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us55840
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USA
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  11:48:06 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

A rigged system

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-wall-streets-fear-gauge-is-being-rigged-according-to-one-whistleblower-2018-02-13


The government has no rights. Only the PEOPLE have rights that empower the government.

This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it.
Abraham Lincoln

Life is not the way it's supposed to be. It is they way it is. The way we cope with it, is what makes the difference.

All comments posted here are my opinion as expressed via the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution.

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Mercury
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  11:51:08 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This is known by ANYONE who does much in the stock market........duh.

Also, if you use the VIX as "truth" you are an idiot.


Merc

I dream of a world where chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned.
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us55840
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USA
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Posted - 02/13/2018 :  11:55:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mercury

This is known by ANYONE who does much in the stock market........duh.

Also, if you use the VIX as "truth" you are an idiot.


Merc



Not in the stock market.

The government has no rights. Only the PEOPLE have rights that empower the government.

This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it.
Abraham Lincoln

Life is not the way it's supposed to be. It is they way it is. The way we cope with it, is what makes the difference.

All comments posted here are my opinion as expressed via the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution.

United States Army ~ 1966-1968 USARSUPTHAI 1967-1968
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dakotashooter2
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Posted - 02/14/2018 :  12:54:26 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mass media and online trading have made the market extremely volatile.modern communication allows almost instant market reaction to major events. Years ago it took the market a couple of days to react and often allowed time for things to settle down before investors could react. Now rumors cause instant reaction especially by people with no real trading skills

For those who believe Obama is the Messiah remember, prophecy tells use the antichrist will proceed the TRUE Messiah.
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serf
Anti Gun Lib

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Posted - 02/14/2018 :  12:59:31 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by us55840


A rigged system

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-wall-streets-fear-gauge-is-being-rigged-according-to-one-whistleblower-2018-02-13





Casino games just like credit default swaps.Paper money made out of thin air with debt is nothing but as Casino Games in Gambling establishments.

serf

http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/CDS.htm

When businesses became involved speculation in the derivatives market it was not much different than if they were out-and=out gambling. Suppose businesses began to bet heavily on the Kentucky Derby. Imagine GM placing a $500 million bet on the Derby and Microsoft risking $100 million and so on. Then on Derby day there might be some major companies that would go broke as a result of their gambling losses. Others might be rolling in money. There could be a financial crisis on Derby day if Wells Fargo and the Bank of America and so forth bet the wrong way. Blaming the financial crisis of 2008 on CDS's would be like blaming a Derby Day crisis in the hypothetical situation described above on the Kentucky Derby. The problem was not the instruments but instead the businesses being heavily involved in gambling.

Edited by - serf on 02/14/2018 01:01:21 AM
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Marc1301
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USA
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Posted - 02/14/2018 :  05:54:20 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The easy solution is for those of you that have issues with the market, to stay out of the market, and quit thinking about it at all.

As for myself,...I will continue what I have been doing for over thirty years.


"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." Thomas Jefferson

"Beam me up Scotty. There's no intelligent life down here." William Shatner
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chiefr
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USA
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Posted - 02/14/2018 :  06:35:58 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The biggest stock market manipulation comes from the Trump hating DEMOCRATs in main stream media.

Every time the market dips, ever lightly even from all time highs, such news becomes headlines. Nothing but negativity reported by these operatives.

MSM DEMOCRATs have yet to report the record revenues from taxes collected in the month of January. This is first month of the Trump/GOP tax cuts. According to these media experts people are supposed to trust, this was never supposed to happen.
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HandLoad
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Posted - 02/14/2018 :  06:53:39 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
And, still the Market makes Me money.

I retired more than Fifteen Years ago, put my entire lump sum in NASDAQ stuff. Have taken out more than I put in at this point, and still have more Dollars in there than I put in on Day one.

Life is Good!

Laudate Nomen!
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pwillie
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Posted - 02/14/2018 :  08:11:22 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
....because the mkt goes up an average of 10% per year..
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fordsix
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Posted - 02/14/2018 :  11:48:39 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
big boys lost nothing little guys took the hit ..it takes me 1 day to have my trade take effect,,big boys are out in micro seconds,little guys shore up the markets big guys manipulate the ups and downs..they have super computers with AI
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serf
Anti Gun Lib

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Posted - 02/14/2018 :  12:15:31 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by pwillie

....because the mkt goes up an average of 10% per year..



Phony fiat dollar stimulation from the Federal Reserve so the little guy loses while the fat cats take it to the bank.
Now in the 1950's 10% would be great for it was backed by silver and gold in trading. Then Nixon stopped it along with LBJ.

The Petrodollar is dead.Only war can save it.

serf
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droptop
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USA
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Posted - 02/14/2018 :  12:22:03 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The fear gauge is a good indicator of when to start buying.
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serf
Anti Gun Lib

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Posted - 02/14/2018 :  12:50:48 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by droptop

The fear gauge is a good indicator of when to start buying.



You mean blood in the streets literally don't you? Looks like a war is coming soon. Interest rates are jumping and it'a sign of an insolvent, bankrupt country that can't finance it's debt anymore!

serf
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Don McManus
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USA
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Posted - 02/14/2018 :  12:53:38 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
One should never become emotionally invested in the stock market.

'Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.'
Brad Steele.


'The Constitution that was actually enacted and formally amended creates islands of government powers in a sea of liberty. The judicially redacted constitution creates islands of liberty rights in a sea of governmental powers.'
Randy E. Barnett


CA #3


Edited by - Don McManus on 02/14/2018 1:55:06 PM
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droptop
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Posted - 02/14/2018 :  1:13:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by pwillie

....because the mkt goes up an average of 10% per year..



Wish it was that good,, Warren Buffett might eke out 10% but the average over long term is 7%, however you can't invest in polaroid or xerox and hold.

Buffett:

“The economy, as measured by gross domestic product, can be expected to grow at an annual rate of about 3 percent over the long term, and inflation of 2 percent would push nominal GDP growth to 5 percent, Buffett said. Stocks will probably rise at about that rate and dividend payments will boost total returns to 6 percent to 7 percent, he said.”

“The Standard & Poor’s 500 Index, a benchmark for U.S. stocks, surged 18 percent a year on average from 1982 to 1999. The bull market tainted investor expectations, Buffett said. Polls in the late 1990s showed some investors expected stocks to gain 14 percent to 15 percent a year, he said.

“‘Thinking that in a low-inflation environment is dreaming,’ he said.”


The recent horrible market with HUGE DOWNTURN is stupid hype based on the conditions. Just checked. I'm up 30% + since 12/1/2016. Was pretty sure Trump would be elected and was "85% invested".

Feb. of 2017 sold some energy and oil, bought other sectors and still about 85% invested.

Lost 15% of my portfolio in two/three weeks during the most recent market low,, but still way up. Why? because I've been invested for decades.

However, the market is not for the "faint of heart" who really DO KNOW what they are doing and if you're "faint of heart" and DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE doing, buying and the risks involved,, better to stay away from the market and stick with indexes or mutual funds.
Dow up 1/2% today,,, I'm up 2.14% but the day's not over. and tomorrow's another day.
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mogley98
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Posted - 02/14/2018 :  2:09:09 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh good I can eat those beans before they expire!
quote:
Originally posted by serf

quote:
Originally posted by droptop

The fear gauge is a good indicator of when to start buying.



You mean blood in the streets literally don't you? Looks like a war is coming soon. Interest rates are jumping and it'a sign of an insolvent, bankrupt country that can't finance it's debt anymore!

serf

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us55840
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USA
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Posted - 02/14/2018 :  6:40:30 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I had some stock prior to 2001 and the broker was trying his best to get people to buy Enron stock 'cause it 'couldn't fail' and was a 'sure money maker' .... last pitch was the morning the day the bottom fell out of Enron.

That was all I needed to know about stock brokers ~ they lie as much or more than politicians IMO.

Sold the stock I had shortly thereafter .. about broke even after some years.....took my money and ran.

Actually, had better luck gambling in Las Vegas and one hell of a lot more fun! Las Vegas is there to part you from your money and make you fell good about it ~ not so in the stock market.

That is all I have to say on that.




The government has no rights. Only the PEOPLE have rights that empower the government.

This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it.
Abraham Lincoln

Life is not the way it's supposed to be. It is they way it is. The way we cope with it, is what makes the difference.

All comments posted here are my opinion as expressed via the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution.

United States Army ~ 1966-1968 USARSUPTHAI 1967-1968
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forgemonkey
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Posted - 02/14/2018 :  7:19:08 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

The 'market' allowed me to retire early and pursue my life long ambition of working with my hands,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Edited by - forgemonkey on 02/14/2018 7:20:15 PM
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droptop
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USA
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Posted - 02/14/2018 :  7:19:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by us55840

I had some stock prior to 2001 and the broker was trying his best to get people to buy Enron stock 'cause it 'couldn't fail' and was a 'sure money maker' .... last pitch was the morning the day the bottom fell out of Enron.

That was all I needed to know about stock brokers ~ they lie as much or more than politicians IMO.

Sold the stock I had shortly thereafter .. about broke even after some years.....took my money and ran.

Actually, had better luck gambling in Las Vegas and one hell of a lot more fun! Las Vegas is there to part you from your money and make you fell good about it ~ not so in the stock market.

That is all I have to say on that.




Before the final shoe fell.


Who's fault was it:

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wpageabc
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USA
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Posted - 02/14/2018 :  7:40:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The movie "Wolf of Wall Street" is not far off about wall street and the stock market. There is some science to it. However there are problems with any market. Especially one that revolves around money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u99Q7pNAjvg
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pwillie
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USA
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Posted - 02/14/2018 :  8:37:25 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by wpageabc

The movie "Wolf of Wall Street" is not far off about wall street and the stock market. There is some science to it. However there are problems with any market. Especially one that revolves around money.

...your kidding?...
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jerrywh818
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Posted - 02/14/2018 :  9:25:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I suppose if you bought Microsoft in 1960 you would have gotten ripped off HUH? How about apple a few years ago? or amazon. People who don't know what the y are doing loose. If stock takes a big drop sell write off the loss and buy it back, then ride it back up.

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us55840
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USA
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Posted - 02/15/2018 :  08:47:22 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Wonder how many believed they should buy stock on November 15, 1929?


Edited by - us55840 on 02/15/2018 08:48:22 AM
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rambo rebel
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Posted - 02/15/2018 :  09:09:37 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
no chit cherlock

there's only one hope for this world. 3:16



Even IF there is no God, what if we just lived our lives as if there were?

If the people who think about changing the world would think about changing themselves, they might accomplish both.
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droptop
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USA
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Posted - 02/15/2018 :  09:11:55 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by us55840


Wonder how many believed they should buy stock on November 15, 1929?





Not sure but the grand parents of a friend of mine bought Phillip Morris back then,, a lot of it, never sold, died, my friends parents inherited the stock and they never sold.

20 years ago,, my guess is his parents had over 30 million in stock, but who knows for sure, I'm not family.

His mother didn't work and his father worked for a new car dealership.

Didn't know about my friends family until I commented to another friend, It must be nice to have your parents give you $10,000 a year for a Christmas Present. That's when I heard why.

In 1971 MO (Altria) was selling for 15 cents a share (adjusted) yesterday it was selling for $65.00. What's that increase? 45,000 %?? and 1971 is 33 years after 1929.

OH, DRATS: Dow Jones Futures up 200 points. Sure it'll be be up or down later

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