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us55840
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  2:14:38 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Digging thru a box of old rifle and shotgun shells, found 6 .22 cartridges, .22 shorts.

The bullet is lead but the case is copper colored. There is no head stamp.

I've never seen any like that before so wondering, has anyone else?


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Smitty500mag
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  2:38:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just a guess, it's probably a black powder .22 cartridge made by Union Metallic Cartridge (UMC) which later became Peters.

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us55840
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  2:46:44 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Smitty500mag

Just a guess, it's probably a black powder .22 cartridge made by Union Metallic Cartridge (UMC) which later became Peters.



Interesting .. didn't know there was a black powder .22 cartridge.


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navc130
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  3:08:03 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The .22 Short was introduced in 1857 for the S&W Revolver. The .22 Long introduced in 1871. Both were black powder cartridges.
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mrmike08075
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  3:45:52 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Rollin white is credited for developing the bored through revolver cylinder for use with the self contained one piece copper cased rimfire ignition soft lead projectile black powder cartridge.

He was working for Colt at the time whom turned down - passed on the patent concept

White began manufacturing his own pistols in Lowell Massachusetts

Smith and Wesson took notice of the guns and the ammo and brought white on board - with a generous compensatory package - the catch being that white would be obligated to defend the patent and any clone like infringement brought to market

Thus began the patent infringement wars.

I have a pair of revolvers marked Rollin white with the Lowell Massachusetts addy and one transitional model with white and s&w as well as one that has S&W markings exclusively.

I have fired all of these variants.

It's a fascinating story - the patent infringement war and attempts to circumvent the law and the designs

Mark Twain aka Samuel Clemens is purported to have owned and used one of these revolvers in his river boat days.

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SCOUT5
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  4:34:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Might also be an old CB cap.
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SCOUT5
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  4:34:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Put one in an old single shot and see if it fires.
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Rocky Raab
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  4:42:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
CB Cap was my first thought, also. Used to shoot grundles of them when I was a kid. They used a heavier than usual amount of priming, but no other powder. A bit more powerful than my Benjamin pump-up .22 airgun, but not much louder. Nice little pest loading, actually.
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dakotashooter2
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  4:50:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Gallery cartridges ???????

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Rocky Raab
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  5:31:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Also a good guess. Gallery rounds and CB caps were very similar.

There was an even smaller/shorter one called the BB Cap. It used a round lead ball and a tiny priming charge. Possibly used in gallery rifles as well. I wish I had kept a few samples of each from back then, but a kid being a kid, I shot them all up.
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35 Whelen
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  5:42:26 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think I have a round or two similar to what you're talking about, us55840, only mine are headstamped either U or H. Sounds close, anyway; copper case and lead bullet.
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select-fire
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  5:50:56 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
BB or CB cap
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fideau
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  8:10:39 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Flobert. ?

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EVILDR235
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  11:16:57 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have a Spenser 56 caliber rimfire cartridge a friend gave me for my collection. It also has a copper case. He also has the rifle and a almost full box of cartridges.

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11b6r
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Posted - 02/14/2018 :  07:05:23 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My collection has copper cased specimens of 22 BB cap, CB cap, short long and extra long. 22 rimfires started in black powder, changed to "brown powder" (Branded as Lesmoke) and finally to the current high velocity brass cased. There are 22 rounds that have iron bullets, copper bullets, plastic bullets, wadcutters, spitzers, tracers, shot loads.

You can have a really impressive cartridge collection with nothing in it but 22 rimfires.

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