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dodge69
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Posted - 01/08/2018 :  08:28:32 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have noticed some of the 1895 Winchesters are advertised for British 303 caliber ammo and some say 30 Gov 03. Is there a difference in the ammo?

charliemeyer007
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Posted - 01/08/2018 :  08:51:09 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
303 British is a rimmed cartridge. The 30-03 is rimless and very similar to its later brother the 30-06. The 95 was just fine with the -03 pressures, not so much with the higher -06 levels.

Some day I would like to do a 95 takedown in 30-06 or 30-40 Ackley Improved; perhaps a 7.62 x 54R in AI

Edited by - charliemeyer007 on 01/08/2018 10:16:14 AM
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oldWinchesterfan
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Posted - 01/09/2018 :  9:52:28 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by charliemeyer007

303 British is a rimmed cartridge. The 30-03 is rimless and very similar to its later brother the 30-06. The 95 was just fine with the -03 pressures, not so much with the higher -06 levels.

Some day I would like to do a 95 takedown in 30-06 or 30-40 Ackley Improved; perhaps a 7.62 x 54R in AI



Just curious why you indicate the '95 did not do well with the 30-'06 pressure? Seems that would be less pressure than the 405 WCF which was created specifically for that rifle in 1904. BTW, Winchester made the '95 takedown in 30-'06, mine was made in 1914.


Added: Great info, thank you sir. Made me check head space as well as ME and TE and it appears mine has been shot very little.

Edited by - oldWinchesterfan on 01/09/2018 11:09:15 PM
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charliemeyer007
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Posted - 01/09/2018 :  10:38:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My dad had several 95's when I was a kid. The 405 was one of my favorites. I didn't get to shoot it much because factory ammo was like a buck each ($20 a pop in today's money). Later I did manage to borrow a Lyman mold for it (hard to find back then). I had to roll the bullets between 2 steel plates for sizing (hard to get the proper bullet sizing die and nose punch), then pan lube them and finally cut them out with a home kate-cutter.

All the 95's in 30-06 I have examined over the years have had head space issues. I think it is caused by a pressure function with bolt thrust from a bottle necked tapered case. Perhaps a minimum taper like an AI case would help along with the much wider variety of powder's available today. Additionally the strain gauge pressure measurement does a much better job a catching the peak pressure compared to the copper crusher method, should provide better loading data to stay in the actions design/materials working limits.

I still remember the 95 in 405 that was for sale at the Phoenix gun show as kid. It had been owned by some Rajah in India. The field book with it had dates and places for like 50 tigers and elephants harvested with the rifle. IIRC it was $100 (about 3 house payments as dad explained to me at the time).
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spirits
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Posted - 01/10/2018 :  8:06:10 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I agree with headspace lengthening in older designed lever action rifles when shooting tapered high pressure rimless cartridges. I've seen it happened to Savage 99s chambered in 308 Winchester which has minimum taper but higher pressure than the 250 and 300 Savage cartridges the 99 was primarily designed for.
So the rajah had a game book for his 1895. I've seen game counters on the cheek of the butt stock of rifles. They interesting all in themselves. Once at a SAXET gun show in San Antonio, there was a rifle with a game counter. The game animals were represented by silver emblems of deer, boar, bobcats, coyotes, etc and single studs served as the game count. What was hilarious at the time was that the last emblem was obviously a house cat.
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