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Last Word On The Book Deal

whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
edited November 2002 in General Discussion
I am going to close the book issue. I was inspired to write; there was no deal with anyone and I never said there was. Only after I'd finished the first book, and a couple folks chosen at random from this board had read it, did I think to pursue an agent and even think about getting published. I discovered it is very difficult to break into the publishing world. But if I'm nothing else, I'm blessed. An agent came to me and she promised to do her best to get me recognized. Should that happen, fine, and if not, that's fine as well.

My compadres here on the board will not think one iota less of me should they not see me published, in a year or three or ten. Most seem to enjoy the occasional snippet and I will post them from time to time. Some are ambivalent about them and that's fine. And a few are antagonistic and that's okay too, I don't seek their approval; I don't need it, especially from an 18 year old school boy.

T-bolt and bullz and their ilk are as significant as the phosphor dots that make us aware they are out there somewhere and they are just as easily eliminated----and rightly so.

Clouder..

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    airborneairborne Member Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Keep the snippets coming, would not call it quits, confident it's dificult to make a name for yourself, hopefully the agent you referenced will prove helpful and make you famous.

    B - BreatheR - RelaxA - AimS - SightS - Squeeze
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    Jungle JimJungle Jim Member Posts: 264
    edited November -1
    Clouder,

    As a fellow writer I know about the roller coaster rides of publishing. Your creations become like "children" with all the effort required.

    I am not a novel writer or publisher, so I don't feel qualified to critique your creations but I will say that I think you have the gift - that's something no one can teach you, and I hope that you seriously pursue a career in writing.

    Years ago when I started songwriting, several so called experts told me I wouldn't make it. I did, in spite of them and you will too.

    Good luck, my friend -

    Jim
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    IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Clouder, slightly different field, but true story.

    I had a fraternity brother who majored in Radio-TV-MotionPictures. He dreamed of becoming a Hollywood writer. His junior year, he took a required course in creative writing. The prof told him he was terrible, that he should change his major. It was too late for him to change the major, so he finished it, much discouraged. Drifted around for a while as a lounge pianist for a while and found himself in Hollywood where he obtained a job on the censor board (this was in the 70s). Reading through the submitted scripts by established talents(?), he realized he could do much better. Today, he has been the head writer for at least six quality series which lasted several seasons - in fact he was the head writer for three of them at once!

    If you have talent and desire, you will succeed. The naysayers will always be there. Unless your ego overpowers your common sense, *you* know whether what you write is good or not. Follow you dream and good luck.
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    4000fps4000fps Member Posts: 786 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would still like to read it. If you ever have any printed up, I would surely pay for the expence.
    A friend of mine wrote a book on what he thought OUR next revolution was going to be like. Worked on it for about 5 years. No luck with publishing but was still a good reader.

    Ron
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    offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    clouder --
    I only know screenplay agents. And I seldom have the perseverence to read anything longer than a gun article anymore. Nevertheless, if what you wrote might make a good movie??
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    whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    offeror:

    Now that you mention it, my agent is affiliated with The Hardy Agency. I know about them only what I read at her wedsite. They did the movie "Pay It Forward". She sees a potential screenplay in the second book with the first used as back story and the third condensed for a conclusion. Maybe even a mini-series for TV which she says is easier to sell than a movie. She said to always write with such a possibility in mind. It detracts nothing from the literary effort and it's another good source of revenue to finance more writing. Long-shot dreams but they cost no more to have than the short-sighted ones, right?

    Clouder..

    Edited the movie title, 'the law' pointed out it was wrong.




    Edited by - whiteclouder on 12/01/2002 14:14:59
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    NighthawkNighthawk Member Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Clouder,I dont mean to but in,but your the only one who can decide what you can do.All the famous actors Im sure at one point or another were told they would never be nothing,now look at them.I dont know much about this topic but give it your all,and remember your friends when you hit the Jackpot.Good luck

    Best!!!

    Rugster


    Toujours Pret
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    groundhog devastationgroundhog devastation Member Posts: 4,495
    edited November -1
    whiteclouder, Don't give up on your dream!! Keep on writing!! I loved the snippets and would buy this stuff in a minute! And yes t-bolt, I know a little about writing athough it's been a while since I had to do it! What I know about it is that if I enjoy reading it then I don't give a fat rat's behind whether it was absolutely structurely correct grammer wise!! GHD
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    The LawThe Law Member Posts: 2,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    ...I remember a movie called "Pay it Forward", was "Play it Forward" some kinda porn flick?...SP your a real "Gomer"...

    "Don't mistake my honesty for weakness...
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    The LawThe Law Member Posts: 2,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    ..Son(SP), The least you could have done was thanked me for helping to correct your mistake..you little editor you!...

    "Don't mistake my honesty for weakness...
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    faldumfaldum Member Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Whiteclouder:
    Best wishes on your endeavors..
    Faldum
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    sodbustersodbuster Member Posts: 2,305 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    whiteclouder:
    Thank-You for sharing your book writing experiences with us. Please continue to keep us informed on the progress. I hope the positive responses outweigh the negative ones. When Hannady and Colmes have ya on their show during your book tour, don't forget to mention all of us folks on G.B.,,sod

    "If a Man Speaks in The Middle of the Forest & There is No Woman Around to Hear him, Is He Still Wrong??"
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    varmit huntervarmit hunter Member Posts: 1,674 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Clouder, Give them damn book people our .com. We will tell them what we wont to read. You got folks with money in hand What more do they need?.

    The most important things, Are not things.
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    Short TraderShort Trader Member Posts: 718 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm not a writer. I hated english class. But I am a reader, and I know what I like to read. If your books are published, I will buy them based on the excerpts you posted here. I'd like to buy autographed copies if that is possible, just because you're the first author I've ever 'known' of something that I will read.

    Thanks for sharing.

    Buy low, short high...
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    whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Looks like the 'ayes' have it t-bolt/bullz, sorry.

    To the rest:
    Thanks a lot for the support guys. The reward is knowing someone else takes pleasure from reading what I've written. The first book goes to the editor this week. Then I do another re-write based on her critique and let her have another look. All things being equal, the agent can then start shopping it around.

    As promised, signed copies to everyone on this board that wants one. Don't know yet how that will be arranged but we will get 'er done.

    Clouder..
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    timberbeasttimberbeast Member Posts: 1,738 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Been there and lost, 'Clouder, (so far!)
    I hope you win, you merit it. Next up for me is a biography of a once-hot band who still play shows, I'm meeting with them on the twentieth of this month. Should get a few thousand desktop-published copies sold via their website, hell, maybe that's a step. It will be enjoyable, regardless, if the boys agree to it. BTW, that dude who was lost in the swamp has made it out, but he lost his point somewhere along the line. Shoulda left it alone, maybe later...and wiser?? Hmm..........
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    idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Being told that you won't amount to anything in the fields that you pursue is common. I didn't cut it past my second year at West Point due to my inadequacies in the Calculus department. I chose to enlist and made E-6 in less than 5 years. You just have to say "screw the critics" and move forward. I don't have any credentials that would legitimize any sort of constructive praise or criticism for what you have posted here but I do know that I like what I have read and look forward to more of your writings. I'm not going to take sides in the Bullzeye/Whitetclouder/T-bolt argument but I would like to encourage you to keep doing what it is that makes you feel passionate. You can't take medals and Pulitzer prizes with you to the grave but you can look back on your life when you are on your death bed and feel fulfilled if your labors bring you satisfaction.
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    whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    T-beast:

    My character is a lot like your Neil. Society in general had let Simon down and right now (page 189) he's discovering that abandoning it altogether is not a workable solution. And what is? We'll see what he has to say in the next 200 pages. Neil was destined to perish but maybe that was a choice as well.

    Clouder..
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    whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Idsman75:

    While attending basic training, I worked in the issue shed as a slick sleeve recruit. There was a three-striper supervising; unhappy, sick of the service and about forty years old. You get what I mean. I was expounding on the great opportunities offered by the service, the great chow, my own bed, and more clothes than I'd seen in my life. He listened for awhile and then said, "I can tell by lookin' at ya, ya ain't gonna amount to nothin." I was insulted, hurt, flabbergasted, and dumbstruck in one sweeping wave of emotion. And I resolved right then and there to succeed in the military. And I did.
    Clouder..




    Edited by - nunn on 12/03/2002 18:40:55
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    salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Friend of mine is an Oboist, who when he was twenty years old, was playing in an orchestra down in Florida. The orchestra folded, and he did not know what he was going to do with his life. He decided to audition for the best Music conservatory in the country, which is located in Philadelphia. The teacher was far from impressed with his playing, and let my friend know, that he had a horrible sound, his technique was bad, and was probably too old to learn the things that are obviously missing from his technique.He told him his playing was like Picasso painting with a broomstick The kid was devestated!!One of the best oboe players in the world told him that he sucked.
    He had an audition for the Metropolitan Opera Orchestra, the highest paying orchestra in the country-a week after his school audition-he was really bent out of shape by the remarks of the pr@#$, but decided he should do the audition anyway, cause when you sign up for an audition and not show up, it looks bad.
    Well, he got the principal job of the Metropolitan Orchestra at 20 years old, and beat out 20 students of the teacher who said unkind things(along with about 200 other people who auditioned). My friend immediately sent the a-hole teacher a broomstick.
    It getsd better-this year, the kid, who is now 26, decided to he no longer enjoyed playing at the met, and decided to take an audition with the Orchestra(one of the best in the country), that this jerk from the past also played in. The jerk played second chair, and my friend was auditioning for the first seat. THe way orchestral auditions work for woodwinds, is the entire section of the instrument being auditioned, plus all the principle winds, listen to the auditions. Well, everyone was blown away by his playing, except for the pr!@#. He lobbied hard not to have this guy win the job, but everyone else wanted him-so now he is 1st chair, which means essentially, he is now the boss of the pr!@#.

    "Sometimes the people have to give up some individual rights for the safety of society."
    -Bill Clinton(MTV interview)
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    Jungle JimJungle Jim Member Posts: 264
    edited November -1
    Good for him, Salzo!

    I love hearing stories like that; too many times in the music business there are people that think they're better than God, and they tromp on the new guys.

    I had a so called expert agent in Texas tell me once that I'd never make it in the business, my songs were bad, my voice was worse -- and he supposedly "had a direct line to Nashville" in his home. (where we were). I told him "if what you say is true, why do you live in a dump and I drive a Cadillac?" Afterwards, I was so upset that I threw my songs out the window on the highway, and nearly gave up. I didn't, moved to Nashville and 5 years later won several awards. On a visit to Texas, I ran into him, and he said "I always knew you'd make it" and tried to shake my hand. (I refused). In front of about 20 people I said "No, you said I wouldn't make it, which made me make it; and I made it in spite of you!" I also told these people about his "direct line to Nashville" and made them aware that no one of any importance in the business knew who he was. He slunk away and hasn't been heard from since.





    Edited by - Jungle Jim on 12/02/2002 17:40:45
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    Harleeman1030Harleeman1030 Member Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    LAST WORD let's just all drop it like gentlemen huh ??

    NRA MEMBER
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    idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:
    Have you been smoking crack, LIK?


    Did somebody say "crack"?
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    twinstwins Member Posts: 647 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:As promised, signed copies to everyone on this board that wants one. Don't know yet how that will be arranged but we will get 'er done.

    Clouder..


    Clouder,

    I would be more than happy to take a set off your hands and pay for them too.

    twins
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    5db5db Member Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Clouder, I was wondering what the situation was with your writing efforts. Now I know. If you have an agent courting you as described, that sure seems promising. I have heard tell that publishers like to see more than one sample of your work before getting too interested in publishing. This apparently is based on what has been witnessed here, you post a snippet, folks like it and want more. It appears you have this covered as well. I wish you the best of luck.



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