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run in with the police.. *UPDATED*

timinpatiminpa Member Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited August 2011 in General Discussion
Over a dang pizza.

My girl and I ordered a pizza from the local pizza loint last week, 3 of them. I've been going there for 15 years. It's one of the only places I like.

O.K. so we get home with them and 2 are burnt (bad), so I call them to complain, Probably my first complaint ever about any place, but it wasn't fit to eat. I expressed my problem, and they offer up a couple free pizzas another time..so I agree no big deal.

I call today to take them up on that offer plus add another that I bought. My girl goes to pick it up. The manager lady there starts belittling my girl saying is the pizza good enough for you? better open it and check, not too burnt for you is it, your not gonna call and complain somemore are ya? (all very sarcastically and loud and rude).

My girl is stunned and shy by nature just says they're fine and brings them home. I say heck with that they aren't gonna treat us like that what is the problem.. plus i gotta wonder if they were that upset, did they do something to the pizza? I take it back in there and I say why you gotta act like this over a pizza, you said you'd make it right with the pizzas and I accepted that and even spent money after the problem.

Same manager starts saying we should have brought back the burnt one if it was that bad(they didn't ask me to when I originally complained) and she says that I must be looking for a hand out. I say take all the pizza back and stick it up your bum(cussed).

Just then a local cop who was eating there(chew in his lip and all) comes up tells me get out. I say no, I got no problem with you, I'm trying to get this problem resolved (money back for the one I paid for). The manager lady takes all the pizzas back and says have a nice day(sarcastic again) I say your not even going to give my money back? She walks away from me. I turn to leave and walk half way out the door when the cop grabs my arm from behind me and starts escorting me out the door. I say get your hands off of me, if your not arresting me, you shouldn't be touching me(I pull my arm away and walk out). He follows me and as I'm getting in the car he says.. If I come back out here in a minute and your here still I'm arresting you.

I go home. He pulls in a half hour later, with another bigger cop, and says I need your info, your being cited for disorderly conduct.[}:)][}:)]

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  • DirtyDawgDirtyDawg Member Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Get a lawyer and keep us posted. I hope you own the pizza store & the two JBT's get fired.
  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,664 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Paragraphs are your friend.

    Minding your manners, being nice and not fighting other peoples battles for them will get you a lot more cooperation from folks.

    What did you wind up having for dinner?
  • trapguy2007trapguy2007 Member Posts: 8,959
    edited November -1
    And I am siting you for poor paragraph structure .
    Damn ! ---that was hard to read .
  • swampgutswampgut Member Posts: 5,555
    edited November -1
    Some people don't take criticism well.

    But, you really shouldn't have gone back.
  • trapguy2007trapguy2007 Member Posts: 8,959
    edited November -1
    And on the lighter side ---If I had been going to that Restaurant for 15 years ,I would think I had a relationship with them .
    And if so I would have the managers job ( if what you say is accurate ).
  • swampgutswampgut Member Posts: 5,555
    edited November -1
    I understand your position regarding being a long time customer.

    However, if all the sudden you told your wife something untoward I doubt that would end well either.

    It sounds like it's time to break-up with your pizza place.[:D]
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    Tim, you will get results if you speak to the owner.

    Next step, get in contact with the "officers' supervisor and file a complaint. Fatboy was only trying to ensure his free meals. Get his * in trouble. He deserves it.
  • mrseatlemrseatle Member Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You let a cop touch you?
    [8]
  • KEVD18KEVD18 Member Posts: 15,037
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by trapguy2007
    And I am siting you for poor paragraph structure .
    Damn ! ---that was hard to read .


    and who's going to cite you for misspelling cite?
  • trapguy2007trapguy2007 Member Posts: 8,959
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by KEVD18
    quote:Originally posted by trapguy2007
    And I am siting you for poor paragraph structure .
    Damn ! ---that was hard to read .


    and who's going to cite you for misspelling cite?


    Guilty as charged !
    How big is the fine ?[:D]
  • trapguy2007trapguy2007 Member Posts: 8,959
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by freemind
    Tim, you will get results if you speak to the owner.

    Next step, get in contact with the "officers' supervisor and file a complaint. Fatboy was only trying to ensure his free meals. Get his * in trouble. He deserves it.




    The truth comes out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!![;)]
  • timinpatiminpa Member Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    sorry for the terrible format.. I kept thinking of details to add.
    the manager was new about two weeks ago.

    I know the owner on a somewhat personal basis we grew up in the same town not far from here, I will be in touch tomorrow.

    I agree the cop was just trying to keep the free meals coming they are always there.

    Didn't really wanna scuffle with the cop, I don't need the record and I know they'll say whatever and my word means squat. But I also believe he encouraged the manager to press charges cause his ego was hurt cause I didn't jump when he said jump.. but he was not called there, so he could have minded his own business and the situation could have been resolved. He just really acted like a prick and made things worse.
  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 35,988 ******
    edited November -1
    You shouldn't have used foul language in a public place. (I edited your post.) That is probably where the DC citation came from.

    It is possible to have a disagreement without being nasty. I know that is VERY hard for some of you to accept, but it is the way adults behave.

    If you used the sort of language you say you did, in a public place, the police acted appropriately in citing you.

    Dawnie and I were eating lunch in a local chain burger joint, and it was packed. In a booth, all alone, sipping on a cup of something he brought in with him, was a local panhandler. He had bought nothing; he was just using the booth for a place to sit down. I know him and he knows me. He was taking up an entire booth while other people who had bought food were looking for a place to sit. I eyeballed him until he made eye contact with me. Then I just pointed at him and then at the door. He got the message and went on his way.
  • timinpatiminpa Member Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    By the way.. I still ate pizza just from another shop.. it wasnt bad either[:D]
  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 35,988 ******
    edited November -1
    My personal policy is, you can piss me off, and you can take my money, but you only get a chance to do both, once.
  • Laredo LeftyLaredo Lefty Member Posts: 13,451 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    As with most stories told here, we are only getting one side of it.
  • timinpatiminpa Member Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Nunn, I agree about the language, I lost my cool a bit, So you feel every time a person goes to air a complaint to customer service that it's disorderly conduct if they cuss? I've seen people in the pharmacy rant and rave and cuss for 20 minutes over a prescription. those people don't get charged? because a cop wasn't sitting right there.. he should have stayed out of it unless she asked for help. imo
  • KSUmarksmanKSUmarksman Member Posts: 10,705 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    CALL GORDON RAMSAY!!! [;)]
  • DRP-AZDRP-AZ Member Posts: 2,318 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would like to know the name and number of the place...there are tons of websites which exist to proudly disseminate info about bad businesses.

    Way to go Nunn for bossing around a panhandler. I will sleep better knowing this.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    I do my best not to use foul language in public, as respect for those who wouldn't want to hear it. I also avoid said language in business dealings, as it is in poor decorum.

    With that said, I can have a pretty dirty mouth, when I get wound up.
  • timinpatiminpa Member Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    laredo, I agree..it's my side only, thats why I tried being as honest as possible.. truth is I've seen people act worse at wal-mart, fast food joints, pharmacy, etc... Its the unfortunate part of customer service.. didn't need a Disorderly charge, just speak my peace, get my money back, and leave.
  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,985 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I understand getting in trouble for using foul language. What I dont understand is why in the situation at the burger joint you did what you did. If the owner or employees of the establishment didnt ask you to intervene, and if they didnt ask the panhandler to leave their establishment, than you basicly got your nose into a place it didnt belong. Just because you are a police officer dosnt give you the right to get involved when clearly nobody is in danger of being hurt, there is no crime being committed (at least that you have written about), and the people who run the place didnt ask you to do anything. Do you know that the employees of the store didnt maybe tell the guy he could sit in the store because it was extremley hot or cold? Ive seen many a local McDonalds manager tell homeless folks just that so long as they agree to leave when asked.


    quote:Originally posted by nunn
    You shouldn't have used foul language in a public place. (I edited your post.) That is probably where the DC citation came from.

    It is possible to have a disagreement without being nasty. I know that is VERY hard for some of you to accept, but it is the way adults behave.

    If you used the sort of language you say you did, in a public place, the police acted appropriately in citing you.

    Dawnie and I were eating lunch in a local chain burger joint, and it was packed. In a booth, all alone, sipping on a cup of something he brought in with him, was a local panhandler. He had bought nothing; he was just using the booth for a place to sit down. I know him and he knows me. He was taking up an entire booth while other people who had bought food were looking for a place to sit. I eyeballed him until he made eye contact with me. Then I just pointed at him and then at the door. He got the message and went on his way.
  • bigoutsidebigoutside Member Posts: 19,443
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by timinpa
    Nunn, I agree about the language, I lost my cool a bit, So you feel every time a person goes to air a complaint to customer service that it's disorderly conduct if they cuss? I've seen people in the pharmacy rant and rave and cuss for 20 minutes over a prescription. those people don't get charged? because a cop wasn't sitting right there.. he should have stayed out of it unless she asked for help. imo


    I think you're right.
    I don't think the police in most states can charge someone with trespass without the input of the property owner or their agent.

    "Bad language" is a tough sell to a competent judge. They value the first amendment much like most of this forum values the second.
  • timinpatiminpa Member Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Don't get me wrong.. I'm not gonna argue I was right and everyone else was wrong, just don't feel like the charge was justified because this cop had his ego hurt when I didn't bow down.
  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 35,988 ******
    edited November -1
    The way I handle bad language in public is to warn the person one time. If he doesn't heed the warning, he gets cited. The warning isn't required; it's just the way I do things.

    Moving the panhandler was a public service, and only he, Dawnie, and I were aware of what happened. When he left, he opened up four seats for hungry patrons. No one was going to sit at his booth with him, since he often relieves himself in his clothes, and he seldom bathes.
  • UNIVERSITY50UNIVERSITY50 Member Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "he should have stayed out of it unless she asked for help."
    This has to be one of the Funniest thing said on here in a long time.[:0]
  • skicatskicat Member Posts: 14,431
    edited November -1
    Effective use of the English language is your best friend when settling differences of opinion. Never give up the high ground and you will usually prevail in the end. Not always, but it is a percentages method.

    The only things which enrage me these days are the affronts to my rights. I am angered by the existence of the TSA and Homeland insecurity. I never lose my composure over mundane affairs such as 30 bucks worth of bad pizza.

    I expect other people to sometimes behave unreasonably so when they finally do demonstrate poor behavior I am not taken by surprise. I still feel free to complain but I do it in a very specific manner. I have purposely refused free food offers when I chose to complain about food specifically to distance myself from the many practiced losers who make a career out of garnering freebies through the complaint process. As someone who has dealt with the public for many years I have no wish to ever be confused with one of the complainers.


    timinpa , just to be clear, my above comments are not aimed at you and are general in nature. As an outsider looking in on your case, I can see where the behavior of all the main players could be improved on as you have already acknowledged concerning your own slip into colorful language.
  • sharpshooter039sharpshooter039 Member Posts: 5,897 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:You shouldn't have used foul language in a public place.
    Sorry Nunn but for once I will have to disagree with you. I have been cited twice in my younger years and beat both of them in court. The police can not take away my 1st amendment rights. It has been to court too many times, as long as you are not using fighting words and trying to incite violence I can cuss all I want and I have broken no laws. Obsenity laws were inacted because of religion and the court can not enforce them. I was in a little argument when I was about 20, the guy told me I was acting like a child, I told him " thats alright your acting like a GD 2yr old yourself" and I said the whole GD. Later that day I was arrested and cited for profance language in public.The officer was a member of the same Church as the guy I was arguing with and said the GD was insulting to them both, I fought it in court and won,then my lawyer filed suit against the police dept and again won. I got a nice check and a written letter of appoligy. no police dept, local or state government has the right to take away my Constitutional right of free speech and that has been proven in the higher courts over and over again. Now your town may have such a law but I promise you someday the right person will take it to court and you will lose
  • COLTCOLT Member Posts: 12,637 ******
    edited November -1
    ...Wow, I only skimmed that post and my head hurts.

    Cursing in public is DC, against the law, on the books, etc etc.

    Feel free to complain all you want about bad service, employees, bad food or whatever you feel is wrong, but being so loud and nasty as to disturb everyone else in the place, says a lot about you.

    You just happened to act that way in front of a cop, then decided to get pissy with him when he asked you to leave, then bucked him some more, all YOU'RE words, WTH do you expect?

    If I'd been there with my family trying to enjoy a quite, peaceful meal, and you'd started that loud crap, I'd have told you to pipe down or leave.
    Put yourself in the place of other diners that dont want to listen to ANYONE argueing while PAYING to eat, much less an adult having a hissy fit.

    You wanted to have a fit, buck up to the cop, and you did, saddle up cowboy, its time to pay to play...care for a little cheese with that whine?...[;)]
  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,985 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nunn


    Moving the panhandler was a public service, and only he, Dawnie, and I were aware of what happened. When he left, he opened up four seats for hungry patrons. No one was going to sit at his booth with him, since he often relieves himself in his clothes, and he seldom bathes.


    How was moving the panhandler a public service? Nobody in public asked you to do it, instead you basicly fronted a homeless man outside. If nobody who was looking for a seat, or who worked there, had the people skills to politley ask him to move or leave the establishment I cant see what service you provided? How did you serve or protect the public in this situation?
  • SawzSawz Member Posts: 6,049
    edited November -1
    cops have to protect the hand that feeds them, for free
  • Oso2142Oso2142 Member Posts: 2,940
    edited November -1
    I have to tell you, that OP was very hard to read. However, I think I got it: The OP won a Chevy Citation for eating burnt pizza.

    Was I close? [:D]
  • COLTCOLT Member Posts: 12,637 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:How was moving the panhandler a public service?

    I would have considered it a public service, at least I wouldnt have had to tell him get his nasty butt away from me, saved me the trouble.

    Nasty, reeking, pissy pant, stinking people sitting around taking up space in an eating establishment, are not exactly good for business...he can pay or get out...[;)]
  • mrseatlemrseatle Member Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Sawz
    cops have to protect the hand that feeds them, for free


    They get free meals? No wonder they are all overweight...
  • sharpshooter039sharpshooter039 Member Posts: 5,897 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Been legal to curse in public since this 1968 case,the Supreme court says you can, I won both of my cases based on this,,again as long as you are not trying to incite violence using fighting words you have broken no law


    In 1968, Paul Robert Cohen wore a coat with the words "F--- the draft" on it to the Los Angeles County Courthouse "as a means of informing the public of the depth of his feelings against the Vietnam War and the draft," according to the Supreme Court opinion.

    He was arrested and sentenced to a month in jail under a California statute that prohibited "maliciously and willfully disturb[ing] the peace or quiet of any neighborhood or person . by . offensive conduct."

    Cohen appealed the case, which reached the U.S. Supreme Court in 1971. In a 5-4 decision, the court reversed his conviction, and said that Cohen wasn't trying to incite anyone with his jacket.

    "The State may not, consistently with the First and Fourteenth Amendments, make the simple public display here involved of this single four-letter expletive a criminal offense," wrote John Marshall Harlan in the majority opinion.
  • TxsTxs Member Posts: 18,801
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by timinpa
    Over a dang pizza.I's suggest speaking with your friend, the owner.

    Same as with all criminal offenses, disorderly conduct/breach of the peace involving indecent or profane language in a public place requires a victim - the 'offended' party. The courts have ruled that the cop alone can't be the offended party, meaning that the woman at the counter was apparently willing to sign a complaint against you.

    Your friend just might be willing to discuss whether she should be signing criminal complaints against customers who became pissed at her due to such poor service. After all, this is really nothing more than a dissatisfied customer issue that got way out of hand. Bring it back down to earth.

    After this is resolved you should address the cop's actions with his superiors. I'd suggest starting at the very top for the best result.
  • Alan RushingAlan Rushing Member Posts: 9,002 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Of course hind sight is much better than poor fore sight.

    Going in to the shop perhaps the most serious lapse or most jeopardizing move.

    I'd suggest as you apparently are doing call and speak to the owner and the LEO Super.

    Wishing you positive resolution.

    Let us know how things progress.
  • TxsTxs Member Posts: 18,801
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by sharpshooter039
    quote:You shouldn't have used foul language in a public place.The police can not take away my 1st amendment rights.That's true, but only because the police aren't the ones who write our laws. However, your state's legislators can limit how you're allowed to exercise some of these rights.

    As an example, porn pictures themselves are constitutionally protected items, but I'd bet it's illegal in your state to post them on the wall at McDonald's.

    It might not be the case wherever your incident occurred, but use of foul language in a public place is a violation in most states and has been for quite some time.
  • Tech141Tech141 Member Posts: 3,787 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Since when is * considered "Foul Language"? Heck, they say it on network television all the time. It's even in the bible.


    This country has turned into a big 'ol Cry-baby society. No wonder we are being taken over by a bunch of freaking illegals....
  • armilitearmilite Member Posts: 35,478 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well since my favorite pizza place closed about a month ago, could you please post their name and phone number as I'm looking for a new place to go.
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