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select-fire
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Posted - 12/05/2017 :  2:43:38 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I reckon Kyle is both a hero and a fibber. Should have retracted the statement.

http://insider.foxnews.com/amp/article/59277

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A Minnesota jury awarded him , I did not realize the case was in heard in Minnesota (his home state), it's no wonder he won, the jury was probably stacked with middle easterners since so many now call Minnesota home and could pay revenge on Kyle's work......... Ventura is a genuine rectum
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mnrivrat48
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Posted - 12/06/2017 :  01:56:51 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Junkballer :
quote:
Ventura is a genuine rectum


So much for your ability to think and talk !

You don't have a clue .

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dfletcher
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Posted - 12/06/2017 :  02:12:25 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Junkballer

A Minnesota jury awarded him , I did not realize the case was in heard in Minnesota (his home state), it's no wonder he won, the jury was probably stacked with middle easterners since so many now call Minnesota home and could pay revenge on Kyle's work......... Ventura is a genuine rectum



The 8th Circuit overturned the lower court. The two parties settled out of court. It cannot be said that one side won and the other lost. After settlement the proper thing for each party to do is shut up. I think well of the party that manages to accomplish this simple task and less of the party that finds it beyond their abilities.

dsf

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remingtonoaks
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Posted - 12/06/2017 :  03:04:40 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mnrivrat48

Junkballer :
quote:
Ventura is a genuine rectum


So much for your ability to think and talk !

You don't have a clue .




Do you really think that it's being a stand-up guy suing a man that his dead and cannot defend himself????????? Especially over something as frivolous is whether he kicked his ass or not?????? And then the scuzzbucket, doochbag, rectum has the audacity to call a dead American Hero.... "the American liar"

Ventura is a rectum, scuzz bucket and a doochbag.

By the way, so much for your ability to think

And yes, I do know that you don't spell doochebag that way, damn the autosensors

Edited by - remingtonoaks on 12/06/2017 03:12:43 AM
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35 Whelen
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shilowar
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Posted - 12/06/2017 :  04:47:05 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dfletcher

quote:
Originally posted by Junkballer

A Minnesota jury awarded him , I did not realize the case was in heard in Minnesota (his home state), it's no wonder he won, the jury was probably stacked with middle easterners since so many now call Minnesota home and could pay revenge on Kyle's work......... Ventura is a genuine rectum



The 8th Circuit overturned the lower court. The two parties settled out of court. It cannot be said that one side won and the other lost. After settlement the proper thing for each party to do is shut up. I think well of the party that manages to accomplish this simple task and less of the party that finds it beyond their abilities.



Can't be said one side won? I'd say there are $1.8 million dollars worth of admission that Kyle did not accurately represent their interaction. Ventura took them to task for Kyle's statements and they could not defend them. One can dislike Ventura and still see the truth of the matter, there was no compelling evidence that supported Kyle's statements. This entire event was turned into a personality contest. Don't attack the dead hero in order to deflect from his defamation of Ventura. I don't blame Ventura one bit for not letting this go if it in fact was a complete fabrication. Ventura gave Chris Kyle plenty of opportunities to retract his statement before he died, but Kyle was selling a book. Ventura gave Kyle's widow an opportunity to retract his statement. Why should Ventura suffer the lie of Chris Kyle for the remainder of his days just because Kyle died? I'm not a Vnetura fan, but I support his right to defend himself and his reputation.

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select-fire
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Posted - 12/06/2017 :  08:24:53 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by shilowar

quote:
Originally posted by dfletcher

quote:
Originally posted by Junkballer

A Minnesota jury awarded him , I did not realize the case was in heard in Minnesota (his home state), it's no wonder he won, the jury was probably stacked with middle easterners since so many now call Minnesota home and could pay revenge on Kyle's work......... Ventura is a genuine rectum



The 8th Circuit overturned the lower court. The two parties settled out of court. It cannot be said that one side won and the other lost. After settlement the proper thing for each party to do is shut up. I think well of the party that manages to accomplish this simple task and less of the party that finds it beyond their abilities.



Can't be said one side won? I'd say there are $1.8 million dollars worth of admission that Kyle did not accurately represent their interaction. Ventura took them to task for Kyle's statements and they could not defend them. One can dislike Ventura and still see the truth of the matter, there was no compelling evidence that supported Kyle's statements. This entire event was turned into a personality contest. Don't attack the dead hero in order to deflect from his defamation of Ventura. I don't blame Ventura one bit for not letting this go if it in fact was a complete fabrication. Ventura gave Chris Kyle plenty of opportunities to retract his statement before he died, but Kyle was selling a book. Ventura gave Kyle's widow an opportunity to retract his statement. Why should Ventura suffer the lie of Chris Kyle for the remainder of his days just because Kyle died? I'm not a Vnetura fan, but I support his right to defend himself and his reputation.



+1. Kyle wasn't dead when this fiasco started. Ventura gave Kyle the opportunity to retract when he was alive. In all reality Kyle had a fantasy world. I just wonder if he said or done something to the man that killed him.
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mnrivrat48
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Posted - 12/06/2017 :  09:17:00 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Do you really think that it's being a stand-up guy suing a man that his dead and cannot defend himself?????????


Shows how much you know about the case.

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us55840
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Venture is slightly lower than whale poop IMO.


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Junkballer
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Posted - 12/06/2017 :  09:41:31 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mnrivrat48

Junkballer :
quote:
Ventura is a genuine rectum


So much for your ability to think and talk !

You don't have a clue .


Per your screen name I'll take it that your from Minnesota and defensive toward your man.....that's understandable. Ventura's actions while in public life is / has been clues to me, if it's different please share with us. As for your scoping out my "abilities", I could put you in awe in other areas ......I'll stand firm on my opinion, he's a rectum, 1st. class
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skicat
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quote:
Originally posted by Junkballer

quote:
Originally posted by mnrivrat48

Junkballer :
quote:
Ventura is a genuine rectum


So much for your ability to think and talk !

You don't have a clue .


Per your screen name I'll take it that your from Minnesota and defensive toward your man.....that's understandable. Ventura's actions while in public life is / has been clues to me, if it's different please share with us. As for your scoping out my "abilities", I could put you in awe in other areas ......I'll stand firm on my opinion, he's a rectum, 1st. class



I really don't believe you understand what actually happened in the case. Ventura didn't do anything wrong or anything to be ashamed of. He didn't sue a dead guy, he didn't sue the starving widow, the family was never in danger of losing one nickel over this, and still there are folks like you engaged in some seriously sick hero worship who continue to malign someone who did nothing except try and set the record straight. As our President would say…very sad.

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Mr. Perfect
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quote:
Originally posted by skicat

quote:
Originally posted by Junkballer

quote:
Originally posted by mnrivrat48

Junkballer :
quote:
Ventura is a genuine rectum


So much for your ability to think and talk !

You don't have a clue .


Per your screen name I'll take it that your from Minnesota and defensive toward your man.....that's understandable. Ventura's actions while in public life is / has been clues to me, if it's different please share with us. As for your scoping out my "abilities", I could put you in awe in other areas ......I'll stand firm on my opinion, he's a rectum, 1st. class



I really don't believe you understand what actually happened in the case. Ventura didn't do anything wrong or anything to be ashamed of. He didn't sue a dead guy, he didn't sue the starving widow, the family was never in danger of losing one nickel over this, and still there are folks like you engaged in some seriously sick hero worship who continue to malign someone who did nothing except try and set the record straight. As our President would say…very sad.

That's how I understand it too.

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JamesRK
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Since I wasn't there when the incident or non-incident happened or didn't, I won't speculate about who got screwed, but that isn't necessary for me to form an opinion of James George Janos AKA Jesse 'The Body' Ventura.

Mister Ventura claims to be a former U. S. Navy SEAL and wears the BUDS Combat Specialist device. Since Mister Ventura never qualified as a U. S. Navy SEAL, in my opinion that makes him a POSEUR.

I have explained my opinion or poseurs before. There are two kinds of poseurs, the funny and the pitiful. Mister Ventura might be both.

For the Ventura defenders here, don't bother trying to explain the "justification" for his claim to being a SEAL. I served with several sailors who had more claim to that lie than Mister Ventura and none of them made the claim.

https://www.military.com/veteran-jobs/career-advice/military-transition/famous-veteran-jesse-ventura.html

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mnrivrat48
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Per your screen name I'll take it that your from Minnesota and defensive toward your man.....that's understandable. Ventura's actions while in public life is / has been clues to me, if it's different please share with us. As for your scoping out my "abilities", I could put you in awe in other areas ......I'll stand firm on my opinion, he's a rectum, 1st. class


My defense toward Ventura is based on the fact that he served his country in the military and as a Navy Seal. That alone should call for some respect, but he was also the best Governor this state has had in my lifetime. I respect him and believe he is an honest man. Your language and your lack of respect for a former Navy Seal with nothing but your opinion regarding his personality has not come close to putting me in awe. Nor has it given me cause to respect your opinion.

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JamesRK
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quote:
Originally posted by mnrivrat48

My defense toward Ventura is based on the fact that he served his country in the military and as a Navy Seal. That alone should call for some respect, but he was also the best Governor this state has had in my lifetime. I respect him and believe he is an honest man. Your language and your lack of respect for a former Navy Seal with nothing but your opinion regarding his personality has not come close to putting me in awe. Nor has it given me cause to respect your opinion.

James George Janos AKA Jesse 'The Body' Ventura did serve his country in the U. S. Navy but not as a Navy SEAL. As far as I'm concerned service in the U. S. Navy is an honorable way to make a living but he lost any respect I might have had for him when he started making his claim that he was a Navy SEAL.

Mister Ventura has the same claim to being a Navy SEAL as I have to being a C-130 pilot. By the way, I ain't a C-130 pilot. Mister Ventura was a member of a UDT (underwater demolition team). When Mister Ventura was in the Navy UDT and SEAL were two totally separate things. If you want to know what Mister Ventura bases his claim on, click the link in my above post. Mister Ventura is a poseur.

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Jesse or whatever his name is. Looking for some free fame and money. The clear what name? Over what lie. The one he is living?

The entire affair is shameful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u99Q7pNAjvg
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Junkballer
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quote:
Originally posted by mnrivrat48

Your language and your lack of respect for a former Navy Seal with nothing but your opinion regarding his personality has not come close to putting me in awe. Nor has it given me cause to respect your opinion.

My language, your joking right ?? I haven't even wrote the words "Navy Seals" on any of my post so why throw that at me ?? Your respect ? I don't need it nor have I even asked for it . Words that my Grandmother used while shaking her head side to side when she couldn't understand someone like you come to my mind...... Lordy-Lordy . I expressed my opinion of Ventura politely and as stated before, I'll stick with it . Read JamesRK post and definetly read his link.....old news but true.
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Any thing related to Ventura about a Seal is not even relevant to the case he had against Kyle. Period. Kyle wrote in his book he had a fight with Ventura. That would be totally insane. Ventura would made a pretzel out of him. Ventura sued him Before someone KILLED Kyle. Ventura won that case..it was appealed and Ventura lost. Ventura took a settlement and WON. Period. He now has the right to call the dead man Kyle a liar. Because he was. I reckon Kyle let his mouth overload his ass. Ventura got his defamation settled once and for all. I cannot blame Ventura for being angry. Someone who spreads false pretense is not honorable. A liar. Ventura proved that. Kyle just run up against someone who wouldn't take any crap that he dished out.
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skicat
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quote:
Originally posted by JamesRK

quote:
Originally posted by mnrivrat48

My defense toward Ventura is based on the fact that he served his country in the military and as a Navy Seal. That alone should call for some respect, but he was also the best Governor this state has had in my lifetime. I respect him and believe he is an honest man. Your language and your lack of respect for a former Navy Seal with nothing but your opinion regarding his personality has not come close to putting me in awe. Nor has it given me cause to respect your opinion.

James George Janos AKA Jesse 'The Body' Ventura did serve his country in the U. S. Navy but not as a Navy SEAL. As far as I'm concerned service in the U. S. Navy is an honorable way to make a living but he lost any respect I might have had for him when he started making his claim that he was a Navy SEAL.

Mister Ventura has the same claim to being a Navy SEAL as I have to being a C-130 pilot. By the way, I ain't a C-130 pilot. Mister Ventura was a member of a UDT (underwater demolition team). When Mister Ventura was in the Navy UDT and SEAL were two totally separate things. If you want to know what Mister Ventura bases his claim on, click the link in my above post. Mister Ventura is a poseur.




James here is an link which may clarify his military status for you.

https://navyseals.com/ns-overview/notable-seals/jesse-ventura/

There are other references to his being a BUDS graduate and other SEALs who are on record affirming his status as a member of the SEAL community. As far as I've been able to discern, the only people splitting hairs over whether he was a SEAL or not are those interested in degrading him for his temerity in suing Kyle. As far as I can tell, Ventura isn't making up anything about his military career and as Select fire has accurately noted, Venturas SEAL status has nothing whatsoever to do with him catching Kyle in a huge lie.


lifted from another site.

22 December 1999, 12:12
http://www.netramp.net/WallOfShame/jesse.htm

The "Official" Word on Jesse Ventura

A source at the Naval Special Warfare Command states:
Our take is that Jesse Ventura is a SEAL. He even did his reserve time in SEAL Team ONE. He earned and wears the trident....Captain Larry Bailey is probably the best guy to talk to about this, but OFFICIALLY, we think its splitting hairs by Salisbury and the Navy considers Jesse Ventura as a former SEAL.. Hope that helps.


Captain Larry Bailey states:
JESSE VENTURA SEAL OR NOT?

Jesse Ventura went through UDT/SEAL Class 58 in 1970 and was assigned to UDT-12, where he spent three years (including three deployments fo Subic Bay, Philippines). As a UDT frogman, he operated in Viet Nam waters and earned the US Viet Nam Service Ribbon. He undoubtedly, like so may UDT men of that era, went ashore in Viet Nam for short periods of time. After he was released from active duty in 1973, he joined Reserve SEAL Team ONE. The point here is that all graduates of BUD/S are referred to within the Naval Special Warfare community as SEALs. They received the same training, whether they went to SEAL Teams or Underwater Demolition Teams. The case made by Commander Salisbury on Fox News Channel recently is without merit; Jesse Ventura is a SEAL by any definition.
Larry Bailey, Captain, USN (Ret.)

R.D. and Pam Russell, Co-Directors of Navel Special Warfare Archives state:
The official view point of the Archives is that Jesse was a SEAL. He completed BUD/S and the SEAL course in the desert. The west coast used UDT as a man power pool so they could pull people at any time without there being a training delay.


There you have it, three "official" statements, draw your own conclusions...

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Edited by - skicat on 12/06/2017 9:33:10 PM
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JamesRK
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skicat, I don't disagree with you very often and who knows when it will happen again, so I started answering your post piece by piece, but it got so long and boring even I thought it was tiresome. So I discarded that and decided to take the shortcut.

The quick easy way to find out if Ventura is a former U. S. Navy SEAL is for him to show that page of his Enlisted Service Record (currently NAVPERS 1070/613). If it shows qualification as SEa, Air, and Land Warfare Specialist then he was a Navy SEAL, if not he wasn't. Either way the argument is over. I have a feeling we'll see Obama's REAL birth certificate first.

Your official statements are worthless; a couple of them less than worthless. If you still disagree with me that Ventura is a poseur I'll go back and pick it apart a piece at a time, but probably not tonight. Any source that cites "A Source at, ect." isn't really a source.

Part of the confusion is at one time the Underwater Demolition Team (UDT) training was the same as part of the SEAL training. The two schools were merged and the UDT class graduated 21 weeks before the SEAL candidates.

In my opinion any member of an Underwater Demolition Team has plenty to be proud of but some people have to inflate the resume no matter what level of expertise they actually reached.

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quote:
Originally posted by select-fire

Any thing related to Ventura about a Seal is not even relevant to the case he had against Kyle. Period. Kyle wrote in his book he had a fight with Ventura. That would be totally insane. Ventura would made a pretzel out of him. Ventura sued him Before someone KILLED Kyle. Ventura won that case..it was appealed and Ventura lost. Ventura took a settlement and WON. Period. He now has the right to call the dead man Kyle a liar. Because he was. I reckon Kyle let his mouth overload his ass. Ventura got his defamation settled once and for all. I cannot blame Ventura for being angry. Someone who spreads false pretense is not honorable. A liar. Ventura proved that. Kyle just run up against someone who wouldn't take any crap that he dished out.


Nothing related to anybody about anything is relevant to the case. The case is settled. No more testimony invited or allowed. What we are talking about is just as relevant as anything. In other words, not at all.

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mnrivrat48
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quote:
I expressed my opinion of Ventura politely and as stated before, I'll stick with


quote:
Ventura is a genuine rectum


So that is what you call polite ?

I am overwhelmed by your politeness. by !


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skicat
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quote:
Originally posted by JamesRK

skicat, I don't disagree with you very often and who knows when it will happen again, so I started answering your post piece by piece, but it got so long and boring even I thought it was tiresome. So I discarded that and decided to take the shortcut.

The quick easy way to find out if Ventura is a former U. S. Navy SEAL is for him to show that page of his Enlisted Service Record (currently NAVPERS 1070/613). If it shows qualification as SEa, Air, and Land Warfare Specialist then he was a Navy SEAL, if not he wasn't. Either way the argument is over. I have a feeling we'll see Obama's REAL birth certificate first.

Your official statements are worthless; a couple of them less than worthless. If you still disagree with me that Ventura is a poseur I'll go back and pick it apart a piece at a time, but probably not tonight. Any source that cites "A Source at, ect." isn't really a source.

Part of the confusion is at one time the Underwater Demolition Team (UDT) training was the same as part of the SEAL training. The two schools were merged and the UDT class graduated 21 weeks before the SEAL candidates.

In my opinion any member of an Underwater Demolition Team has plenty to be proud of but some people have to inflate the resume no matter what level of expertise they actually reached.




James I defer to your understanding of all things concerning the Navy. You have experience and I have none. What frustrates me is that same document you mentioned would seem to clear this up and yet has never been produced by Venturas detractors either. In the absence of anything verifiable by me I tend to give the man the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps he is overplaying his hand regarding his use of the word SEAL. Time may reveal the eventual truth.

I do find it odd there is no official statement from the Navy clarifying any of this especially if Ventura is in the wrong. Rather than calling him out on the carpet it would appear he has actually been asked to speak at SEAL graduation ceremonies and that leads me to believe the Navy doesn't find him that objectionable. Like you said, this may belong in the bin with Obamas birth certificate.

The court case is indeed over and I was glad he prevailed in the end.

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JamesRK
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quote:
Originally posted by skicat

James I defer to your understanding of all things concerning the Navy. You have experience and I have none. What frustrates me is that same document you mentioned would seem to clear this up and yet has never been produced by Venturas detractors either. In the absence of anything verifiable by me I tend to give the man the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps he is overplaying his hand regarding his use of the word SEAL. Time may reveal the eventual truth.

I do find it odd there is no official statement from the Navy clarifying any of this especially if Ventura is in the wrong. Rather than calling him out on the carpet it would appear he has actually been asked to speak at SEAL graduation ceremonies and that leads me to believe the Navy doesn't find him that objectionable. Like you said, this may belong in the bin with Obamas birth certificate.

The court case is indeed over and I was glad he prevailed in the end.


skicat, I honestly didn't give a rat's patoot who won the court case. I consider James George Janos AKA Jesse 'The Body' Ventura the same as any other poseur and there are a few things about Chris Kyle that don't make me happy.

Navy Service Records are the rough equivalent of confidential documents. The only people who have access are the person whose record it is and people with a legitimate need to know. This might be why it hasn't come up.

My Navy is big on documentation of training. Methods have evolved a little over time but it's basically the same as it's always been. If it's not in the Service Record it didn't happen, even if it did, and something like that is always checked and double checked by the service member.

It would surprise me greatly if the Navy made an official statement about Ventura's training. That would be a career ending experience for anybody involved and would be an automatic law suit by the side that didn't like the statement.

For what it's worth I can speculate about what I thing might have happened, not that what I think matters or carries any more weight than what anybody else thinks.

As you may know, UDT (Underwater Demolition Teams) were absorbed by the SEAL Teams (SEa-Air-Land Warfare Specialists). During the transition and before SEAL Teams assumed all the duties of UDT Teams the SEAL and UDT schools were consolidated into UDT/SEAL schools. The first part of the training was for both UDT and SEAL candidates because that part of the training applied to both specialties. When the UDT folks graduated the SEAL candidates had another twenty-one weeks of training.

I suspect Ventura thought that was confusing enough that he could claim to be a SEAL and nobody would question it, or if they did and didn't dig deep they wouldn't notice.

Anybody with a military I.D. card can go to the Navy Exchange and buy a miniature BUDs device and put it on his jacket and you can't tell by looking at him he isn't a SEAL. Well, maybe sometimes you can, but you know what I mean.

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I wouldn't be surprised if the Publishers have a deal going with Ventura for a new book... "The American Liar.. The Real Story of Kyle.
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