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us55840
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USA
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 Posted - 11/04/2009 : 3:36:24 PM
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The Afgan election is over and the contender withdrew.
The Nov elections in the USA are completed.
b-ho still can't decide what to do in afgan regarding the recommendations of his hand-picked General McCrystal after getting the recommendations over 2 months ago.
Maybe michelle hasn't told him what the decision should be yet  |
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ElMuertoMonkey
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Posted - 11/04/2009 : 6:48:01 PM
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Instant oatmeal, video on demand, drive-through dining, and high-speed Internet... the "me" generation certainly hasn't learned any patience.
If it were up to them, D-Day would have been launched on December 8, 1941. |
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Don McManus
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 11/04/2009 : 6:54:58 PM
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Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
Instant oatmeal, video on demand, drive-through dining, and high-speed Internet... the "me" generation certainly hasn't learned any patience.
If it were up to them, D-Day would have been launched on December 8, 1941.
It was, EMM. It just took 3-1/2 years to get the logistics figured out.
Oh, and we've had instant oatmeal since politicians figured out how to talk into a radio microphone.
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Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.
CA #3 |
Edited by - Don McManus on 11/04/2009 6:55:27 PM |
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ElMuertoMonkey
Moderator
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Posted - 11/04/2009 : 7:02:56 PM
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Originally posted by Don McManus
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Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
Instant oatmeal, video on demand, drive-through dining, and high-speed Internet... the "me" generation certainly hasn't learned any patience.
If it were up to them, D-Day would have been launched on December 8, 1941.
It was, EMM. It just took 3-1/2 years to get the logistics figured out.
And yet some people think a problem as complex as Afghan tribal affiliations, geopolitics in Central and South Asia, Pakistani domestic politics, the opium trade, and the slight but important differences between Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and a dozen other on-again, off-again Taliban allies can be figured out in a month or two?
Fight smarter, not harder. McChrystal made a request for more men, got them, and then asked for more. That does not sound so much like an informed opinion as it does a "throw it at the wall and see what sticks" approach. |
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Don McManus
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 11/04/2009 : 7:37:13 PM
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Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
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Originally posted by Don McManus
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Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
Instant oatmeal, video on demand, drive-through dining, and high-speed Internet... the "me" generation certainly hasn't learned any patience.
If it were up to them, D-Day would have been launched on December 8, 1941.
It was, EMM. It just took 3-1/2 years to get the logistics figured out.
And yet some people think a problem as complex as Afghan tribal affiliations, geopolitics in Central and South Asia, Pakistani domestic politics, the opium trade, and the slight but important differences between Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and a dozen other on-again, off-again Taliban allies can be figured out in a month or two?
Fight smarter, not harder. McChrystal made a request for more men, got them, and then asked for more. That does not sound so much like an informed opinion as it does a "throw it at the wall and see what sticks" approach.
In all fairness, EMM, Obama has been POTUS for over 9 months, he was a U.S. Senator for 4 years, the last two of which he should have been preparing to make decisions like this one.
The fluidity of the situation, as you point out, makes such a decision more challenging, but the 'month or two' can only be true if he has been asleep at the switch. |
Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.
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pwillie
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Posted - 11/04/2009 : 9:21:28 PM
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| I hold him responsible for all of our soldiers in combat,he is playing with their lives.He is the CIC and needs to act like it. So,he watches basketball games while our men are faced daily with more and more hostilitys. What a bust! |
Creek Nation...and the Isle of Wight |
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HAIRY
Advanced Member
Israel
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Posted - 11/04/2009 : 9:24:53 PM
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Originally posted by pwillie
I hold him responsible for all of our soldiers in combat,he is playing with their lives.He is the CIC and needs to act like it. So,he watches basketball games while our men are faced daily with more and more hostilitys. What a bust!
Actually, the generals are the ones responsible--and there are over 100,000 troops available to them.
The White House is not handling day-to-day tactical situations as was done during 'Nam. |
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jyjhnsn
Senior Member
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Posted - 11/04/2009 : 10:50:25 PM
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Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
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Originally posted by Don McManus
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Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
Instant oatmeal, video on demand, drive-through dining, and high-speed Internet... the "me" generation certainly hasn't learned any patience.
If it were up to them, D-Day would have been launched on December 8, 1941.
It was, EMM. It just took 3-1/2 years to get the logistics figured out.
And yet some people think a problem as complex as Afghan tribal affiliations, geopolitics in Central and South Asia, Pakistani domestic politics, the opium trade, and the slight but important differences between Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and a dozen other on-again, off-again Taliban allies can be figured out in a month or two?
Fight smarter, not harder. McChrystal made a request for more men, got them, and then asked for more. That does not sound so much like an informed opinion as it does a "throw it at the wall and see what sticks" approach.
A month or two? That is a typical obamunist response.
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I will keep my freedom, my guns, and my money. The obamunists can keep the change.
Proud member of the GOA and also a member of the NRA and TSRA.
Debra Medina for Texas Governor 2010
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HAIRY
Advanced Member
Israel
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 06:17:33 AM
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Right on: Instant oatmeal, video on demand, drive-through dining, and high-speed Internet... the "me" generation certainly hasn't learned any patience.
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pwillie
Member
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 07:57:25 AM
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Originally posted by HAIRY
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Originally posted by pwillie
I hold him responsible for all of our soldiers in combat,he is playing with their lives.He is the CIC and needs to act like it. So,he watches basketball games while our men are faced daily with more and more hostilitys. What a bust!
Actually, the generals are the ones responsible--and there are over 100,000 troops available to them.
The White House is not handling day-to-day tactical situations as was done during 'Nam.
Hairy, you said you had been in the Military?Were you on drugs?Chain of command mean anything to you?The CIC is in charge of deployment!Al least be coherent in your response to my post, I don't care how you respond to others. |
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Captplaid
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 08:10:20 AM
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Funny how this President has time to push through a health care plan that is a mess and Americans do not want it, but cannot find time for Afghanistan.
Afghanistan is not a priority to President Obama. He does not care.
He wishes he could vote "present" on this issue or it would go way on its own.
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Edited by - Captplaid on 11/05/2009 08:13:54 AM |
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70-101
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 08:20:20 AM
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us55840
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 11:03:18 AM
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It appears the decision to send or not send more troops to Afgan is not happening because obummer hasn't figured out how to get himself out of the box he put himself in politically. During the campaign he said Afgan war is a war of necessity to garner votes. Now, if he doesn't respond to his hand picked Generals' recommendations, he looks stupid and like a lier. If he does send troops, he looses support of the far left liberal gang.
Gentlemen, he is screwed politically which-ever way it goes. |
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lee_dan
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 11:25:46 AM
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This is what happens when you put a community
planner in charge of a War ----
Lee |
Laura Bush's Car KILLED ONE---
The LIBERALS Have now KILLED 46 MILLION and counting --
http://www.biblehelp.org/abortioncnt.htm
If you refuse to look to the WEST --- you will never KNOW
that sometimes the
SKY IS RED
Lee Danzl
I used to be a Liberal --
I just got tired of being WRONG
If your trying to drain the swamp to get rid of the alligators --
you don't ask advice from someone who lives in the desert ---
Lee
Life is just to short to drink WARM BEER---
Lee
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chaoslodge
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 4:24:36 PM
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Originally posted by lee_dan
This is what happens when you put a community
planner in charge of a War ----
Which president in the last 100 years did a great job during a war? Were there any that came with unassailable qualifications? |
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HAIRY
Advanced Member
Israel
37965 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 4:54:53 PM
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Originally posted by pwillie
Hairy, you said you had been in the Military?Were you on drugs?Chain of command mean anything to you?The CIC is in charge of deployment!Al least be coherent in your response to my post, I don't care how you respond to others.
Is this clear and coherent enough: You don't know what you are talking about.
The SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, in coordination with the JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF, makes the deployment plans.
If there is a political impact (such as the current issue), it then goes to the President for a final decision.
There is no way the White House, even President Obama's, is going to get into the details of military deployments. |
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HAIRY
Advanced Member
Israel
37965 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 4:56:34 PM
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Originally posted by Captplaid
Funny how this President has time to push through a health care plan that is a mess and Americans do not want it, but cannot find time for Afghanistan.
Afghanistan is not a priority to President Obama. He does not care.
He wishes he could vote "present" on this issue or it would go way on its own.
If Bush and Cheney had taken the time, this would not be an issue today. I'm pleased President Obama is taking the time to evaluate what is going on. For more info, please see my new post on the Interview about Afghanistan. |
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HAIRY
Advanced Member
Israel
37965 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 4:57:23 PM
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Originally posted by lee_dan
This is what happens when you put a community
planner in charge of a War ----
Lee
Who has to clean up the crap left by a phony cowboy. |
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lee_dan
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 6:27:00 PM
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Hairy ----
You forget ----
It was your Hero who campained on the fact that
the Afgan War was the JUST WAR
So he could rag on Bush --
How he has to live with it --
He painted himself into a corner and doesn't
have a clue as to what's going on --
As usual YOU BLAME EVERYTHING ON BUSH ---
As I pointed out in another post ---
Deaths in Afghanistan are 7 times higher
since Obama took over ---
Can you explain that ????
Lee |
Laura Bush's Car KILLED ONE---
The LIBERALS Have now KILLED 46 MILLION and counting --
http://www.biblehelp.org/abortioncnt.htm
If you refuse to look to the WEST --- you will never KNOW
that sometimes the
SKY IS RED
Lee Danzl
I used to be a Liberal --
I just got tired of being WRONG
If your trying to drain the swamp to get rid of the alligators --
you don't ask advice from someone who lives in the desert ---
Lee
Life is just to short to drink WARM BEER---
Lee
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Edited by - lee_dan on 11/05/2009 6:30:07 PM |
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HAIRY
Advanced Member
Israel
37965 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 7:12:06 PM
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Originally posted by lee_dan
Hairy ----
You forget ----
It was your Hero who campained on the fact that
the Afgan War was the JUST WAR
So he could rag on Bush --
How he has to live with it --
He painted himself into a corner and doesn't
have a clue as to what's going on --
As usual YOU BLAME EVERYTHING ON BUSH ---
Yes, President Obama did say that but I don't agree with it. I want our troops out.
We invaded Afghanistan on a moment of emotional reaction and disregarded the attempts of the Afghanistan government to legally turn over Osama Been Forgotten.
That disregard by Bush is disgraceful and amounts to another lie to get us into a war. In case you didn't know, Osama Been Forgotten isn't even on the FBI Most Wanted List for the purported 9/11 attack. The reason is "INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE!"quote:
As I pointed out in another post ---
Deaths in Afghanistan are 7 times higher
since Obama took over ---
Can you explain that ????
Sure, figures don't lie but liars figure.
Tell ya what, let's look at them again in eight years after President Obama leaves office and do an honest comparison. 
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pwillie
Member
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614 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 8:33:24 PM
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| The "Chickens have come home,to Roost"...now we are being shot at on our own bases,by Mulims disguised as Dr's. |
Creek Nation...and the Isle of Wight |
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HAIRY
Advanced Member
Israel
37965 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 9:00:24 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by pwillie
The "Chickens have come home,to Roost"...now we are being shot at on our own bases,by Mulims disguised as Dr's.
He's an American officer in the US Army who went berserk.
Nothing has been said about his motives but that he was upset about being sent overseas.
Anyone who tries to make this tragedy into a political issue should be seen for what they truly are: despicable.  |
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pwillie
Member
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 9:36:13 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by HAIRY
quote:
Originally posted by pwillie
The "Chickens have come home,to Roost"...now we are being shot at on our own bases,by Mulims disguised as Dr's.
He's an American officer in the US Army who went berserk.
Nothing has been said about his motives but that he was upset about being sent overseas.
Anyone who tries to make this tragedy into a political issue should be seen for what they truly are: despicable.
"It is what it is"....Muslim,gun,dead,...period...Weakness..!! |
Creek Nation...and the Isle of Wight |
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HAIRY
Advanced Member
Israel
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 9:44:22 PM
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| Anyone who tries to make this tragedy into a political issue should be seen for what they truly are: despicable. It is what it is. |
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us55840
Advanced Member
USA
3990 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2009 : 4:17:12 PM
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| every tragic war has been politicial |
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HAIRY
Advanced Member
Israel
37965 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2009 : 4:31:55 PM
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Originally posted by us55840
every tragic war has been politicial
Yep. |
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lee_dan
Senior Member
USA
1309 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2009 : 9:17:33 PM
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Hairy ----
Are you calling ME a liar ---
I just post FACTS
You don't have a answer to my question so you
want me to wait 8 YERAS
for a answer ----
Lee |
Laura Bush's Car KILLED ONE---
The LIBERALS Have now KILLED 46 MILLION and counting --
http://www.biblehelp.org/abortioncnt.htm
If you refuse to look to the WEST --- you will never KNOW
that sometimes the
SKY IS RED
Lee Danzl
I used to be a Liberal --
I just got tired of being WRONG
If your trying to drain the swamp to get rid of the alligators --
you don't ask advice from someone who lives in the desert ---
Lee
Life is just to short to drink WARM BEER---
Lee
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HAIRY
Advanced Member
Israel
37965 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2009 : 10:43:10 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by lee_dan
Hairy ----
Are you calling ME a liar ---
I just post FACTS
As I said, figures don't lie but liars can figure.
Your duplicitous use of "facts" is what it is.
And, lee dan, if the shoe fits, don't complain.
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lee_dan
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 11/07/2009 : 08:23:01 AM
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Here you go Hairy ---
http://www.icasualties.org/oef/
You add them up --- If you ever learned to add ---
Facts are Facts
You don't get to make up your own FACTS
because you and so many other Liberals --
can't handle the TRUTH
I can back up my facts -- which is more than what you
have ever done ---
HAIRY --- THE KNOW IT ALL LEGEND IN HIS OWN MIND --
Lee |
Laura Bush's Car KILLED ONE---
The LIBERALS Have now KILLED 46 MILLION and counting --
http://www.biblehelp.org/abortioncnt.htm
If you refuse to look to the WEST --- you will never KNOW
that sometimes the
SKY IS RED
Lee Danzl
I used to be a Liberal --
I just got tired of being WRONG
If your trying to drain the swamp to get rid of the alligators --
you don't ask advice from someone who lives in the desert ---
Lee
Life is just to short to drink WARM BEER---
Lee
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quickmajik
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 11/07/2009 : 08:36:08 AM
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Originally posted by HAIRY
quote:
Originally posted by pwillie
I hold him responsible for all of our soldiers in combat,he is playing with their lives.He is the CIC and needs to act like it. So,he watches basketball games while our men are faced daily with more and more hostilitys. What a bust!
Actually, the generals are the ones responsible--and there are over 100,000 troops available to them.
The White House is not handling day-to-day tactical situations as was done during 'Nam "YET".
Fixed it for you.. |
The problem with the world is that most things just aint right and nobody gives a damn..
We can't be fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of the ordinary Americans...
-Bill Clinton talking about his oppostion of the second A.
This is still the greatest country in the world, if we just steel our wills and lose our minds.
-Bill clinton
"But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security."
- a tidbit of d.o.c.
Finem respice, fuit Iilum, et quos deus vult perdre prius dementat... guten tag.
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Barzillia
Advanced Member
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Posted - 11/07/2009 : 09:25:45 AM
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I think at least one point is that POTUS has promised, and has not delivered.
Thirty days, sixty days, one hundred days, and now going on to one year, soon.
Besides statements to the effect of "Oh, this is hard," I have seen nothing of any substantial, hopeful significance.
He took the job, after campaigning that he could do the job better than the last guy.
OK, everybody gets a performance evaluation.
Besides telling me something that he has not done, please show me something of merit that he has accomplished, on his own merit, so that we may judge. |
"Most people fancy themselves innocent of those crimes of which they cannot be convicted." Seneca
"Hope has two children: anger, and courage." Augustine, Confessions |
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HAIRY
Advanced Member
Israel
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Posted - 11/07/2009 : 10:49:10 AM
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lee dan: You said, "As I pointed out in another post ---
Deaths in Afghanistan are 7 times higher
since Obama took over ---".
Using your link, we find the total coalition deaths for 2009 is 465 (even if we say no one died during the first 19 days of January). Now, please show your math were 465 is 7 TIMES HIGHER.
Higher than WHAT? Perhaps you're an idiot savant, but I'm not, so please show your calculations.
(NOTE TO MODERATORS: An idiot savant is a person with unique talents; this is not anywhere near being an insult.)
As I said earlier and very correctly, figures don't lie but liars can figure. |
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bpost1958
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Posted - 11/07/2009 : 10:57:50 AM
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qui non est hodie cras minus aptus erit
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