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SkyWatcher
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Posted - 02/12/2018 :  11:50:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My mother-in-law asked me to help her identify a shotgun she has in her possession. It was inherited from an uncle who died in 1986. She has no clue how old it is, but family lore has it that this uncle built guns WAY back in the day. I don't know if this is a manufactured weapon or a hand-built weapon. There are no manufacturer markings of any type.

It's a bolt action, magazine fed shotgun. Gauge unknown, but interior diameter of the bore is approximately 11/16" ... so it's something like a 14 or 15 gauge? The family immigrated from Italy, so it's possible this was manufactured or built overseas.

Here is a link to photos of the weapon:


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Edited by - SkyWatcher on 02/13/2018 12:10:57 PM

35 Whelen
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  12:05:11 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looks like a Mossberg to me, but not entirely sure what model. 85B, maybe?

Edited by - 35 Whelen on 02/13/2018 12:06:08 AM
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SkyWatcher
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  12:14:37 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I took a look at a few photos, it does look like a Mossberg 85B. But shouldn't there be a manufacturer marking/stamp/number somewhere? There is nothing at all on the weapon and no indication that any markings were removed.

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sharpshooter039
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  12:18:32 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thats close to a 16 gauge but would need better measurements to be sure. A 16 is 16.8 millimeters or .055 inches,,thats close to 11/16 on a tape measure. I would guess a model 190 mossberg.
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EVILDR235
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  12:23:16 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I once had a German Remo bolt action shotgun. The bolt was about as round as a quarter. It held two rounds in 12 gauge.

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remingtonoaks
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  01:07:18 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There should have a serial number and a manufacturer and model number on it, have you took off the stock and checked the underside to see if there's any markings that are covered up be the stock?

It is unusual that they put it on the underside so that the stock covers it up, but I have seen it done

Another thought would be that it might be a custom-made gun that nobody wanted the markings on it... There are gunsmiths that will do that for the right price

Edited by - remingtonoaks on 02/13/2018 01:10:35 AM
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select-fire
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  01:49:03 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
.6875 11/16 would be a 14 gauge.

https://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/scales/shotguns.html

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Edited by - select-fire on 02/13/2018 01:53:19 AM
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11b6r
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  02:19:29 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
POSSIBLE Mossberg 195K-A. Many shotguns (including Mossbergs) were not serially numbered until the 1968 Gun Control Act required it. Makers name was on barrel, could have been wiped out in refinishing metal.

Gauge cannot be determined with a ruler- have a gunsmith use a bore gauge on it.

FWIW- the Mossberg bolt action shotguns were not sexy, but they were durable, reliable, and inexpensive. They were the gun of the working stiff- farmer, mechanic, storekeeper, young shooters. They kept many a family fed in hard times, and will pop a bunny or a dove just as well as a $2000 shotgun- they just don't look as pretty while doing it.

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TRAP55
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  03:26:25 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
.6875 measured at the muzzle would be an Extra Full choke on a 12ga.


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Barzillia
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  08:40:04 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SkyWatcher

My mother-in-law asked me to help her identify a shotgun she has in her possession. It was inherited from an uncle who died in 1986. She has no clue how old it is, but family lore has it that this uncle built guns WAY back in the day. I don't know if this is a manufactured weapon or a hand-built weapon. There are no manufacturer markings of any type.

It's a bolt action, magazine fed shotgun. Gauge unknown, but interior diameter of the bore is approximately 11/16" ... so it's something like a 14 or 15 gauge? The family immigrated from Italy, so it's possible this was manufactured or built overseas.

Here is a link to photos of the weapon:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/o5Ai8c8qqff5fkyt2



Will a dime pass through the bore of barrel ?

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Edited by - Barzillia on 02/13/2018 08:56:42 AM
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select-fire
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  09:29:24 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TRAP55

.6875 measured at the muzzle would be an Extra Full choke on a 12ga.



True but I highly doubt it has screw in chokes. Not seen any shotguns non screw in with that dia.
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Mr. Perfect
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  12:28:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Was there a link?

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tazzer
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  12:51:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Perfect

Was there a link?


I was wondering the same thing

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Brookwood
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  1:18:35 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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TRAP55
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  3:39:45 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by select-fire

quote:
Originally posted by TRAP55

.6875 measured at the muzzle would be an Extra Full choke on a 12ga.



True but I highly doubt it has screw in chokes. Not seen any shotguns non screw in with that dia.


Fixed chokes will vary quite a bit between manufacturers. Older guns tend to have tighter chokes if they haven't been blown out over the years. Mossberg and Marlin both had some pretty tight chokes on their single shots and bolt guns. What was marked FULL then, is an Extra Full now.
There was a link to the pics, I was looking at them last night. SkyWatcher, Check the barrel near the receiver for any markings, especially under the wood. If the uncle didn't build it with a barrel blank, it will have proof marks at the very least.


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select-fire
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  4:18:23 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
He had link..it is gone.
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diver-rig
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  6:38:10 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by select-fire

He had link..it is gone.



Did you read the whole thread?

Barzillia Posted - 02/13/2018 : 08:40:04 AM
quote:
Originally posted by SkyWatcher

My mother-in-law asked me to help her identify a shotgun she has in her possession. It was inherited from an uncle who died in 1986. She has no clue how old it is, but family lore has it that this uncle built guns WAY back in the day. I don't know if this is a manufactured weapon or a hand-built weapon. There are no manufacturer markings of any type.

It's a bolt action, magazine fed shotgun. Gauge unknown, but interior diameter of the bore is approximately 11/16" ... so it's something like a 14 or 15 gauge? The family immigrated from Italy, so it's possible this was manufactured or built overseas.

Here is a link to photos of the weapon:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/o5Ai8c8qqff5fkyt2
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diver-rig
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  6:40:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Reading comprehension 101
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Ambrose
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  7:16:03 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That plastic finger-groove trigger guard screams "Mossberg"! I have several heirlooms like that.

Edited by - Ambrose on 02/13/2018 7:17:07 PM
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notnow
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  10:55:46 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Barzillia
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Posted - 02/14/2018 :  08:22:23 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by diver-rig

quote:
Originally posted by select-fire

He had link..it is gone.



Did you read the whole thread?

Barzillia Posted - 02/13/2018 : 08:40:04 AM
quote:
Originally posted by SkyWatcher

My mother-in-law asked me to help her identify a shotgun she has in her possession. It was inherited from an uncle who died in 1986. She has no clue how old it is, but family lore has it that this uncle built guns WAY back in the day. I don't know if this is a manufactured weapon or a hand-built weapon. There are no manufacturer markings of any type.

It's a bolt action, magazine fed shotgun. Gauge unknown, but interior diameter of the bore is approximately 11/16" ... so it's something like a 14 or 15 gauge? The family immigrated from Italy, so it's possible this was manufactured or built overseas.

Here is a link to photos of the weapon:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/o5Ai8c8qqff5fkyt2



I was concerned with the accuracy/precision of the measurement provided, and gave a pretty sure means of assessing a pretty well unknown value.

Dime won't chamber ?

Not 12 ga.

Dime passes through ?

At least 12 ga, open choke.

Dime chambers, passes nearly through the barrel but stops an inch or so before the muzzle ?

12 ga, , choke unknown.



Thanks for dropping by.

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"Hope has two children: anger, and courage." Augustine, Confessions

Der Verzagten aber und Ungläubigen und Greulichen und Totschläger und Hurer und Zauberer und Abgöttischen und aller Lügner, deren Teil wird sein in dem Pfuhl, der mit Feuer und Schwefel brennt; das ist der andere Tod.


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