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 Wow. Dont mix recovering from cancer with the flu
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mrmike08075
Cancer Fighter

USA
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Posted - 01/12/2018 :  1:40:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I was doing okay this month pain wise except for the day after physical recovery therapy...

And I had been sleeping better and gone out a few times and been somewhat ambulatory...

Even started to feel a bit guilty about malingering.

Got the flu on Wednesday and it has hit like a hammer.

The pain went off the chart and I have trouble standing and walking.

Even my hair hurts.

And the doc said to cut back on the meds while having the flu - as it can complicate things or could be dangerous.

So the overall hit by a truck pain ache and fatigue that the flu causes added to my existing issues was like a bolt of lightning.

Yesterday was one of my top ten worse pain days ever outside of when I was in the ICU

I will have to force myself to eat something - the nausea is off the charts and while I can go 24 hours with out eating and survive if I don't get some food to stay down I will end up back in the hospital.

The zofran which has worked and helped somewhat with nausea has not helped.

Not feeling sorry for myself or whining I just did not think about the flu and it's effects to someone in my position and condition.

The flu magnified the nausea and fatigue and vertigo by an order of magnitude and the pain has been piquant and surreal.

They insisted on sending a visiting nurse who was in the neighborhood by this morning to check on me or decide if I should be hospitalized.

Apparently the flu is a killer for people recovering from cancer and from surgery...

There is a shortage of iv bags and it's started to effect treatment of oncology patients and those with conditions requiring transfusions and infusions...

And the visiting nurse today knows Makaila and they both want to monitor how I am doing.

Going to the er would not be fun.

Mike

What other dungeon is so dark as ones own heart, what jailer so inexorable as ones own mind.

Nothing gold can stay. Nature's first green is gold. Her hardest hue to hold. Her early leafs flower. But only so an hour. Than leaf subsides to leaf. So eden sank to grief. So dawn goes down today. Nothing gold can stay. (Robert Frost)

spasmcreek
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Posted - 01/12/2018 :  1:45:39 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
getting the drift the flu is real tough this year...hope i miss it
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mrmike08075
Cancer Fighter

USA
7700 Posts

Posted - 01/12/2018 :  2:01:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Makaila says it's a nasty strain and the vaccine is less then 30% effective...

The er has been flooded with cases.

Lots of elderly folk and kids have died or been hospitalized.

Mike

What other dungeon is so dark as ones own heart, what jailer so inexorable as ones own mind.

Nothing gold can stay. Nature's first green is gold. Her hardest hue to hold. Her early leafs flower. But only so an hour. Than leaf subsides to leaf. So eden sank to grief. So dawn goes down today. Nothing gold can stay. (Robert Frost)
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Brookwood
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USA
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Posted - 01/12/2018 :  2:21:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sorry you are having to deal with this Mike!

Seems best to avoid places where sick people go. Hospitals and Dr.'s offices if you can possibly get away with it.

Most public shopping areas are best attended during the off hours.
Hibernation during the winter months (if possible) after you stock up like a SHTF scenario seems almost prudent and tin foil hats not really needed or necessary.
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SCOUT5
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Posted - 01/12/2018 :  2:26:34 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mrmike08075

Makaila says it's a nasty strain and the vaccine is less then 30% effective...

The er has been flooded with cases.

Lots of elderly folk and kids have died or been hospitalized.

Mike



I work a small ER. We've seen a lot of flu already this year. But I haven't treated anyone with the flu that has had the flu vaccine.

With all your treatments and surgeries I'm guessing you couldn't get the vaccine, and if you get out at all you were bound to be exposed. Take care of yourself, it will go away.
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mrmike08075
Cancer Fighter

USA
7700 Posts

Posted - 01/12/2018 :  2:29:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The problem with that is I go to a doctors office or medical facility or hospital quite a lot each month...

As part of the whole not dying thing.

I have to see the primary care doc and the oncologist and radiation oncologist and the physical care specialist and the wound care nurse all the week of the 22nd...

And of course most are at the hospital.

They really have done a lot and spent a lot of time and effort and resources to help keep me alive.

They tell me the staff infection that almost killed me most likely was picked up and passed on at the doc office or hospital.

Mike

What other dungeon is so dark as ones own heart, what jailer so inexorable as ones own mind.

Nothing gold can stay. Nature's first green is gold. Her hardest hue to hold. Her early leafs flower. But only so an hour. Than leaf subsides to leaf. So eden sank to grief. So dawn goes down today. Nothing gold can stay. (Robert Frost)

Edited by - mrmike08075 on 01/12/2018 2:30:39 PM
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Rocky Raab
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USA
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Posted - 01/12/2018 :  2:30:48 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Speaking for all of us, we hope you have a milder strain of it, because it sounds like it's bad enough as it is. The really bad strain has killed over 100 people in the US so far; it's a seriously nasty sumbeach.

It's true that the shot this year only gives partial protection - that means the flu won't kill you. Partial sounds pretty good, huh?
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mrmike08075
Cancer Fighter

USA
7700 Posts

Posted - 01/12/2018 :  2:34:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah.

No vaccines for me just to be careful including the flu one

Mike

What other dungeon is so dark as ones own heart, what jailer so inexorable as ones own mind.

Nothing gold can stay. Nature's first green is gold. Her hardest hue to hold. Her early leafs flower. But only so an hour. Than leaf subsides to leaf. So eden sank to grief. So dawn goes down today. Nothing gold can stay. (Robert Frost)
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SCOUT5
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Posted - 01/12/2018 :  2:41:58 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mrmike08075

Yeah.

No vaccines for me just to be careful including the flu one

Mike



With your immune system compromised by all the treatment your body may not have built up the antibodies even if you had had the vaccine. Just take care of yourself the best you can and hopefully your body will whip it soon.
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jimdeere
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USA
15733 Posts

Posted - 01/12/2018 :  5:09:22 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, wear a mask and don’t touch anything!
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mrmike08075
Cancer Fighter

USA
7700 Posts

Posted - 01/12/2018 :  6:21:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Purell and wet wipes and anti bacterial soap and lots of vitamin c

I keep my head down and muddle on.

Going to eat a cheese sandwich and a baked potato and drink lots of water soon

I just truly feel awful on a level I did not think I would see again

Thanks guys for the support and good will and friendship and prayers and help - it means a lot to me.

Mike

What other dungeon is so dark as ones own heart, what jailer so inexorable as ones own mind.

Nothing gold can stay. Nature's first green is gold. Her hardest hue to hold. Her early leafs flower. But only so an hour. Than leaf subsides to leaf. So eden sank to grief. So dawn goes down today. Nothing gold can stay. (Robert Frost)
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mrmike08075
Cancer Fighter

USA
7700 Posts

Posted - 01/13/2018 :  02:36:00 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Have had good luck and have kept down some decent food taken in small batches and managed two bottles of water...

After taking a few of the zofran anti nausea meds and resisting the urge to puke...

Have the hot and cold thing going on and sweating quite a bit but my temp has come down below 100° for about 6 hours

I washed up and changed out all my clothes and sprayed Lysol around

Still feel awful and battling the nausea has been tough but I learned some self control techniques during radiation therapy and chemotherapy that have helped

Going to try eating some mandarin orange in the morning

And I have some anti nausea lozenges - on a lollipop style stick left over from chemo that I can use (forgot I had any left)

Been doing the damp cool towel on the forehead thing

But damn it's a nasty flu variant - and I feel awful.

Got to do another bottle of water or two before morning - a little water each time I rouse from sleep.

Maybe even a boost protein shake - but I hate them.

Get cold and shiver and on with a blanket - wake up hot and sweat covered and kick it off - back and forth.

Nice to have kept the vomiting at bay for awhile - stomach muscles are still sore though.

Think I am doing OK.

Mike

What other dungeon is so dark as ones own heart, what jailer so inexorable as ones own mind.

Nothing gold can stay. Nature's first green is gold. Her hardest hue to hold. Her early leafs flower. But only so an hour. Than leaf subsides to leaf. So eden sank to grief. So dawn goes down today. Nothing gold can stay. (Robert Frost)
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mjrfd99
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USA
2696 Posts

Posted - 01/13/2018 :  07:07:26 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Prayers Mike, for you and my 3 friends who been in and out of the hospital with the flu.
Been shoveling the Jewish penicillin at them.
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Barzillia
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Posted - 01/13/2018 :  08:07:14 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The flu vaccine is recommended for immunocompromised patients, and folks do develop protective antibodies.

If in doubt, use the HD preparation.

Reports are beginning to appear of Tamiflu shortages.

"Most people fancy themselves innocent of those crimes of which they cannot be convicted." Seneca

"Hope has two children: anger, and courage." Augustine, Confessions

Der Verzagten aber und Ungläubigen und Greulichen und Totschläger und Hurer und Zauberer und Abgöttischen und aller Lügner, deren Teil wird sein in dem Pfuhl, der mit Feuer und Schwefel brennt; das ist der andere Tod.


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SCOUT5
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Posted - 01/13/2018 :  09:33:48 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Barzillia

The flu vaccine is recommended for immunocompromised patients, and folks do develop protective antibodies.

If in doubt, use the HD preparation.

Reports are beginning to appear of Tamiflu shortages.



I had to call around for a patient this week to locate a pharmacy in their area that had some Tamiflu stock. Lot's of flu this year.
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Barzillia
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Posted - 01/13/2018 :  09:40:45 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Surveillance reports lag a week due to data collection, but the rate of rise in infections may be leveling off.


If you wish to do a thought experiment, consider how many ventilators are available in your area and how they would be apportioned in a pandemic.


"Most people fancy themselves innocent of those crimes of which they cannot be convicted." Seneca

"Hope has two children: anger, and courage." Augustine, Confessions

Der Verzagten aber und Ungläubigen und Greulichen und Totschläger und Hurer und Zauberer und Abgöttischen und aller Lügner, deren Teil wird sein in dem Pfuhl, der mit Feuer und Schwefel brennt; das ist der andere Tod.


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