate greater federal revenue every time they're tried (Kennedy, Reagan, Bush in my memory). Why wouldn't it work this time? It would be especially good if they were to cut spending, also, but let's start with baby steps.
As for the elephants, if they are from a herd that needs culled and a hunter has paid big bucks for the opportunity to hunt one, what's wrong with letting him bring his trophy home? The elephants still dead, and if it is killed in the interests of managing a herd for the good of ALL elephants, then it's no big deal.

Edited by - NeoBlackdog on 11/17/2017 12:29:34 AM
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Grasshopper
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11448 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  12:31:31 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Keep drinking is all I can say- so many BS things you say isn't worth my time.
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35 Whelen
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USA
13452 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  12:34:50 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I only have one question. Why do you constantly have to remind everyone that you are a Democrat?
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NeoBlackdog
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USA
9979 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  12:38:28 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 35 Whelen

I only have one question. Why do you constantly have to remind everyone that you are a Democrat?


It's really rather obvious from his/her posts.
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35 Whelen
Advanced Member

USA
13452 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  12:42:03 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by NeoBlackdog

quote:
Originally posted by 35 Whelen

I only have one question. Why do you constantly have to remind everyone that you are a Democrat?


It's really rather obvious from his/her posts.




Oh I know. Recently, the fiasco that was his opinion on the 2nd Amendment made that all too clear.
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pwillie
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USA
24681 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  12:55:41 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You should have posted how I feel about your post?...Really don't care how you feel? Donald can do no wrong!
quote:
Originally posted by tfitz54

I am a Democrat and proud of it! What do all you Republicans think about this ABOMINATION your Conress just past they call Tax Relief? You know how I feel!
#2 How do you feel about your President now allowing the importation of dead elephants?
I just want to hear the other side of things. I cannot for the life of me figure out how if you are Middle Class making under $150,000 a year you would be for this? If you think big Corporations are going to pass it down, I have this bridge between the UP and LP of Michigan I will give you a good deal on! How can you be a Fiscal Coservative and just increase the deficit by 1500 Billion Dollars to give rich people more money! There is 0 proof or evidence Trickle Down Economics works? Did not work in 1987 Why now? Unemployment is at 4% now. Even if you by some miracle did stimulate our economy you are going to throw us into massive inflation! I am not trying to be a troll but cannot understand why anyone is for this.
Finally I hunt a few pheasants but LOVE endangered elephants. They are of no use extinct! They are majestic animals!
So what you got? I

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oldWinchesterfan
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558 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  12:57:48 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just wanting to weigh in, I'm for both. Your facts are based on fake news. That is all.
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sharpshooter039
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USA
4999 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  01:02:48 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you make $150,000 or less,,how many jobs do you create ? how many employees do you have ?? No its not perfect but it is geared towards people and places that create jobs. Now according to JFK the more jobs created,the more taxes paid and the more you stimulate the economy,,who am I do argue with JFK.
I had to go read up on the Elephants,,there has NEVER been a ban om most countries, Namibia and South Africa are two African Countries that the USA has always allowed imports,,the only issue now is again two countries , Obummer banned imports from Zimbabwe and Zambia, since then they have been managing their elephant herds much the same way we do Elk and Deer, If those countries are doing paid management hunts,,I have no problem with it, let the hunters bring back their trophy,,they paid for it

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Dads3040
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USA
13213 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  01:21:17 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I will wait until the proud democrat thanks us for protecting his gun rights from the politicians clueless sheep like him vote for.

Until then? Meh...

The Object in Life is not to be with the Majority, but Rather to Avoid finding Oneself in the Ranks of the Insane. Marcus Aurelius
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shilowar
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USA
35765 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  05:36:30 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by oldWinchesterfan

Just wanting to weigh in, I'm for both. Your facts are based on fake news. That is all.



It is simply amazing isn't it? Do they think that the democrats would bring them any kind of tax relief? The Dems want to give more give aways to the poor, not the middle class. Perhaps I am mis-remembering but I just don't remember a time where the opposition was so blatantly dishonest. Everything is to an extreme, there is zero moderation in tone, and or words anymore. I was ashamed to see members of congress during hearings openly saying the president is unstable, and irrational. It is just shameful behavior, and they smirk like there is no real consequence for their behavior. I am disgusted with the whole thing.

Edited by - shilowar on 11/17/2017 05:37:16 AM
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wpageabc
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USA
5215 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  06:00:14 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Regardless of what side of the aisle your on. We all pay taxes. The intent of part of this bill is to bring jobs back by giving business incentives to not leave our shores. Taking jobs off shore has been a major problem in the last few years...

Trophy hunting rules in Africa are regulated like we do here. Each Nation is capable or managing its own game rules. Elephants are harvested/culled over there effectively. Like we do here with fish and game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u99Q7pNAjvg
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chiefr
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USA
8215 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  07:47:05 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sounds like Woodguru is back.

Typical DEMOCRAT, playing the fiscal conservative card every time tax relief is mentioned: Where were you when Obama DOUBLED the national debt?

The only real truth to any extinction you mention in hunting itself. If you are fully versed on DEMOCRAT parties dogma, you should know they want and end to private ownership of ALL firearms. This means NO hunting period. You can shoot pheasants in your dreams.
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Hunter Mag
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USA
6880 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  07:50:39 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How do you feel about the eternally corrupt, sky high taxes and out of control record debt not only for the city but the county and park district too.
This is the democrat controlled city of chitcago. Perhaps you should move there. They love corruption and tyranny worshipers like you.

Oh and don't forget about the "lets pass this bill(the affordable heathcare act)so we can see what's in it" Nancy Pelosi.
Heath care for everyone! And if you can't afford it we will fine you for not buying it, leaving you even less money to pay for your doctors visits.
Absolutely wonderful don't you think?

Remember this quote... "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson


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mjrfd99
Senior Member

USA
2080 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  08:07:14 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Congrats on being a democrap STILL. Law abiding honest hard working taxpayers left the lying pooppile long ago. The demoncraps embracemmebt of blm BS illegal criminals and islamofanitics has proven what the crooked dnc will suck ANYTHING to stay in power. So ya all sided with Mike brownstain and the blm/ nfl PD haters and LIARS. poopbirds of a feather.....
Welcome to my poop list.
Signed a former LABOR democrap.

OH BTW The one getting screwed with this tax plan are the one who live in OVERTAXED demonrat poopholes. Can't write off those $12,000[normal single family home in NJ] property taxes the demonrats created by mismanagement and blowfesting every deadbeat POS.

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NeoBlackdog
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USA
9979 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  08:49:45 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dads3040

I will wait until the proud democrat thanks us for protecting his gun rights from the politicians clueless sheep like him vote for.

Until then? Meh...


Just don't hold your breath while you wait...
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droptop
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USA
4661 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  08:58:19 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No links ? Either a GBGD opinion or unsubstantiated ,,,

An opinion piece usually isn't worth researching and B.S. even less so.
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Horse Plains Drifter
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Botswana
30213 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  09:32:58 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Too bad some people have to be "Democrats", or "Republicans" I guess they're too stupid to think for themselves. They need to have some group tell them how to think/act/vote.


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Junkballer
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USA
6779 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  09:35:07 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"I'm not trying to be a Troll"..........................That's a good one , maybe DEMOCRAT Senator/comedian Al Franken will buy it but I won't. Did you ever hear the story about the Bible salesman that tried to sell Bibles in a whorehouse ? You'll have the same amount of luck on here
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wiplash
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USA
5537 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  09:57:01 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ahhh, I think you guys scared it away!
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SCOUT5
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Posted - 11/17/2017 :  10:04:07 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The elephants are going to be shot regardless. How not allowing the parts into the country helps anything I've yet to understand. Some people feel the need to control other's lives and action, I'm not one of them. If you are not harming someone or someone's property I don't care what you do.

The government is consuming America. The government consumes America by gaining power. The government gains power by collecting the citizens wealth. The government collects the citizens wealth mainly through taxes. Lowering taxes slows down the consumption.

If you are American and have a brain you understand this simple model.
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Blade Slinger
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USA
5800 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  10:23:34 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
BAM!


quote:
Originally posted by oldWinchesterfan

Just wanting to weigh in, I'm for both. Your facts are based on fake news. That is all.


"Every day is Saturday"
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M1A762
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Niger
3068 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  10:50:33 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A proud democrap! How was 8 years of bammy you dumbass??

You can go eat tofu with hitllary, I can't wait to try elephant steak!

Edited by - M1A762 on 11/17/2017 10:51:45 AM
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He Dog
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Italy
44521 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  10:57:26 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by NeoBlackdog

Lower taxes seem to stimulate the economy and generate greater federal revenue every time they're tried (Kennedy, Reagan, Bush in my memory). Why wouldn't it work this time? It would be especially good if they were to cut spending, also, but let's start with baby steps.
As for the elephants, if they are from a herd that needs culled and a hunter has paid big bucks for the opportunity to hunt one, what's wrong with letting him bring his trophy home? The elephants still dead, and if it is killed in the interests of managing a herd for the good of ALL elephants, then it's no big deal.






Because trickle-down only works for the rich guys at the top? Didn't work in Reagan's time and won't work now. The average guy in our income range might see an $800/year savings, the rich will see far more savings, and there is no way to balance the books without taking out pork, which ain't gonna happen.

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dakotashooter2
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Posted - 11/17/2017 :  11:07:42 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The banning of elephant trophies does nothing to stop or slow the illegal trade of ivory which is basically why it was enacted. As mentioned elephants are still going to be legally killed and the sale or trade of ivory is still prohibited. It was the pressure from anti hunter groups that got it passed to start with. They wanted to deter hunting.

For those who believe Obama is the Messiah remember, prophecy tells use the antichrist will proceed the TRUE Messiah.
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Junkballer
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USA
6779 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  11:30:28 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Remember the so-called "Luxury tax" that was imposed by Democrats on the rich for items such as private planes, yachts, fancy auto's, etc, etc.......well it put a lot of industries in a financial hurt that took years to overcome...some never did but it didn't hurt the rich it hurt the common working middle class man that depends on such for income, he was the one hurt & left out, not the rich who can endure . tfitz54, you need to take a basic economics class or take a job or start up a company in the private sector, lose your income one time and you'll convert to reality.
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Rocky Raab
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USA
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Posted - 11/17/2017 :  11:35:44 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think the poster left off the SHI prefix to his/her/its screen name.

He/she/it must be one of the 50% of Americans who pay no income taxes at all, but get a generous refund, which explains being a Democrat. So for him/her/it, the tax reform bill is utterly moot. Until that class of freeloaders is brought to task to pay its own share, that is. Listen to him/her/it howl then!

Oh, and maybe he/she/it would prefer to import live elephants and shoot them here? A safari to a Texas ranch would be simpler if not much cheaper than a flight to Africa.
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serf
Anti Gun Lib

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Posted - 11/17/2017 :  11:43:50 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

The show will go on until The Federal reserve unwinds all that debt we the people own and begins to try to service new debt at low-interest rates.

The dollar will collapse in value when all those default credit swaps are called in as interest rates increase for funding new debt.The investors will wake up and find out the U.S. dollar is nothing but digits in some computer like Bitcoin.

serf
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FDHBFRBN

Public issues held by the Federal Reserve banks have been revised to include Ginnie Mae and exclude the following Government-Sponsored Enterprises: Federal National Mortgage Association, Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation, and the Federal Home Loan Bank System.
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guntech59
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Brunei
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Posted - 11/17/2017 :  12:17:45 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by He Dog




Because trickle-down only works for the rich guys at the top? Didn't work in Reagan's time and won't work now. The average guy in our income range might see an $800/year savings, the rich will see far more savings, and there is no way to balance the books without taking out pork, which ain't gonna happen.



In red.....this is the crux of the matter. Stop wasting money from taxes already collected.

Our government is borrowing money to operate, then gives away billions as 'foreign aid'. I don't know of any people or businesses that operate that way.

US Army (Ret.)
1977-1998

“Laws that forbid the carrying of arms. . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” — Jefferson`s “Commonplace Book,”

“Political tags – such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth – are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.” Robert A. Heinlein

“Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.”- Heraclitus.
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Horse Plains Drifter
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Botswana
30213 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  12:30:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by guntech59

quote:
Originally posted by He Dog




Because trickle-down only works for the rich guys at the top? Didn't work in Reagan's time and won't work now. The average guy in our income range might see an $800/year savings, the rich will see far more savings, and there is no way to balance the books without taking out pork, which ain't gonna happen.



In red.....this is the crux of the matter. Stop wasting money from taxes already collected.

Our government is borrowing money to operate, then gives away billions as 'foreign aid'. I don't know of any people or businesses that operate that way.

Yep, I have said for years that if waste was curtailed, EVERY tax could be cut in half with NO reduction of service.


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SCOUT5
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Posted - 11/17/2017 :  12:40:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by He Dog

quote:
Originally posted by NeoBlackdog

Lower taxes seem to stimulate the economy and generate greater federal revenue every time they're tried (Kennedy, Reagan, Bush in my memory). Why wouldn't it work this time? It would be especially good if they were to cut spending, also, but let's start with baby steps.
As for the elephants, if they are from a herd that needs culled and a hunter has paid big bucks for the opportunity to hunt one, what's wrong with letting him bring his trophy home? The elephants still dead, and if it is killed in the interests of managing a herd for the good of ALL elephants, then it's no big deal.






Because trickle-down only works for the rich guys at the top? Didn't work in Reagan's time and won't work now. The average guy in our income range might see an $800/year savings, the rich will see far more savings, and there is no way to balance the books without taking out pork, which ain't gonna happen.



If a man making $80,000 a year saves $800 a year that's a 1% savings. If a man making $800,000 a year saves $4,000 a year that is 0.5% savings.

So, did the $800,000 a year man save 1/2 as much as the $80,000 a year man, or did he save 5 times as much?

Which would help your finances the most, saving 1% in taxes or saving 0.5% in taxes? In the scenario above, who do you think it helps the most?

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SCOUT5
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11526 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  12:53:44 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by He Dog

quote:
Originally posted by NeoBlackdog

Lower taxes seem to stimulate the economy and generate greater federal revenue every time they're tried (Kennedy, Reagan, Bush in my memory). Why wouldn't it work this time? It would be especially good if they were to cut spending, also, but let's start with baby steps.
As for the elephants, if they are from a herd that needs culled and a hunter has paid big bucks for the opportunity to hunt one, what's wrong with letting him bring his trophy home? The elephants still dead, and if it is killed in the interests of managing a herd for the good of ALL elephants, then it's no big deal.






Because trickle-down only works for the rich guys at the top? Didn't work in Reagan's time and won't work now. The average guy in our income range might see an $800/year savings, the rich will see far more savings, and there is no way to balance the books without taking out pork, which ain't gonna happen.



Funny, in the late 70's work shut off like someone threw a switch. We all made money in the 80's.
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guntech59
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Brunei
21024 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  12:56:28 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter

quote:
Originally posted by guntech59

quote:
Originally posted by He Dog




Because trickle-down only works for the rich guys at the top? Didn't work in Reagan's time and won't work now. The average guy in our income range might see an $800/year savings, the rich will see far more savings, and there is no way to balance the books without taking out pork, which ain't gonna happen.



In red.....this is the crux of the matter. Stop wasting money from taxes already collected.

Our government is borrowing money to operate, then gives away billions as 'foreign aid'. I don't know of any people or businesses that operate that way.

Yep, I have said for years that if waste was curtailed, EVERY tax could be cut in half with NO reduction of service.



Absolutely true!


US Army (Ret.)
1977-1998

“Laws that forbid the carrying of arms. . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” — Jefferson`s “Commonplace Book,”

“Political tags – such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth – are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.” Robert A. Heinlein

“Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.”- Heraclitus.
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Hunter Mag
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USA
6880 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  1:41:22 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SCOUT5

quote:
Originally posted by He Dog

quote:
Originally posted by NeoBlackdog

Lower taxes seem to stimulate the economy and generate greater federal revenue every time they're tried (Kennedy, Reagan, Bush in my memory). Why wouldn't it work this time? It would be especially good if they were to cut spending, also, but let's start with baby steps.
As for the elephants, if they are from a herd that needs culled and a hunter has paid big bucks for the opportunity to hunt one, what's wrong with letting him bring his trophy home? The elephants still dead, and if it is killed in the interests of managing a herd for the good of ALL elephants, then it's no big deal.






Because trickle-down only works for the rich guys at the top? Didn't work in Reagan's time and won't work now. The average guy in our income range might see an $800/year savings, the rich will see far more savings, and there is no way to balance the books without taking out pork, which ain't gonna happen.



If a man making $80,000 a year saves $800 a year that's a 1% savings. If a man making $800,000 a year saves $4,000 a year that is 0.5% savings.

So, did the $800,000 a year man save 1/2 as much as the $80,000 a year man, or did he save 5 times as much?

Which would help your finances the most, saving 1% in taxes or saving 0.5% in taxes? In the scenario above, who do you think it helps the most?

Scout this is how propaganda works.
The democrats would say this tax bill only benefits the rich because this rich man was able to save 500% more money than the middle class. See I told you.

Remember this quote... "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson


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Mr. Perfect
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Posted - 11/17/2017 :  2:05:20 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm having the hardest time imagining why anyone would be proud to associate with the Democrats, unless they themselves were corrupt lovers of evil and perversity.

"When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace." -Jesus

"Also he [David] bade them teach the children of Judah [the use of] the bow" -Samuel

"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

Some will die in hot pursuit and fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit while sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life and drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche coming down the mountain

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Hunter Mag
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USA
6880 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  2:06:35 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Perfect

I'm having the hardest time imagining why anyone would be proud to associate with the Democrats, unless they themselves were corrupt lovers of evil and perversity.


I think you just answered your own question, what else could it be?

Remember this quote... "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson


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grumpygy
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USA
39447 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  2:08:41 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What is this guy doing on a Gun Forum unless he is trolling. We all know how Democrats feel about guns.
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bigoutside
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South Sandwich Islands
18224 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  2:43:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by droptop

No links ? Either a GBGD opinion or unsubstantiated ,,,

An opinion piece usually isn't worth researching and B.S. even less so.



If you really want to understand, google “multiplier effect” “marginal propensity to consume” and “marginal propensity to save”.

Plenty of good basic videos and articles that explain these concepts.

Then you will understand why a tax cut at the lower end has a different outcome than a tax cut at the high end.


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SCOUT5
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Posted - 11/17/2017 :  4:42:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bigoutside

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Originally posted by droptop

No links ? Either a GBGD opinion or unsubstantiated ,,,

An opinion piece usually isn't worth researching and B.S. even less so.



If you really want to understand, google “multiplier effect” “marginal propensity to consume” and “marginal propensity to save”.

Plenty of good basic videos and articles that explain these concepts.

Then you will understand why a tax cut at the lower end has a different outcome than a tax cut at the high end.






You mean there are actual studies and theories addressing a person's right to do what they wish with their own money? Even without interference and manipulation from the government?

Imagine that.
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Mr. Perfect
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Originally posted by grumpygy

What is this guy doing on a Gun Forum unless he is trolling. We all know how Democrats feel about guns.

He says he "loves guns" and owns several, but has made it clear he supports all manner of 2A infringements. That is a complete surprise to no one. Logic escapes the left completely.

"When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace." -Jesus

"Also he [David] bade them teach the children of Judah [the use of] the bow" -Samuel

"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

Some will die in hot pursuit and fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit while sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life and drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche coming down the mountain

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Horse Plains Drifter
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Posted - 11/17/2017 :  5:21:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Perfect

quote:
Originally posted by grumpygy

What is this guy doing on a Gun Forum unless he is trolling. We all know how Democrats feel about guns.

He says he "loves guns" and owns several, but has made it clear he supports all manner of 2A infringements. That is a complete surprise to no one. Logic escapes the left completely.

Well he sure isn't alone on this forum with that line of thought. There are numerous "conservative" types here that are 2A haters.


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Mr. Perfect
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quote:
Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Perfect

quote:
Originally posted by grumpygy

What is this guy doing on a Gun Forum unless he is trolling. We all know how Democrats feel about guns.

He says he "loves guns" and owns several, but has made it clear he supports all manner of 2A infringements. That is a complete surprise to no one. Logic escapes the left completely.

Well he sure isn't alone on this forum with that line of thought. There are numerous "conservative" types here that are 2A haters.

Yep.

"When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace." -Jesus

"Also he [David] bade them teach the children of Judah [the use of] the bow" -Samuel

"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

Some will die in hot pursuit and fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit while sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life and drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche coming down the mountain

G1
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I am a Democrat and proud of it! What do all you Republicans think about this ABOMINATION your Conress just past they call Tax Relief? You know how I feel!
#2 How do you feel about your President now allowing the importation of dead elephants?
I just want to hear the other side of things. I cannot for the life of me figure out how if you are Middle Class making under $150,000 a year you would be for this? If you think big Corporations are going to pass it down, I have this bridge between the UP and LP of Michigan I will give you a good deal on! How can you be a Fiscal Coservative and just increase the deficit by 1500 Billion Dollars to give rich people more money! There is 0 proof or evidence Trickle Down Economics works? Did not work in 1987 Why now? Unemployment is at 4% now. Even if you by some miracle did stimulate our economy you are going to throw us into massive inflation! I am not trying to be a troll but cannot understand why anyone is for this.
Finally I hunt a few pheasants but LOVE endangered elephants. They are of no use extinct! They are majestic animals!
So what you got? I




Clearly you have been watching FAKE NEWS.

Check it out, in the top ten net worth in congress, there are 5 Democrats and 5 Republicans.....and NONE of the congress people are searching for their last meal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_members_of_the_United_States_Congress_by_wealth


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Sperry
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Caint make tails of your post. all the words blur together.

Captain Paragraph, to the rescue!!!

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wifetrained
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Posted - 11/19/2017 :  8:52:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by tfitz54

I am a Democrat and proud of it! What do all you Republicans think about this ABOMINATION your Conress just past they call Tax Relief? You know how I feel!
#2 How do you feel about your President now allowing the importation of dead elephants?
I just want to hear the other side of things. I cannot for the life of me figure out how if you are Middle Class making under $150,000 a year you would be for this? If you think big Corporations are going to pass it down, I have this bridge between the UP and LP of Michigan I will give you a good deal on! How can you be a Fiscal Coservative and just increase the deficit by 1500 Billion Dollars to give rich people more money! There is 0 proof or evidence Trickle Down Economics works? Did not work in 1987 Why now? Unemployment is at 4% now. Even if you by some miracle did stimulate our economy you are going to throw us into massive inflation! I am not trying to be a troll but cannot understand why anyone is for this.
Finally I hunt a few pheasants but LOVE endangered elephants. They are of no use extinct! They are majestic animals!
So what you got? I




My ol' my....where to start;

Lets start with taxes...my wife and I have a combined income of around 63K, lower middle class for sure. So my marginal tax rate is 15%. Now lets add another 10-11% for combined FICA and Medicare taxes.

So 25-26 cents out of every dollar is gone right off the bat, before I ever pay a bill or purchase a gallon of gas or a bag of groceries.
Oh but wait it gets better, for every gallon of gas I purchase here in Washington State I get to pay a combined (state and federal)62.9 cents in taxes and all I get in return is corrupt unresponsive government and crappy roads. Oh wait, I forgot, our sales tax for this area is 9.1%. Did I forget anything....HHHMMMM....let me think, OH YEAH....I have property taxes to deal with every 6 months and it went up almost 30% from last year and I live in a mobile home out in the boondocks. I'm not listing the myriad of taxes one finds on their bills. Good god almighty, what's left???? Hold on a sec, that horse is still breathing, WHACK IT A FEW MORE TIMES!!!

At least Trump is attempting to do something. He just doesn't realize what he's up against when it comes to the repub's and the dim's, two parties that are rotten and corrupt to the core, who are beholden to special interests, owned by K street lobbyist's, and feel they are above the law.

You want fairness in the tax code, do away with all of it and go to a flat 10% consumption tax. That's it, everyone pays, no exceptions, no deductions, everyone has a dog in the hunt. WOW, no IRS needed because all taxes would be collected at the POS. How much money would that save, how many data breaches would be avoided. No more having 47% not paying any income taxes at all. A lot less accountants, tax firms, and lawyers, how sweet would that be. Oh yeah and while we're at it end all subsidies period. It'll never happen because politician's, democrats and republicans both, like power and control and are loathed to give it up. They're two sides of the same coin. To hear one state that they're "FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE" but "SOCIALLY LIBERAL" brings on hysterical laughter because it's such a contradiction. Not to mention pure blather. Obama accumulated more debt in 8 years than all other presidents combined. In fact over 90% of the national debt can be laid at the feet of 3 presidents....Clinton, Bush (43), and Obama. Great job fellas, living proof you can't fix stupid.

And lets not forget, both parties will figure a way to take it all back over time.....they always do.

Inflation....REALLY.....OH WAIT, MASSIVE INFLATION. Where have you been, doing any shopping lately? A half gallon of milk cost more than a gallon of gas, a loaf of brand name bread cost around $5.00 a loaf, hell store brand bread ain't cheap either. Eggs, butter, meat, utility costs have been skyrocketing for years but wait....I'm sorry, those costs aren't factored into the inflation numbers. Give me a break pal, both parties have been lying their azz's off for decades and the ultimate fools have been the American public.

Now we're on to employment....WHEW! The unemployment numbers are as phony as our currency, have been for many many years. You can't have a 62.9% labor participation rate and a 4.1% unemployment number, it's simply impossible, it's a lie. Trump stated that the actual number was between 16-23% when he was candidate Trump. Now a year later it's plummeted down to the current "reported" 4.1%. I don't think so. Both parties have dug this hole sooooo deep that they have no clue how to arrest the damage let alone fix the problem. They keep kickin the can down the road praying the whole shebang doesn't implode on their watch, so they can blame the other guys. The trains going to wreck people, it's not a question of if, it's a question of when.

And the Elephants, well go talk to the countries in Africa first, they're the ones allowing it to happen in the first place.

Rant over, I need a drink!

Edited by - wifetrained on 11/20/2017 09:58:21 AM
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mjrfd99
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Posted - 11/20/2017 :  08:44:24 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Democraps worry about elephants while murder and slavery of CP by CP runs rampant all over the darkie continent BUT gets a pass.

"I'm a denocrat" + a 2-faced POS like cnn dnc and blm poop


Edited by - mjrfd99 on 11/20/2017 08:44:54 AM
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mjrfd99
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Posted - 12/15/2017 :  10:35:26 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by shilowar

quote:
Originally posted by oldWinchesterfan

Just wanting to weigh in, I'm for both. Your facts are based on fake news. That is all.



It is simply amazing isn't it? Do they think that the democrats would bring them any kind of tax relief? The Dems want to give more give aways to the poor, not the middle class. Perhaps I am mis-remembering but I just don't remember a time where the opposition was so blatantly dishonest. Everything is to an extreme, there is zero moderation in tone, and or words anymore. I was ashamed to see members of congress during hearings openly saying the president is unstable, and irrational. It is just shameful behavior, and they smirk like there is no real consequence for their behavior. I am disgusted with the whole thing.



YEP!
Without the gimmie dat scumbags and the criminals -legal and illegal the democraps would be DOA long ago. Your a democrap? Then your with the filth too.
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