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Gunswapper
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698 Posts

Posted - 11/13/2017 :  9:02:22 PM  Show Profile
I have a Romanian 22 training rifle in the shop that will fire with the safety engaged. This rifle is marked UMC2 over 1974 over V-5180. The bolt is marked U-4954. I have another similar rifle minus the bolt. The bolt from my customers rifle fits my rifle and the safety works fine. My rifle is marked UMC2 over 1973 over U-6906. I tried the sear from my rifle in the customers rifle and the safety still did not prevent the rifle from firing. I then added the trigger and sear from my rifle in the customers rifle and the safety still did not work. Any suggestions?

mrmike08075
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Posted - 11/13/2017 :  10:38:33 PM  Show Profile
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/#/topics/407682?page=4

No direct answer to your question but the links to tech manuals might prove helpful.

Mike

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pip5255
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USA
7422 Posts

Posted - 11/13/2017 :  10:49:08 PM  Show Profile
it is a bolt safety correct ?
there in lies the problem.

tired not retired !
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charliemeyer007
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Posted - 11/13/2017 :  10:58:12 PM  Show Profile
Sounds like bubba did some trigger work or perhaps parts are worn from use. I'd be looking at the bolt's striker working surface.


Cut and pasted.
It is a Romanian military training rifle, the sight picture approximates the sights on an AK rifle. Trigger is similar to an AK too, long takeup, some resistance, then the trigger breaks. I bought a bunch of them when they were first imported back around 1995. If you bought four, you could get them for $55 each.

Pretty neat rifles, fairly accurate, light and handy. They are copies of Winchester Model 69 target rifles, and can use the same magazine.

The dates on the ones I had ran anywhere from 1969 to 1984.

I traded of all but the best one, which I still shoot frequently. I use it a lot as a canoeing gun, figure if I capsize and lose the rifle, I'm not out a bunch of money.
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Gunswapper
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698 Posts

Posted - 11/16/2017 :  08:57:27 AM  Show Profile
it is a bolt safety correct ?
there in lies the problem.

Pip can you please explain this post? What is the problem?
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pip5255
Advanced Member

USA
7422 Posts

Posted - 11/16/2017 :  7:33:00 PM  Show Profile
you need to disassemble the bolt to find the problem, I would suspect you will find worn or broken piece. I have done a bit of bolt repairs over the years and you may get lucky and be able to correct problem.

tired not retired !
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Gunswapper
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698 Posts

Posted - 11/16/2017 :  8:29:33 PM  Show Profile
Why will it work in my rifle but not in the customers rifle with my sear and trigger?
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pip5255
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USA
7422 Posts

Posted - 11/16/2017 :  9:35:44 PM  Show Profile
you are mismatching parts and not properly fitting them for function probably because of wear and tear for a guess, I don't have it here to examine all components but as I stated previously I would start in the bolt.

tired not retired !
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charliemeyer007
Advanced Member

USA
5352 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2017 :  1:01:32 PM  Show Profile
I agree with pip5255. You are about to learn gunsmithing vs gun assembly or swapping parts. The gun, in this case is cheap so expecting part to just drop in and fit/function isn't reasonable. The system of working parts has tolerances, so some plus here is fixed by some minus there. When fitting it's a lot easier to remove some metal then put it back.

added Good work.

Edited by - charliemeyer007 on 12/01/2017 9:02:28 PM
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Gunswapper
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698 Posts

Posted - 12/01/2017 :  5:30:32 PM  Show Profile
I finally found the problem! I took the stock off again and noticed the trigger housing wiggled a bit. Inside the bottom of the trigger housing just in front of the sear I found a screw. When i tightened the screw a couple turns everything worked like it should. That is why the bolt and safety worked in my gun; my trigger housing was tight! Thanks for the comments!
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sandwarrior
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USA
5520 Posts

Posted - 12/02/2017 :  11:03:40 AM  Show Profile
Glad you found the problem. I had one of those once and it wouldn't fire reliably. I thought it was a broken firing pin, so I acquired another one. Turns out it was just full of dried and hardened cosmoline. So, when I sold it, I sent it with the rifle, just in case.

It was a cool rifle, I just had six other .22's and it seemed to need a new life. I ran into the guy who bought it shortly after that and his wife, who he bought it for, just loves it.



Every shot serves a purpose, whether accurate or inaccurate. It will always tell you what you did, and did not do, right. Even if all you have is a fraction of a second to make it, learn from it. So the next one is even better.
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