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The Dark Side of Law Enforcement
Defender
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Quote from the reporter: "They're knocking on doors. If nobody answers, they're not kicking doors in."
Should they have coerced people to leave? Probably not.
Would they have been legally liable if they had not coerced people to leave? In this litigious society, probably.
Those officers on the scene were doing what they were instructed to do, and although many Nazis used that same defense, I won't draw the parallel. The action was coercive, but not directly harmful (although I recognize that a person might in retrospect question the relative safety of the convention center that woman was sent to).
And frankly, they were doing their job with an armed civilian. I didn't see anything in that video that looked like brutality. No, she didn't look terribly threatening. And no, they didn't really handle her that way.
My $0.02.
Yeah, there's bad apples in every profession. What's your beef, trying to drum up some business?
Ditto[^]
Defender is right. It doesn't say anywhere in the Constitution that your right to keep and bear can be nullified due to the wishes of some horses * police chief and the his dragoons. Average Joe got his firearms confiscated, yet the wealthy and private security were allowed to retain fireams even though it was stated law enforcement and military would be the ONLY ones packin'. From what i've read it wasn't so friendly a knock at the door when the camera wasn't around too.
Now we have a precedent for it to happen again - maybe in your neighborhood. Mike
Easy to pick out those that would have been fighting on the side of the British... a couple hundred years ago.
As in the Revolution all three viewpoints are expressed.
Yes - No - Who cares, let me alone![:D][:D][:D]
quote:About Me
Name:Paul Huebl
Location:Chicago, L.A. & Phoenix
Licensed Private Detective-Former Chicago policeman-Investigative TV News Producer-Reporter.
"Licesed private dick, X Chicago cop"...and NOW an "investigative producer-reporter"
...the guy looks like Mr. Cheesey...[;)] I wonder if he does a little "light hauling" on the side.
...Christ, this nut job again.
quote:About Me
Name:Paul Huebl
Location:Chicago, L.A. & Phoenix
Licensed Private Detective-Former Chicago policeman-Investigative TV News Producer-Reporter.
"Licesed private dick, X Chicago cop"...and NOW an "investigative producer-reporter"
...the guy looks like Mr. Cheesey...[;)] I wonder if he does a little "light hauling" on the side.
No, I don't handle light hauling since I'm busy helping people involved in self-defense shootings...
Perhaps Katrina dispelled the myth that police are not civilians.
Military units don't desert without personal consequences.
Entered an occupied private residence without a warrant and without permission, where no crime was committed or reported, asked to leave by the legal resident, refused to leave, used force to remove a legally owned and possessed firearm from the legal resident in her own home......Hmmmm
Entered other private residences without permission or warrant, which may have been occupied by lawful residents who could have been/should have been armed for self protection, entered in a manner likely to result in deadly force if the resident was there, all this with no specific crime reported at said locations.....Hmmm
Seized (AKA stole)lawfully owned firearms by force, from a number of legal residents who were armed for self protection, or defense of their property.....Hmmm
A few bullet points from this Peace Officers perspective:
*Blatently unconstitutional
*No excuse for participating in those segments of the operation
*Revocation of Peace Officer Certification is in order
*Pathetic
*Shameless
*Storm Troopers
*Pisses me off
*Chaps my *
*Indicative of the steady degradation of the Constitution
*Charges should be filed
*Nothing will happen to sanction them, or their agencies
*Many will see no particular problem with their actions
I could go on, but why bother.
[:(!][:(!][V]
Our freedom is not just based on whether we can own guns, protect ourselves, stand up to the govt. storm troopers etc. Our freedom is based on the open communication of ideas, facts, events etc. that make it impossible for the government to really control the people.
The internet is makes it impossible for the govt. and the big media organizations to censor the truth. We should applaud the use of the internet to spread the truth. Those with differing viewpoints will find that the internet offers multiple perspectives on almost every issue.
A few bullet points from this Peace Officers perspective:
Read the words above in red..(I made them red for a purpose).
There is a VAST difference between a Peace Officer...and a Law Enforcement Officer.
One has my utmost respect..the other I hold in contempt.
One merely enforces laws..without question,without reservation..and will do so when its time to kick in doors to collect guns from honest citizens.
Respect and honor your Peace Officers.
The other man...Peace Officer....AMERICAN..will be with OTHER Americans when the crunch comes.
Let's see....
Entered an occupied private residence without a warrant and without permission, where no crime was committed or reported, asked to leave by the legal resident, refused to leave, used force to remove a legally owned and possessed firearm from the legal resident in her own home......Hmmmm
Entered other private residences without permission or warrant, which may have been occupied by lawful residents who could have been/should have been armed for self protection, entered in a manner likely to result in deadly force if the resident was there, all this with no specific crime reported at said locations.....Hmmm
Seized (AKA stole)lawfully owned firearms by force, from a number of legal residents who were armed for self protection, or defense of their property.....Hmmm
A few bullet points from this Peace Officers perspective:
*Blatently unconstitutional
*No excuse for participating in those segments of the operation
*Revocation of Peace Officer Certification is in order
*Pathetic
*Shameless
*Storm Troopers
*Pisses me off
*Chaps my *
*Indicative of the steady degradation of the Constitution
*Charges should be filed
*Nothing will happen to sanction them, or their agencies
*Many will see no particular problem with their actions
I could go on, but why bother.
[:(!][:(!][V]
This is the way I feel about the situation, we know they were wrong, and we know there are bad cops.
But again, what's your beef. I still think police officers are looked down upon way too much, and don't get nearly enough credit for the job they do.
And this is from someone living with the LAPD and has had numerous horrible encounters with them, and almost no good ones. However, I still know there are good ones out there, and I wish they would get more credit.
Keep your Powder dry and your Musket well oiled.
NRA Lifetime Benefactor Member.
Anybody that does not have a problem with the New Orleans terrorism needs to find a new home in Cuba or China where that stuff is acceptable. Too many Americans fought and died for the Liberty we are supposed to enjoy.
A group of police officers and National Guard troops knocked on a little old lady's door. She came to the door and asked them to leave. They asked if they could come in. She said "No" and asked them again to leave her property. They forced their way in. She demanded that they leave her property. They told her she had to surrender her firearms and evacuate. She said "No" and demanded again that they leave her property. They tackled the little old lady and forcibly took her firearm. They picked her up and carried her to a boat, dumped her in and hauled her away.
I wondered at the time why there was no nationwide uproar about that, but there never was. I uproared a little bit, but nobody noticed.
My fat, wet *!!
quote:Originally posted by lt496
Let's see....
Entered an occupied private residence without a warrant and without permission, where no crime was committed or reported, asked to leave by the legal resident, refused to leave, used force to remove a legally owned and possessed firearm from the legal resident in her own home......Hmmmm
Entered other private residences without permission or warrant, which may have been occupied by lawful residents who could have been/should have been armed for self protection, entered in a manner likely to result in deadly force if the resident was there, all this with no specific crime reported at said locations.....Hmmm
Seized (AKA stole)lawfully owned firearms by force, from a number of legal residents who were armed for self protection, or defense of their property.....Hmmm
A few bullet points from this Peace Officers perspective:
*Blatently unconstitutional
*No excuse for participating in those segments of the operation
*Revocation of Peace Officer Certification is in order
*Pathetic
*Shameless
*Storm Troopers
*Pisses me off
*Chaps my *
*Indicative of the steady degradation of the Constitution
*Charges should be filed
*Nothing will happen to sanction them, or their agencies
*Many will see no particular problem with their actions
I could go on, but why bother.
[:(!][:(!][V]
This is the way I feel about the situation, we know they were wrong, and we know there are bad cops.
But again, what's your beef. I still think police officers are looked down upon way too much, and don't get nearly enough credit for the job they do.
And this is from someone living with the LAPD and has had numerous horrible encounters with them, and almost no good ones. However, I still know there are good ones out there, and I wish they would get more credit.
Peace Officers/Cops do not do the job to get credit. If some do, they are in the wrong line of work.
Among the reasons that cops are looked down upon, are actions and behaviors like those listed. Of course there are good peace officers/cops, in fact I still believe we are a majority. Unfortunately the "law enforcement" mentality has been ingrained into many and it gets progressively worse yearly.
Some of those who wear a badge, like I do, would do well to pay attention to their "reason for being what they are", and to pay allegiance to their oath.
No excuses, no rationalizations. A citizen first, last and always. Period.
Those NO cops should have been decorated.
With tar or whitewash?
Until cops police their own and actively root out the nutjobs and corrupt officers, a broad brush will be used by the eye of the public.
The thin blue line with it's don't ask, don't tell brotherhood needs to be eliminated by the officers themselves. An impossible goal? No, but a very difficult one for sure.
It's really too bad that arrest numbers are considered good performance criteria. I should think a cop that never had to arrest or shoot anyone did a damn good job of being a "peace officer".
No police officer has ever extended recognition to me for being a law abiding citizen.
Im tired of hearing about how we need to extend recognition to police officers for doing a job they are getting paid to do, Thats what their pay is.
In the event that a police officer actually does assist me I will thank him and compliment him,
Im tired of the arguments that their job is tough especially under the circumstances. Well boohoo, my job is tough too but I do my job to the best of my abilities and the government takes more than half of the pay I receive to pay the police who so far have done nothing for me, but have done plenty to me.
The conduct by police and national guard on the film i saw linked to this thread was blatant Facisem and excedingly illegal.
Im am dissappointed that no citizen defended himself with deadly fource.
What happened to those who say "if they want my guns their going to have to pry them from my cold dead hands"
There isen't much freedom left in America.
No. Police officers are not responsible for individual safety but society as a whole. With that role they can not steal an individuals firearms, revoke Constitutional rights, or invade your home without a warrant, permission, or probable cause.
According to Louisiana law citizens private property can not be taken by law enforcement or the State without just compensation. Louisiana needs about 50,000 people to file court cases against the State for stealing their firearms. The National Guard and LEO's kept no log of firearms they stole from citizens.
I always thought California would be the first State to confiscate citizens firearms. I was wrong.
...so your this Huebl guy? Well, good for you and your good deeds!
The LEO's way overstepped the boundries in this case, and should suffer their just "rewards", FIRED. The Feds should come into this and investigate.
PS:
...you need a new pic on your site...the one posted makes you look like an actor from a bad B movie...[:D]
Defender, quote:No, I don't handle light hauling since I'm busy helping people involved in self-defense shootings...
...so your this Huebl guy? Well, good for you and your good deeds!
The LEO's way overstepped the boundries in this case, and should suffer their just "rewards", FIRED. The Feds should come into this and investigate.
PS:
...you need a new pic on your site...the one posted makes you look like an actor from a bad B movie...[:D]
Over 1500 post in just four months. You beat Babybear's record, bless her little troll heart.
Back to your post,
actually, while fired is good, arrested and tried would be better.