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emsfire
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Posted - 04/05/2018 :  10:08:20 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Alright, I have a rifle up for auction that is C&R Eligbile, thatís all I know (itís also a rifle btw). I do not have a C&R or FFL. If the bidders that wins has a C&R do I just ship it to them without having to send the rifle through an FFL dealer or what?

Mark G
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USA
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Posted - 04/05/2018 :  10:50:57 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, you can send the rifle directly to the C&R. Include a copy of your Drivers License. The C&R holder will then log it into his records. The C&R IS a FFL. Just not a dealer.

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11b6r
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USA
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Posted - 04/05/2018 :  10:53:10 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What he said up there ^^^. A Dealer is an 01 FFL, a Pawn Shop an 02 FFL, and a collector an 03 FFL. Different licenses for different purposes. In the case of a collector, it is so that the rifle does not HAVE to go to a dealer.

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oldWinchesterfan
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Posted - 04/05/2018 :  11:01:25 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I believe you need to have the buyer send you a copy of his C&R before you ship and retain that copy for you records. I don't know how long you need to retain it.
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nmyers
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Posted - 04/05/2018 :  3:44:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, you need a photocopy of his C&R license. And, you need to ship to the name/address listed. And, his C&R license address should match his drivers license address. If in doubt, you phone ATF to verify that he is legit.

You don't have to retain all the photocopies, but it's a good idea to keep them, just in case the police knock on your door & ask to see the gun.

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toad67
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USA
5944 Posts

Posted - 04/06/2018 :  12:04:07 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Also, when you ship a copy of your d/l, make sure you use a sharpie to mark off your dob, drivers license number, and anything else that is un necessary to him. All a type 3 holder needs is your name and address. Too many people looking to make fake copies of drivers licenses out there for identity fraud..Most FFL's will now email a copy of their address along wit their FFL number which is easily checked, so that some can't fake a copy of their FFL with a new name and address..Type 3's need to be run thru the ATF though..
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golferboy426
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Posted - 04/07/2018 :  9:58:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
question: can you successfully use the atf ez check to verify a C&R FFL
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mark christian
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USA
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Posted - 04/07/2018 :  10:40:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by golferboy426

question: can you successfully use the atf ez check to verify a C&R FFL



No. EZ-Check was specifically designed so that Type 03 FFLs cannot be accessed online. The reasons are simple: The licensed premises address is the same as the home address for 99.5% of all Type 03 holders. Having that type of personal information floating around the web would cause endless privacy issues. It is possible to verify a Type 03 FFL by calling the ATF Licensing Center in Atlanta, but response won't be instantaneous.
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nmyers
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Posted - 04/08/2018 :  08:02:36 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I see no need to worry about verifying a C&R license. ATF is not worried about it; if they are happy, then I'm happy.

Of course, I would always request a drivers license photocopy from someone with a C&R, just as I would if transferring a gun to a dealer I did not know.

EZ Check was developed because, about 30 years ago, there were a couple of criminal cases involving altered dealer FFL's. Since then, nothing.

Neal
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dfletcher
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USA
7670 Posts

Posted - 04/09/2018 :  6:19:31 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by emsfire

Alright, I have a rifle up for auction that is C&R Eligbile, thatís all I know (itís also a rifle btw). I do not have a C&R or FFL. If the bidders that wins has a C&R do I just ship it to them without having to send the rifle through an FFL dealer or what?



You may want to check and ensure state law allows for direct shipment of a C&R eligible gun directly to the C&R holder. CA doesn't allow it for handguns, and requires that a C&R holder also have a CA issued "Certificate of Eligibility" to directly receive long guns via shipping. CA may be among the worst, I'd be surprised if they were the only state doing so, in some fashion.

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