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rambo rebel
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Posted - 01/12/2018 :  2:24:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
anyone else other than me or did I watch too many mad scientist movies when I was growing up?

I mean what if we create something dangerous that multiplies like rabbits and ate anything like a goat?


https://phys.org/news/2010-05-scientists-goats-spider-silk.html



https://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/commentary/item/27935-minimum-wage-hikes-take-a-toll-red-robin-announces-massive-layoffs



spider-goat, spider-goat ---- bbbaaahhhhhh

there's only one hope for this world. 3:16



Even IF there is no God, what if we just lived our lives as if there were?

If the people who think about changing the world would think about changing themselves, they might accomplish both.

p3skyking
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Chimeras worry the hell out of me. I guess that's why Blade Runner absolutely creeped me out.

If nature hasn't made it, there's probably a pretty damned good reason and not even I'm arrogant enough to play God.

Freakly movie.
Peter Benchley's Creature (1998 TV miniseries)
aka Creature
starring Craig T. Nelson, Kim Cattrall, Colm Feore, Michael Reilly Burke, Blu Mankuma, Giancarlo Esposito
IMdb review:
In the early 1970s in the Caribbean, Dr. Ernest Bishop is part of a military experiment involving a creature that is part shark, part dolphin, and part something else. Something goes terribly wrong, and at least one person dies. The creature is loose to wreak havoc 25 years later. Ben Madiera is a member of a group fishing off the coast of Dr. Simon Chase's island. Chase is tracking a great white shark he has tagged and has discovered one of Madiera's group has caught it. He pleads for the great white to be released, but they refuse. Chase frees the shark anyway, and from this point on he is hated by Madiera's group. Several people die in what seem to be shark attacks, so naturally Chase is blamed since that must have been his shark. There is evidence the creature is not a shark, but people won't listen. Chase's ex, Dr. Amanda Mayson, comes to the rescue, bringing the couple's son, Max. Chase's research finally indicates the military was involved with the creature, and he is put in touch with Admiral Aaron Richland, whose only concern is covering up what makes the Navy look bad. Dr. Chase acts a little too zealously because he discovers the research that led to the creature might have cured his brother's cancer had it been made available, and he wants the world to know about the findings. As one might expect, more people die, and no one seems to take Chase seriously.

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50-70RB
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Posted - 01/12/2018 :  6:51:45 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Africa has had humans longer than any other continent. Has minerals, rivers and climates for farming. Why then are they so far behind? They've been getting billions of dollars x 70 years. Where are their railroads, or roads for that matter? Where is their electricity? Why are churches from here still having to go over there and dig wells in some mud and sticks village? Why haven't they copied successful countries when they've had the awareness for decades if not centuries? Trump is spot on but he needs to be more cunning.

My life went to hell when I started kindergarten-never had a day when I had time to go to work. Now I have that pre-kindergarten freedom.
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droptop
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Posted - 01/12/2018 :  6:58:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 50-70RB

Africa has had humans longer than any other continent. Has minerals, rivers and climates for farming. Why then are they so far behind? They've been getting billions of dollars x 70 years. Where are their railroads, or roads for that matter? Where is their electricity? Why are churches from here still having to go over there and dig wells in some mud and sticks village? Why haven't they copied successful countries when they've had the awareness for decades if not centuries? Trump is spot on but he needs to be more cunning.


Inbreeding?
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auctionplug
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Posted - 01/12/2018 :  7:23:08 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If I recall correctly the milk of the spider goat is used to make spectra [or whatever they call it] bullet proof vests.


But yeah it does creep me out a bit. Remember the Borg, or the Zager and Evans song year 2525?



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wpageabc
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Posted - 01/12/2018 :  7:36:20 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Seems to be popular in the science world. If it really worked. They would be pushing it on us...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u99Q7pNAjvg
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yoshmyster
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Posted - 01/12/2018 :  7:43:42 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Kind a makes one wonder where the "Ancients" came up with them Myths? Three headed dog of Greek. Animal headed "demi-gods" of Egypt. Big ass serpents with feathery wings out of Meso-America. Trolls out of Viking lands.

As for SyFy of modern times with Big Ass Bunnies. "Food Of The Gods"? "Man With Golden Eyes"? Or was that "Man With X-Ray Eyes"? "Creature Feature" was pretty good.

The idea of Chimera is interesting. Just need to figure out the binding agent. "Island Of Doctor Moro" .

The reason why Africa is a Sh--hole is corruption and eons of occupation. But everyone even in a mud hut today has a cell phone so it's all good . Who cares where they get clean water. People who goes there and do it for them are just there making themselves feel good.

Also I figure when the earth gets jacked (asteroid, North Korean Nukes, what have you) they'll have a leg up roughing it. Americans will have a huge learning curve.
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JamesRK
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Posted - 01/12/2018 :  8:09:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What concerns me more than monkeying around with DNA is NASA's search for extraterrestrial life. They are spending money like we had some and searching for life everywhere but Earth.

It's unlikely they will be successful but it is within the realm of possibility. If they are successful there is probably an even chance it will be something Orkin and Terminix can't deal with or a virus or bacteria with teeth. It could make us homesick for the middle Ages.

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buschmaster
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Posted - 01/12/2018 :  8:16:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Africa never had developed because of the climate on their continent.

every culture's development started with an agrarian culture. that started when they harnessed the plow.

the plow was invented somewhere in Asia, and archaeologists observed the spread of that 'technology' straight westward, along latitudes with climactic zones suitable for farming where the plow could be taken advantage of.

north and south of that, where the plow didn't do much good, agrarian cultures didn't come until much later when they learned how well their neighbors were doing with their agrarian culture, or even had to compete with their economy.

Africa has no such temperate zones amenable to large scale farming with a plow. it doesn't help that their continent runs north and south, not east and west, so even if the plow did catch on somewhere it would have been relatively isolated.

North America was of course isolated from Europe and Asia. so the Indians remained hunter-gatherers. they did have a little farming so yes, they would have taken up the plow like all the other Europeans, Asians and Middle-Easterners did.

two factoids stick in my head.

one, the farmers of Europe had light, very efficient plows. but the plantations of America didn't use them. they used heavy plows that weren't very efficient but they were harder to break... because the slaves would always get sick of working and break the plow on purpose. so that's what they got to use.

secondly, we all know that "the cradle of civilization" was in the Middle-East. that really didn't take off until they were forced to become more organized- out of necessity. after they had become agrarian the water supplies dwindled and they fought each other for water for the crops.

so says the history books.
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droptop
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Posted - 01/12/2018 :  8:33:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JamesRK

What concerns me more than monkeying around with DNA is NASA's search for extraterrestrial life. They are spending money like we had some and searching for life everywhere but Earth.

It's unlikely they will be successful but it is within the realm of possibility. If they are successful there is probably an even chance it will be something Orkin and Terminix can't deal with or a virus or bacteria with teeth. It could make us homesick for the middle Ages.




They are searching but it's for Intelligent Life
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droptop
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Posted - 01/12/2018 :  8:36:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by buschmaster

Africa never had developed because of the climate on their continent.

every culture's development started with an agrarian culture. that started when they harnessed the plow.

the plow was invented somewhere in Asia, and archaeologists observed the spread of that 'technology' straight westward, along latitudes with climactic zones suitable for farming where the plow could be taken advantage of.

north and south of that, where the plow didn't do much good, agrarian cultures didn't come until much later when they learned how well their neighbors were doing with their agrarian culture, or even had to compete with their economy.

Africa has no such temperate zones amenable to large scale farming with a plow. it doesn't help that their continent runs north and south, not east and west, so even if the plow did catch on somewhere it would have been relatively isolated.

North America was of course isolated from Europe and Asia. so the Indians remained hunter-gatherers. they did have a little farming so yes, they would have taken up the plow like all the other Europeans, Asians and Middle-Easterners did.

two factoids stick in my head.

one, the farmers of Europe had light, very efficient plows. but the plantations of America didn't use them. they used heavy plows that weren't very efficient but they were harder to break... because the slaves would always get sick of working and break the plow on purpose. so that's what they got to use.

secondly, we all know that "the cradle of civilization" was in the Middle-East. that really didn't take off until they were forced to become more organized- out of necessity. after they had become agrarian the water supplies dwindled and they fought each other for water for the crops.

so says the history books.


Only the ones that didn't get eaten by sharks.
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buschmaster
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Posted - 01/12/2018 :  9:03:36 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
yeh. I'd be a lot more concerned about a deadly bacteria or virus than some sort of goatmonster on the loose.

we never did get rid of anything completely. plague, herpes, the flu, typhoid, cholera, malaria, ebola, modern medicine keeps them at bay but without it they would come right back.

now how about some virus that can't be killed or vaccinated against? we would be toast.
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mag00
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Posted - 01/12/2018 :  9:23:44 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
secondly, we all know that "the cradle of civilization" was in the Middle-East. that really didn't take off until they were forced to become more organized- out of necessity. after they had become agrarian the water supplies dwindled and they fought each other for water for the crops.

That's what the fake news/scientits would have us believe, but we all know Intelligent life started in Tucson

Contrary to popular belief, humans migrated out from Tucson, up over to russia and then south to africa, that is why they are so backward. They been oppressed by the rich white cave men.

If anything can go right, it will go right and at the best possible time.

Edited by - mag00 on 01/12/2018 9:24:10 PM
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pwillie
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Posted - 01/12/2018 :  11:32:23 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wasn't the first recorded The "Nile Civilization"?.....as the migration northward continued, the intelligence levels rose...
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p3skyking
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Posted - 01/13/2018 :  12:16:27 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 50-70RB

Africa has had humans longer than any other continent. Has minerals, rivers and climates for farming. Why then are they so far behind? They've been getting billions of dollars x 70 years. Where are their railroads, or roads for that matter? Where is their electricity? Why are churches from here still having to go over there and dig wells in some mud and sticks village? Why haven't they copied successful countries when they've had the awareness for decades if not centuries? Trump is spot on but he needs to be more cunning.



Because they are actually closer to H-o-m-o-Erectus than Cro-Magnon. We all still have vestiges of Neanderthal (1.5% for most) who never went extinct but was bred out.
Science has been corrupted by PC standards, but some, like Bill Shockley, still believed in pure science and were damned for it.

If you ever want to read an eye opening article, get the January 2012 copy of NatGeo. I am still amazed it ever made it to publication given the uproar it caused.

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buschmaster
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Posted - 01/13/2018 :  01:33:02 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
the Egyptians were the first recorded civilization, going back to 5500 BC. but they weren't the first. at their beginning, the Egyptians were good friends with the Kingdom of Punt, to the south, which faded into obscurity with the rise of the Egyptians. they may have been what we know as Ethiopians later on, who actually had quite an advanced civilization as far as African countries go.

during the time of the Egyptians there were other proto-civilizations in the area such as the Semites, Hittites, and Nubians. in the Levant (the area around Israel/Palestine) there came an influx of "The Sea Peoples", nobody knows where they came from. those were the ones from deepest antiquity who worshipped Dagon, first as a Grain God when they were farmers and later as a Fish God when they were fishers. Egyptians primarily concerned themselves with making the peoples of the Levant their vassal states and collecting taxes from them; they were less civilized but at least they had an economy they could tax. Egyptians didn’t care about Semites (later Sumerians) they only wanted them for slaves. Egyptians hated them and the Nubians.

the Egyptians flourished, and for the same reason didn't go anywhere or transmit their culture: because they were insulated geographically from the rest of the ancient world. miles and miles of sand (Libya) to the west, the Red Sea to the east, the Mediterranean to the north, and a long stretch of land between them and the Nubians to the south. that prevented invasion. they could grow their crops in peace. later when they became more powerful they could (and would) reach across to invade others.

around 1250 BC there was the "Bronze Age Catastrophe" where everyone in that corner of the world simply disappeared. even the Egyptians almost snuffed it. nobody knows why or what happened. wasn't war, or plague, or earthquake. nobody knows. and that was the end of that.

the Egyptians were the first 'civilization', and they lasted an astonishing 4000 years, but we don't consider them the 'cradle of civilization' because they weren't modern. the area of Mesopotamia was. the Sumerians had every institution us moderns have: commerce, shipping, banking, courts of law, etc. and next the Babylonians inherited everything they had. that was in the "fertile crescent” around the Tigris and Euphrates river valleys.

as said above, they had to get their act together to fight each other in the region for water and that’s when they became much more organized. before, they were peaceful, simple farmers, not even as advanced as the Mayans in some regards. during their competition against each other to survive they evolved. 'civilization' took off.

around 600 BC the Babylonians were conquered by the Persians and they freed all captives, allowing the Jews to return home. the Greeks date from around 1000 or 700 BC, and always traveling in search of knowledge, were in contact with what was left of the Egyptians, Syrians, Macedonians, and the Indians of the Indus river valley. (resulting in such a thing as Greco-Buddhism) but there is little mention of the Greeks interacting with Babylonians; perhaps that was because they were vassals of the Persians, who were enemies of the Greeks.

by the time the Romans came into power around 100 BC-200 AD, the Greeks were used as highly-educated slaves; they thought the Egyptians were ridiculous; the Persians were an enemy to be vanquished and Babylon had already fallen into ruins.

thus our “classical” civilization begins with the Greeks and Romans, even though Mesopotamia was the “cradle of civilization” and the Egyptians had lasted longer than all of them put together.
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JamesRK
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Posted - 01/13/2018 :  02:09:57 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by droptop

quote:
Originally posted by JamesRK

What concerns me more than monkeying around with DNA is NASA's search for extraterrestrial life. They are spending money like we had some and searching for life everywhere but Earth.

It's unlikely they will be successful but it is within the realm of possibility. If they are successful there is probably an even chance it will be something Orkin and Terminix can't deal with or a virus or bacteria with teeth. It could make us homesick for the middle Ages.


They are searching but it's for Intelligent Life


Finding intelligent life would be the Holy Grail. Finding a civilization would be even better, but most are in agreement that won't happen until we can routinely travel outside our solar system.

Every time they find what they think is evidence of life a few million years ago there is huge celebration at NASA, then arguments that turn into internal wars. Finding life of any kind anywhere would be huge. It would prove the theory that keeps the money flowing. I doubt if it will ever happen, but it could, and in my opinion dangerous beyond understanding.

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mnrivrat48
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Posted - 01/13/2018 :  02:38:14 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If it wasn't for ancient highly intelligent humanoid like critters coming to this planet and messing with DNA we would not exist.

WELCOME TO THE NEW WORD ORDER - RESISTANCE IS FUTILE - YOU WILL ASSIMILATE
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djh860
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This worries me a great deal. They have this new technology called crisper. They can insert DNA into any other DNA strand. Once done that creature is changed and will even pass down these new traits to the offspring. I can see how it would seem like a great idea for farming ect but so much could go wrong.
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He Dog
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Posted - 01/13/2018 :  09:46:25 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We should rename General Discussion, Luddite Central.

Don't worry about whether scientists will create something dangerous, worry about whether governments will figure out a way to weaponize it.

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