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serf
Anti Gun Lib

6201 Posts

Posted - 09/02/2017 :  12:04:02 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by roswellnative

There were no explosives other than 300 tons of airliner the terrorists used.

Plane crashes into building. Fuel is sprayed all over the interior. Ignites, burns very hot. The building was designed for vertical forces. Not lateral or super hot forces.

Anybody that thinks there were Gmen that put explosives in the portion of the building that the planes would hit just baffles me.
ros



What baffles me is how they completely ignored all the intelligence from numerous sources of a jet plane ramming buildings after The Muslims already blew up a Truck at The Trade Center Building in 1993!

Pure stupidity or pure evil genius either way I don't trust my leaders here in America. People who believe in the government and are your benefactor and cares are just a stupid as our leaders are!

You even reelected George Bush jr. Again! What a joke the blind sheple are here In The USA!

serf

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=91651&page=1

It was not the only signal FBI headquarters missed. Just weeks later, agents in Minnesota told headquarters of the arrest of suspected terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui at a flight school in St. Paul, suggesting he might be planning to hijack a plane and crash it into the World Trade Center.

FBI field agents wanted to search his computer but they were unable to get the authorization.

No one was able to put the two warnings — Moussaoui and Phoenix — together in the fateful weeks before Sept. 11.

Edited by - serf on 09/02/2017 12:04:50 PM
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Mr. Perfect
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Posted - 09/05/2017 :  12:12:32 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by mag00

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If you revert to rule #1, follow the money, you will see that the buildings were recently purchased for next to nothing (condition issues), then heavily insured, all within a timeline which would allow for the orchestration of the malefic plan for a big payday, with nefarious players in the bldg 7 as beneficiaries, who helped.

So now you have motive, means and forensic evidence and yet the king is wearing magnificent cloths.


The players could come right out and announce their role in the plot, and nobody would believe that our government officials could do any harm.

They did with the Obama Cert, and nobody cared of prosecuted anyone. They're still trying to get Snowden and Assange. The trail of bodies in the Hillary camp should be an indication of why the truth will not come out from the players.

I see little to no value in linking any of this to Obama or otherwise entertaining crackpot theories. If you want to do that, I suggest you start your own thread on it.



No thank you, you are the King of Troll topics, kindof like the red pill one.

I thought you and others might find the information interesting.

Literally no trolling by me either here or there.



So did you research the plumes of smoke? Just now on the news, they are showing the chemical plants burning, and that is yet another smoke plume unique to the propellant.

No. I have not.

"When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace." -Jesus

"Also he [David] bade them teach the children of Judah [the use of] the bow" -Samuel

"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Col. Jeff Cooper

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

Some will die in hot pursuit and fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit while sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life and drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche coming down the mountain

G1
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droptop
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USA
4536 Posts

Posted - 09/06/2017 :  07:08:56 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Concerning the Houston (Crosby) fires, controlled burn off. Basically a small plant and no big deal unless fumes are deadly.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/arkema-chemical-plant-harvey-controlled-burn-crosby-texas/
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spasmcreek
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Posted - 09/08/2017 :  5:03:15 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
the buildings came dowm...3000some died..and it seems to me we played patty cake politics with the real financiers and movers behind this and still are..when a massive overwhelming response should have obliterated the all the enemy....soon after...imho
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Waco Waltz
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USA
12270 Posts

Posted - 10/20/2017 :  06:39:10 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No one here seems to know that a floor was out of service for three week prior to the attack and no one knows who the contractor was or what they were doing up there. Same situation existed in the OK city Federal Building and in both cases the feds had no interest in talking the the witnesses of the work crews seen.

As for Det cord, don't assume. For all we know new methods were used we are not privy to the existence of.




“There was truth and there was untruth, and if you clung to the truth even against the whole world, you were not mad.”
George Orwell, 1984
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wifetrained
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USA
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Posted - 10/22/2017 :  05:10:39 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So much time has passed that we'll probably never get the actual truth or answers to all the questions. That said I'll leave my 2 cents here.

Having an aviation background I have long suspected the official storyline as much of it made little sense. Yes planes hit two of the buildings but lets look a little deeper here. The towers were designed to withstand the impact of a 707 class aircraft, so the buildings were designed to take a lateral impact. The 767 is slightly larger but we'll say it's roughly in the same class. Don points out an approach speed impact as a design point.

Now while the 767 is a large aircraft it's, for the most part, hollow as are most commercial aircraft meant to carry passengers, freight, or some combination there of. The fuel is carried in the center section of the wings and the area in the fuselage between the wings (the center tanks). Fore and aft of the wings fuel tanks are the leading and trailing edge flaps, spoilers/deflectors, aileron's, all the accompanying wiring, mechanic's, and plumbing associated with them and the main landing gear and gear bay areas which are more centrally located inboard of the engine nacelles. So when I read about people stating the plane was "FULL" of jet fuel....well it's not as much as many think relative to the total size of the aircraft.

Unless an aircraft is on a transoceanic flight they usually carry only enough fuel to complete their scheduled flight plus a reserve in the event of a problem. So how much fuel was actually left on board when impact occurred. Most of which went up in the fireball and a fair amount was thrown clear of the building due to inertia. Pretty obvious when looking at any of the videos.

Any remaining fuel would burn up quickly leaving only normal office combustibles left to feed any remaining fires. So an aircraft which is roughly 1/1000th the mass of the building with a remaining fuel load that was much much smaller, say 1/6-7000th the mass of the building, was somehow sufficient to bring down the towers. Throw in engine oil and hydraulic fluid, which is in a vastly smaller quantity, and I simply don't see enough remaining fuel to sustain fires hot enough to cause a total structural failure as seen when the collapse occurred.

And lets remember that the damage to either building was not symmetrical but the collapse pretty much was.

Buildings 4 and 5 in the trade center complex were totally consumed by fire and only one, #5 I believe, suffered a partial collapse and that was due to falling debris from the towers. Building 7 was only hit with some debris, the resulting fires were initially considered minor but you hear various stories such as all 47 floors were on fire, the fires were pretty much out, the building was in imminent danger of collapse, it was fine, in the end it collapsed within hours of the towers. And it collapsed, it appears, from the center out in what many feel was a classic controlled demolition. Anyone remember seeing the BBC media's live broadcast about the demise of building 7 when said building could be seen intact in the background??!!?? There are various explanations for that discrepancy but who knows where the truth resides.

What's the statistical probability of having 3 skyscapers collapsing within their own footprints within hours, one of which wasn't even impacted by anything other than some debris?

The Pentagon is even more problematic as it's probably the most surveiled building on the planet yet only 1 very short video has ever been released and I can't see a Cessna hitting the building let alone a Boeing 757 airliner. It's obvious something hit the building and exploded...but what? Remember to keep in mind the size of the aircraft in relation to that side of the building. If I can see a TOW missile fly to it's target(roughly 650-720 MPH, less than 5 feet long) 1000 meters downrange with my Mk 1 eyeballs I should be able to see a plane as large as a 757 (over 150 feet long) travelling at around 300 knots in the video. The explosion doesn't look right considering a fairly large airliner supposedly hit the building at around 300 knots. And where's the structural debris consistent with a 757 aircraft, where are the longeron's, main and intermediate wing spars, engine nacelles, struts, drag braces, actuators, and the tail? The impact footprint looks way too small for a 757.

Simply put, we are told to believe that a number of the terrorists barely trained to fly a Cessna pulled off the biggest terror attack in world history. In the end we only know what we are told, what's allowed to be released and that's pretty much it in a nutshell. We just don't have all the answers and after 16 years probably never will. My simplistic 2 cents FWIW.

Edited by - wifetrained on 10/23/2017 06:04:25 AM
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