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bigoutside
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South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 12/06/2017 :  6:49:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/12/06/kate-steinle-murder-trial-jury-didnt-botch-216016

Interesting read from the alternate juror.

“I was an alternate juror in the Kate Steinle murder trial in San Francisco. I didn’t get a vote, but I saw all of the evidence and the jury instructions, and I discussed the verdict with the jury after it was delivered. Most of the public reaction I've seen has been surprise, confusion and derision. If these were among your reactions as well, I'm writing to explain to you why the jury was right to make the decision that it did.”

Spider7115
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Posted - 12/06/2017 :  6:58:30 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
As a convicted felon, he committed a crime as soon as he touched that weapon.

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bigoutside
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Posted - 12/06/2017 :  7:03:54 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Spider7115

As a convicted felon, he committed a crime as soon as he touched that weapon.


That’s addressed in the article.
Shame, isn’t it.

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SG
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USA
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Posted - 12/06/2017 :  7:12:31 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Plus,his story changed 3 times when being interviewed by the police. What about the accountability of Fed who had his weapon stolen? IMO it ultimately comes down to him not being responsible for the securing of his weapon.
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Spider7115
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USA
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Posted - 12/06/2017 :  7:19:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bigoutside

quote:
Originally posted by Spider7115

As a convicted felon, he committed a crime as soon as he touched that weapon.


That’s addressed in the article.
Shame, isn’t it.



Yep, but the prosecution apparently used "brandishing" as the initial crime, which they didn't prove. Maybe they were barred from telling the jury he was a convicted felon. Still, a total miscarriage of justice. I hope the Feds put that SOB away for a long time.

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shilowar
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Posted - 12/06/2017 :  7:20:31 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wow that reads to me like a lot of assumptions were made in place of evidence.
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bigoutside
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South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 12/06/2017 :  7:22:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Spider7115

quote:
Originally posted by bigoutside

quote:
Originally posted by Spider7115

As a convicted felon, he committed a crime as soon as he touched that weapon.


That’s addressed in the article.
Shame, isn’t it.



Yep, but the prosecution apparently used "brandishing" as the initial crime, which they didn't prove. Maybe they were barred from telling the jury he was a convicted felon. Still, a total miscarriage of justice. I hope the Feds put that SOB away for a long time.



Agreed. But unfortunately, they can’t.

Prosecutor screwed the pooch royally.

Kind of like letting OJ try on a shrunken glove.



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us55840
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USA
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Posted - 12/06/2017 :  7:50:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Giving a prayer the FEDS burn that murdering felon big time.


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All comments posted here are my opinion as expressed via the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution.

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Mr. Perfect
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Posted - 12/06/2017 :  7:52:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So, this is the prosecution's fault?

"When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace." -Jesus

"Also he [David] bade them teach the children of Judah [the use of] the bow" -Samuel

"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

Some will die in hot pursuit and fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit while sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life and drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche coming down the mountain

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bpost
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Posted - 12/06/2017 :  7:55:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Perfect

So, this is the prosecution's fault?



Nope, the gun did it.

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Barzillia
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Posted - 12/06/2017 :  8:03:55 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Perfect

So, this is the prosecution's fault?



The death was not.

The overcharging, and subsequent failure to convince a jury to convict, was.

"Most people fancy themselves innocent of those crimes of which they cannot be convicted." Seneca

"Hope has two children: anger, and courage." Augustine, Confessions

Der Verzagten aber und Ungläubigen und Greulichen und Totschläger und Hurer und Zauberer und Abgöttischen und aller Lügner, deren Teil wird sein in dem Pfuhl, der mit Feuer und Schwefel brennt; das ist der andere Tod.


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Mr. Perfect
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Posted - 12/06/2017 :  8:08:34 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Barzillia

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Perfect

So, this is the prosecution's fault?



The death was not.

The overcharging, and subsequent failure to convince a jury to convict, was.

Hogwash. The jury decided to believe it was plausible that a person left a gun wrapped up in a cloth on a public bench, that the trigger pull was so light that merely picking the gun up caused it to go off and the bullet performed a miracle.

"When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace." -Jesus

"Also he [David] bade them teach the children of Judah [the use of] the bow" -Samuel

"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

Some will die in hot pursuit and fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit while sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life and drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche coming down the mountain

G1
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spasmcreek
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Posted - 12/06/2017 :  9:08:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
so now the sanctuary state of kalif is going to hide him from the feds and maybe give him a big settlement for his ordeal on trial ???? a new apartment ?? food stamps and a cell phone so he can call his former home ???
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jimdeere
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USA
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Posted - 12/06/2017 :  10:51:07 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
She died at his hand. Guilty. Case closed.
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Dads3040
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USA
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Posted - 12/07/2017 :  12:35:58 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Perfect

quote:
Originally posted by Barzillia

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Perfect

So, this is the prosecution's fault?



The death was not.

The overcharging, and subsequent failure to convince a jury to convict, was.

Hogwash. The jury decided to believe it was plausible that a person left a gun wrapped up in a cloth on a public bench, that the trigger pull was so light that merely picking the gun up caused it to go off and the bullet performed a miracle.


It is difficult to think that Involuntary Manslaughter could be considered overcharging. Yet the jury decided even that was unwarranted.

This was a jury of leftists who wanted to do their part to support The Cause.

The Object in Life is not to be with the Majority, but Rather to Avoid finding Oneself in the Ranks of the Insane. Marcus Aurelius
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bundy
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USA
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Posted - 12/07/2017 :  02:23:46 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It wouldn't surprise me if the prosecutor intentionally presented this case in a manner that looked like he was trying to convict this guy but gave the jury a way to find him not guilty.
The prosecutor wouldn't want to anger the majority of the people in the city that think this poor Mexican is the real victim just like all the other illegals that come into our country, he might be voted out or have his chances of moving up in the political system killed there if he doesn't think like a true San Franciscan should.

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Spider7115
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USA
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Posted - 12/07/2017 :  07:43:42 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bundy

It wouldn't surprise me if the prosecutor intentionally presented this case in a manner that looked like he was trying to convict this guy but gave the jury a way to find him not guilty.
The prosecutor wouldn't want to anger the majority of the people in the city that think this poor Mexican is the real victim just like all the other illegals that come into our country, he might be voted out or have his chances of moving up in the political system killed there if he doesn't think like a true San Franciscan should.


Good theory. A Lib-rigged trial in Calif wouldn't surprise me.

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mjrfd99
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USA
2082 Posts

Posted - 12/07/2017 :  08:17:12 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Welcome to the USA. Where laws mean nothing.
You'll only get the justice you take.
All others bring maga cash.
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Barzillia
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Posted - 12/07/2017 :  10:21:06 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Perfect

quote:
Originally posted by Barzillia

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Perfect

So, this is the prosecution's fault?



The death was not.

The overcharging, and subsequent failure to convince a jury to convict, was.

Hogwash. The jury decided to believe it was plausible that a person left a gun wrapped up in a cloth on a public bench, that the trigger pull was so light that merely picking the gun up caused it to go off and the bullet performed a miracle.




You are only citing part of what was required to convict or exonerate.

"Most people fancy themselves innocent of those crimes of which they cannot be convicted." Seneca

"Hope has two children: anger, and courage." Augustine, Confessions

Der Verzagten aber und Ungläubigen und Greulichen und Totschläger und Hurer und Zauberer und Abgöttischen und aller Lügner, deren Teil wird sein in dem Pfuhl, der mit Feuer und Schwefel brennt; das ist der andere Tod.


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Mr. Perfect
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Posted - 12/07/2017 :  12:20:32 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Barzillia

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Perfect

quote:
Originally posted by Barzillia

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Perfect

So, this is the prosecution's fault?



The death was not.

The overcharging, and subsequent failure to convince a jury to convict, was.

Hogwash. The jury decided to believe it was plausible that a person left a gun wrapped up in a cloth on a public bench, that the trigger pull was so light that merely picking the gun up caused it to go off and the bullet performed a miracle.




You are only citing part of what was required to convict or exonerate.


Once they were willing to believe all that nonsense the rest falls in line.

"When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace." -Jesus

"Also he [David] bade them teach the children of Judah [the use of] the bow" -Samuel

"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

Some will die in hot pursuit and fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit while sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life and drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche coming down the mountain

G1
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Barzillia
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Posted - 12/07/2017 :  12:53:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Overcharged is overcharged.

"Most people fancy themselves innocent of those crimes of which they cannot be convicted." Seneca

"Hope has two children: anger, and courage." Augustine, Confessions

Der Verzagten aber und Ungläubigen und Greulichen und Totschläger und Hurer und Zauberer und Abgöttischen und aller Lügner, deren Teil wird sein in dem Pfuhl, der mit Feuer und Schwefel brennt; das ist der andere Tod.


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