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bigboy12
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Posted - 07/23/2012 :  8:08:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just watched "Talking Points" segment of The Factor. O'Reilly was spot on when he called Bill Moyers on the floor about gun control, BUT he lost me when he referred to an AK-47 as a heavy weapon. The talking heads just don't get it, do they?

Rack Ops
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Posted - 07/23/2012 :  8:11:54 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
He lost me when he said someone can buy a bazooka with no background check
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drygulchdan
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Posted - 07/23/2012 :  8:12:39 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
And according to Bill O'Reilly, I can go buy a real live bazooka or a machine gun and the feds would not know about. I would like to shop where O'Reilly shops.

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bigboy12
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Posted - 07/23/2012 :  8:13:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by drygulchdan

And according to Bill O'Reilly, I can go buy a real live bazooka or a machine gun and the feds would not know about. I would like to shop where O'Reilly shops.



+1
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HooverTactical
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Posted - 07/23/2012 :  8:15:35 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Rack Ops

He lost me when he said someone can buy a bazooka with no background check



what

did he really say that
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FrancF
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Posted - 07/23/2012 :  8:17:09 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I was pulling my hair out today just listening to the talk shows
"He had giant Clips"-
"He had 4,000 pellets in his automatic rifle"-
and on and on...

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Captplaid
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Posted - 07/23/2012 :  8:18:17 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Gun show loophole. . .

Obama believes he can tax your breathing.


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Rack Ops
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Posted - 07/23/2012 :  8:19:54 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HooverTactical

quote:
Originally posted by Rack Ops

He lost me when he said someone can buy a bazooka with no background check



what

did he really say that



Yup
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bigboy12
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Posted - 07/23/2012 :  8:20:39 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Captplaid

Gun show loophole. . .



Judging from the perpetrators of the last several mass shootings, I think we have a "nut" house loophole.
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wpage
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USA
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Posted - 07/23/2012 :  8:21:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
RPG's and Bazooka's are not in the 2nd amendment...

A decent thing.

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bpost
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Posted - 07/23/2012 :  8:22:28 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bill O'Reiley is just an over the top Elite know it all blow hard azzhat.

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Spider7115
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Posted - 07/23/2012 :  8:28:56 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HooverTactical

quote:
Originally posted by Rack Ops

He lost me when he said someone can buy a bazooka with no background check



what

did he really say that


I couldn't believe he would make such a stupid and ignorant comment.

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CS8161
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Posted - 07/23/2012 :  9:15:57 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bpost

Bill O'Reiley is just an over the top Elite know it all blow hard azzhat.



Bingo!

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rhythm_guy
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Posted - 07/23/2012 :  9:46:46 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think we need more regulations. Like if you know NOTHING about a subject you dont get to spout off about it in front of millions of folks.
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grumpygy
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Posted - 07/23/2012 :  9:50:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I really need to find this street corner where I can buy these cheap weapons and nobody will find out about them
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swopjan
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Posted - 07/24/2012 :  06:27:30 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by grumpygy

I really need to find this street corner where I can buy these cheap weapons and nobody will find out about them



You could ask the Mexican president, he knows all about our gun laws

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Posted - 07/24/2012 :  07:27:49 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bpost

Bill O'Reiley is just an over the top Elite know it all blow hard azzhat.



Well!!! He's definitely better than some of the other blow-hard azzhats.


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badlandsbutch
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Posted - 07/24/2012 :  08:01:14 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
He was totally on about Moyers then lost it completely when he said you can buy machine guns, bazookas and heavy weapons like the AK47.
Pretty ignorant.
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rambo rebel
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Posted - 07/24/2012 :  1:53:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I emailed him an hour ago before reading this. bet he got a ton of em. you guys should do the same.

I explained to him that a LEGAL machine gun has never been used (since the 30's when they were legal over the counter - good ole days) to commit a crime in which someone was injured by that MG.

I went on to say that the feds know where every single legal MG is at ANY given moment and that in order to own one you needed to fill out more paperwork than it takes to bring a baby home from the hospital AND that by your signature on the paperwork the feds could show up anytime with notice I'm told and demand you produce the paperwork and the weapon for inspection.

told him his research dept. needed a gun guy on it because I've seen him make several gun related mistakes in the recent past.

doubt I'll hear from him or his peeps but it wouldn't hurt to pile on so send him an email.

I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken;>)
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River Rat
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Posted - 07/24/2012 :  2:08:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Our problem in America today is that we have a smaller percentage of gun owners than we used to. I believe that is changing: note the huge spike in purchases in Colorado (and elsewhere) in the past week.

The focus now needs to be on training and safety. Many families lost the generation-to-generation familiarity with firearms, and now that needs to return.

Perhaps there are fewer hunters, but a greater concern for personal defense -- even large-scale such as SHTF. Either way, we get more Americans who are familiar with gun handling. They will discover that shooting is fun, and they will be able to correct errors from those who should know better.

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Mr. Perfect
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Posted - 07/24/2012 :  3:43:28 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
wonder why they never talk about the face to face loophole?

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Spider7115
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Posted - 07/24/2012 :  4:02:22 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I e-mailed him, too:

To: oreilly@foxnews.com

Subject: A BAZOOKA? No "FACT" in "The Factor"

Message:

Bill -

Who do you get your information from? CNN? A private citizen can NOT buy a bazooka and I can't believe you said that! Additionally, machine guns are banned in most states but those that allow them must be registered and a transfer tax of $200 paid to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives - THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!

Your listeners need to believe you and you are guilty of reporting false information.

Wise up, Bill, and get your facts straight!

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rambo rebel
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Posted - 07/24/2012 :  4:46:30 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
well, technicly a private citizen with a class 3 destructive device licience can own a bazooka.

I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken;>)
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drygulchdan
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USA
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Posted - 07/24/2012 :  8:34:55 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
And again tonight, he reeks of ignorance.

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Spider7115
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USA
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Posted - 07/24/2012 :  8:40:21 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by drygulchdan

And again tonight, he reeks of ignorance.


He's losing it. He actually wants the FBI to assign an agent to investigate anyone who buys an assault rifle and thinks all Ak-47's are full auto!

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bigoutside
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USA
14501 Posts

Posted - 07/24/2012 :  8:42:42 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bpost

Bill O'Reiley is just an over the top Elite know it all blow hard azzhat.



Well, I'm pretty sure where the "high road" award ISN'T going tonight!
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eastbank
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Posted - 07/24/2012 :  8:43:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
he,s so full of it, its comming out of his mouth. he should wipe his mouth.what a misinformed loud mouth. he does the second admendment no good. eastbank.
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FreudianSlippers
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Posted - 07/25/2012 :  6:38:09 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Last night, Bill O'Reilly repeated the ridiculous claims he was making about firearms and gun law in support of his position that Congress should "pass a new law that requires the sale of 'heavy weapons' to be reported to the FBI." His guest, Representative Jason Chaffetz, tried to correct him, but as usual, O'Reilly simply talked over him.

Here is the 5-minute video from last night's show: http://www.billoreilly.com/video?chartID=610&vid=539487484223522053

The "debate" begins 30 seconds into the video. Here are some of the highlights:

quote:
I said, "heavy weapons": mortars, howitzers, machine guns. In this age of terrorism, if you do a flight school, the FBI is alerted, but you can buy a machine gun, and the FBI doesn't know.

quote:
Have you ever been to a gun show? Do you know that you can buy any weapon you want there, and there's no reporting any way. You can walk right out.

quote:
You can buy an AK-47 in this country, and no federal agency will know you buy it, and as the guy in Colorado proved, you can buy a mass amount of ammunition on the 'Net, and nobody's reporting it.

quote:
Say this guy who bought 60,000 rounds in Colorado -- which he did -- and the FBI in Denver got wind of that, they would've been watching him.

quote:
There aren't any federal laws on the books to report that. There are seven states that require, if you buy an AK, and 43 that don't.


Dustin Ellermann, the winner of the third season of History Channel's Top Shot, wrote an excellent rebuttal: http://fishgame.com/deblog.php?p=539



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Mr. Perfect
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Posted - 07/25/2012 :  7:02:43 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Haven't watched Bill-don't-let-the-facts-get-in-my-way O'Reilly for a long time. Guess not much has changed.

"When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace." -Jesus

"Also he [David] bade them teach the children of Judah [the use of] the bow" -Samuel

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papernicker
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Posted - 07/25/2012 :  7:28:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
He can't be this stupid, it must be an act. He is confused by 60,000 and 6,000 hahaha
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CapnMidnight
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Posted - 07/26/2012 :  02:05:02 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I emailed him also, corected his 60,000 number and all.
I was tempted to question is parentage.
W.D.
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kimi
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USA
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Posted - 07/26/2012 :  02:18:19 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by CapnMidnight

I emailed him also, corected his 60,000 number and all.
I was tempted to question is parentage.
W.D.




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gary wray
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USA
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Posted - 07/26/2012 :  09:17:56 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I actually like the show but Bill knows nothing about guns but pretends that he does. He does not know the diff between a fully auto weapon, a semiauto, or a RPG and such. He shouts, finger points, yells, but knows nothing. He really PO'ed me last night when he started shouting at the guy he was "debating" (who was also lousy...I think on purpose to make Bill look good) about "heavy weapons" and such...and how we should not be able to purchase an AK (which he thinks all weapons called AK are fullyauto) and was completely confused on how many rounds the CO shooter had ("60,000") when all reports indicate he had 6,000 rds of .223 so Bill got lost on another digit or so. Just on and on. Being a historian myself, I would never buy his fakehistory book on Lincoln's ass (that most likely someone else "ghostwrote" for him) now as I guess hethinks the Prez was shot with a "heavy weapon" rather than a derringer

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rhythm_guy
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Posted - 07/26/2012 :  7:25:42 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've gotten pretty put out with him over this thing. For someone with as many viewers as he has to spout off such gibberish, with total disregard for, or ignorance of the facts is just nonsense. He doesn't know the difference in auto/semi, AK/AR, 6/60, etc. And just what the heck is a "heavy weapon?" My pistol with 17 rounds in the mag is heavier than one with 10, does that make me bad?

According to him everybody that amasses such a "huge stockpile of weapons" should be on some watch list. That apparently includes me, and I'm very new to this game. I don't own nearly as much as most of you, but I have what the CO guy had - a semi-auto rifle (though not an AR), a shotgun and 2 handguns, with some ammo for each (haven't counted lately, but a few thousand rounds total). The government couldn't possibly afford to watch everybody that owns as much as my "arsenal."
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grumpygy
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Posted - 07/26/2012 :  7:27:16 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Spider7115

quote:
Originally posted by drygulchdan

And again tonight, he reeks of ignorance.


He's losing it. He actually wants the FBI to assign an agent to investigate anyone who buys an assault rifle and thinks all Ak-47's are full auto!



Mine must be broken then.
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jimdeere
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Posted - 07/26/2012 :  7:38:17 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

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9 on the floor
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Posted - 07/26/2012 :  7:49:44 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
O'Reily made an ass of himself.

I turned him off and went out to clean the garage in disgust.
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CS8161
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USA
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Posted - 07/26/2012 :  9:25:31 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
O'Reilly continues to show his elitist, arrogant ignorance. he was "debating" Lou Dobbs this evening and would not allow Lou to make a point. Again he focuses on "heavy weapons" and that anyone who buys an AK should be investigated. He agrees with Eric Holder that anyone who buys more than one "assault" rifle at a time in the border states, must have their information forwarded to ATF. I just can't watch him any longer, he has become a pompous ass. He is "just looking out for the folks" because I guess we are not smart enough to figure things out for ourselves. I bet he sees a decline in his ratings over the next few years.

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jjmitchell60
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Posted - 07/26/2012 :  11:51:22 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
AND he is to be the NRA's key note speaker at one of their national events this year! So if you want to e-mail the NRA and ask WHY such a mis-informed anti gun idiot such as O'Reilly is their key note speaker, do so. I did and was told by the NRA to "contact the show itself" which I had already done. So to use O'Reilly's own name calling, he is a pin head and the NRA is an even bigger pin head for having him as a key note speaker.

Anyone that knows ANYTHING at all about O'Reilly knows he is from NY and is as anti 2nd admendment a person that there is or ever was. he and Bloomberg are big buddies in tat aspect.

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Laredo Lefty
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Posted - 07/27/2012 :  12:25:58 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That 2 gun AK & AR reporting requirement in the border states was a direct result of that dip sh** Holder's Fast & Furious program.

Yes, O'reilly needs to do some homework. ARs and AKs are not heavy weapons. Mortars, tanks and artillery are. He made the claim that people can buy machineguns and the govt doesn't know about it, bull crap. We all know they are tightly controlled by the ATF.

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Beeramid
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Posted - 07/27/2012 :  12:32:19 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by rhythm_guy

I've gotten pretty put out with him over this thing. For someone with as many viewers as he has to spout off such gibberish, with total disregard for, or ignorance of the facts is just nonsense. He doesn't know the difference in auto/semi, AK/AR, 6/60, etc. And just what the heck is a "heavy weapon?" My pistol with 17 rounds in the mag is heavier than one with 10, does that make me bad?

According to him everybody that amasses such a "huge stockpile of weapons" should be on some watch list. That apparently includes me, and I'm very new to this game. I don't own nearly as much as most of you, but I have what the CO guy had - a semi-auto rifle (though not an AR), a shotgun and 2 handguns, with some ammo for each (haven't counted lately, but a few thousand rounds total). The government couldn't possibly afford to watch everybody that owns as much as my "arsenal."



Bout time, he's just a loud mouth herp derp who doesn't know what he's talking about. I think he would call someone like himself a pinhead.

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kimi
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Posted - 07/27/2012 :  01:38:35 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by CS8161

O'Reilly continues to show his elitist, arrogant ignorance. he was "debating" Lou Dobbs this evening and would not allow Lou to make a point. Again he focuses on "heavy weapons" and that anyone who buys an AK should be investigated. He agrees with Eric Holder that anyone who buys more than one "assault" rifle at a time in the border states, must have their information forwarded to ATF. I just can't watch him any longer, he has become a pompous ass. He is "just looking out for the folks" because I guess we are not smart enough to figure things out for ourselves. I bet he sees a decline in his ratings over the next few years.



Dobbs did a great job tonight and clearly put Oreilly in his place. OReilly is definitely blowing what little cover he had left with any followers of his who have the capacity to speak for themselves.

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hulk2
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Posted - 07/27/2012 :  02:03:35 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I also e-mailed O' reilly & let him know how far outside of reality he was on this "heavy weapon" rant of his. This one issue really put him in the same realm of other "KOOKs" he interview's & then try's to discredit. He does'nt do himself any favors by going on the air with such insane diatribe. Put's himself in the same category with all the other "KOOL-AID" drinker so-called news outlets....
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Welcome hulk2. To the world of confusion. JMO.
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Horse Plains Drifter
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Posted - 07/27/2012 :  09:50:13 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by wpage

RPG's and Bazooka's are not in the 2nd amendment...

A decent thing.

The hell they ain't.


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swopjan
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Posted - 07/27/2012 :  9:04:58 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
He calls semi-automatic guns "heavy weapons." I didn't realize my .22 was so controversial.

I don't even consider a machine gun a heavy weapon unless it's crew served. I never watched O'Reilly before but he is clearly an idiot, and a loud one at that.

"An AK-47? That's not heavy armor?" No Bill, it's not heavy OR armor

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SCOUT5
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Posted - 07/27/2012 :  9:16:36 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by wpage

RPG's and Bazooka's are not in the 2nd amendment...

A decent thing.



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HooverTactical
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Posted - 07/27/2012 :  9:20:53 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SCOUT5

quote:
Originally posted by wpage

RPG's and Bazooka's are not in the 2nd amendment...

A decent thing.



Ignorance has a cure, it's called education, get you some.



get you some?

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SCOUT5
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Posted - 07/27/2012 :  9:30:44 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by FreudianSlippers

Last night, Bill O'Reilly repeated the ridiculous claims he was making about firearms and gun law in support of his position that Congress should "pass a new law that requires the sale of 'heavy weapons' to be reported to the FBI." His guest, Representative Jason Chaffetz, tried to correct him, but as usual, O'Reilly simply talked over him.

Here is the 5-minute video from last night's show: http://www.billoreilly.com/video?chartID=610&vid=539487484223522053

The "debate" begins 30 seconds into the video. Here are some of the highlights:

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I said, "heavy weapons": mortars, howitzers, machine guns. In this age of terrorism, if you do a flight school, the FBI is alerted, but you can buy a machine gun, and the FBI doesn't know.

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Have you ever been to a gun show? Do you know that you can buy any weapon you want there, and there's no reporting any way. You can walk right out.

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You can buy an AK-47 in this country, and no federal agency will know you buy it, and as the guy in Colorado proved, you can buy a mass amount of ammunition on the 'Net, and nobody's reporting it.

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Say this guy who bought 60,000 rounds in Colorado -- which he did -- and the FBI in Denver got wind of that, they would've been watching him.

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There aren't any federal laws on the books to report that. There are seven states that require, if you buy an AK, and 43 that don't.


Dustin Ellermann, the winner of the third season of History Channel's Top Shot, wrote an excellent rebuttal: http://fishgame.com/deblog.php?p=539



From the article:

"There are plenty of regulations already in check for firearms ownership. These regulations already infringe on our 2nd Amendment rights. We need to remember that the 2nd Amendment has absolutely nothing to do with hunting, sports or even self defense. It is a God given right to preserve our freedom by allowing the citizens of America to be armed and able stand against tyranny of the government. That was the intent, and it is where Americanís must draw the line."

He was close but not quite there. While we all know he is correct in stating as a purpose of the second amendment is to protect ourselves against tyranny, he is wrong in his comment on self defense. The 2nd amendment is based to the idea of self preservation, the most basic of natural rights. Self defense is certainly included in self preservation. IMO, when addressing the right covered under the 2nd amendment we should not sell it short. If we argue it does not include self defense, then why have a carry piece?

Shall not be infringed should speak for itself.

Edited by - SCOUT5 on 07/27/2012 9:33:32 PM
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Originally posted by gary wray

I actually like the show but Bill knows nothing about guns but pretends that he does. He does not know the diff between a fully auto weapon, a semiauto, or a RPG and such. He shouts, finger points, yells, but knows nothing. He really PO'ed me last night when he started shouting at the guy he was "debating" (who was also lousy...I think on purpose to make Bill look good) about "heavy weapons" and such...and how we should not be able to purchase an AK (which he thinks all weapons called AK are fullyauto) and was completely confused on how many rounds the CO shooter had ("60,000") when all reports indicate he had 6,000 rds of .223 so Bill got lost on another digit or so. Just on and on. Being a historian myself, I would never buy his fakehistory book on Lincoln's ass (that most likely someone else "ghostwrote" for him) now as I guess hethinks the Prez was shot with a "heavy weapon" rather than a derringer



WOW, that was really well written.

I'm guessing "publish or perish" isn't the rule at WV trade schools, huh"
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