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Ever spanked (for discipline) in School?
Ramtinxxl
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The Daily Orange - News
Issue: 1/25/05
LeMoyne expels man over paper
By Brian Hecht
While students are guaranteed the freedom of speech, LeMoyne College's recent actions against a student have raised questions of whether or not academic papers are the place to exercise this right.
LeMoyne College expelled Scott McConnell, a student from its Masters of Education program, for writing a paper in which he advocated the use of corporal punishment in schools, he said.
The paper, written for a class on classroom management, originally earned McConnell an A-. However, when he attempted to enroll in classes for the spring semester, he found he couldn't.
"LeMoyne doesn't believe students should be able to express their own views," McConnell said. "If you differ from our philosophical ideal you will be expelled from our college."
McConnell, who hopes to become an elementary school teacher, was informed last Tuesday that he couldn't continue at the school.
"LeMoyne has handled the situation poorly," he said.
McConnell was raised in Oklahoma, where corporal punishment was used when he was a student, he said. In the fourth grade he was paddled by a teacher for being unruly.
"It worked. I never talked out of turn again," he said.
The issues that this case raises are very complicated, said Joseph Shedd, chair of the teaching and leadership programs in Syracuse University's School of Education.
It is about more than just a student's right to express their own opinions, he said.
"There is no clean dividing line between a person's opinions and his or her ability to make responsible professional judgments," Shedd said in an e-mail.
He pointed to change in socially acceptable behavior over time to illustrate that standards change. America has evolved from a society in which different genders and different races have been viewed as having different academic ability, Shedd said.
"SU's teacher preparation faculty - and, I suspect, LeMoyne's - will defend any student's right to assert any position, so long as he or she demonstrates an openness to different points of view and a commitment to and respect for every one of the children he or she teaches," Shedd said.
It would set a bad precedent if students could be expelled for their beliefs, said Joe McManus, a junior engineering major.
"I think you should be able to say whatever you want, so long as he doesn't touch anyone," McManus said. "Whether or not corporal punishment is OK depends on where you grew up. You should not be penalized for thinking something."
"I wanted to go to school and LeMoyne has taken that chance from me," McConnell said. He is currently in the process of applying to programs at other schools in New York.
http://www.dailyorange.com/news/2005/01/25/News/Lemoyne.Expels.Man.Over.Paper-840196.shtml
Issue: 1/25/05
LeMoyne expels man over paper
By Brian Hecht
While students are guaranteed the freedom of speech, LeMoyne College's recent actions against a student have raised questions of whether or not academic papers are the place to exercise this right.
LeMoyne College expelled Scott McConnell, a student from its Masters of Education program, for writing a paper in which he advocated the use of corporal punishment in schools, he said.
The paper, written for a class on classroom management, originally earned McConnell an A-. However, when he attempted to enroll in classes for the spring semester, he found he couldn't.
"LeMoyne doesn't believe students should be able to express their own views," McConnell said. "If you differ from our philosophical ideal you will be expelled from our college."
McConnell, who hopes to become an elementary school teacher, was informed last Tuesday that he couldn't continue at the school.
"LeMoyne has handled the situation poorly," he said.
McConnell was raised in Oklahoma, where corporal punishment was used when he was a student, he said. In the fourth grade he was paddled by a teacher for being unruly.
"It worked. I never talked out of turn again," he said.
The issues that this case raises are very complicated, said Joseph Shedd, chair of the teaching and leadership programs in Syracuse University's School of Education.
It is about more than just a student's right to express their own opinions, he said.
"There is no clean dividing line between a person's opinions and his or her ability to make responsible professional judgments," Shedd said in an e-mail.
He pointed to change in socially acceptable behavior over time to illustrate that standards change. America has evolved from a society in which different genders and different races have been viewed as having different academic ability, Shedd said.
"SU's teacher preparation faculty - and, I suspect, LeMoyne's - will defend any student's right to assert any position, so long as he or she demonstrates an openness to different points of view and a commitment to and respect for every one of the children he or she teaches," Shedd said.
It would set a bad precedent if students could be expelled for their beliefs, said Joe McManus, a junior engineering major.
"I think you should be able to say whatever you want, so long as he doesn't touch anyone," McManus said. "Whether or not corporal punishment is OK depends on where you grew up. You should not be penalized for thinking something."
"I wanted to go to school and LeMoyne has taken that chance from me," McConnell said. He is currently in the process of applying to programs at other schools in New York.
http://www.dailyorange.com/news/2005/01/25/News/Lemoyne.Expels.Man.Over.Paper-840196.shtml
Comments
The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If they're okay, then it's you.
Rita Mae Brown
"There is no clean dividing line between a person's opinions and his or her ability to make responsible professional judgments," Shedd said in an e-mail.
I guess if I write a paper on murder, I'm going to prison.
What idiots.
MOLON LABE!
An evil tree bears evil fruit. You can destroy as much fruit as you want, but it will always grow back, and it will always be evil.
Tear the tree out of the ground by the roots and burn it. Burn it to ash and grind out the embers with your boot until there's nothing left. Not a single spark. Not a single seed.
On report card day you got one "spat" for every academic C, two for a C, and three for a D.
Then the coaches would look at your marks in conduct. One for a B, two for a C and three for a D.
Some poor ba$tards would have ten or twelve spats coming. Needless to say, report card day was nerve racking. And those dudes HIT! I got three spats one day by the coach and my butt was BLACK.
If they did today what they did to us then, not only would they be sued in civil court, but I am sure there would be criminal charges.
Boy have times changed. I think they should do it still!
Mateomasfeo
"I am what I am!" - Popeye
cody
"Know the true value of time; snatch, seize, and enjoy every moment of it." Lord Chesterfield
MOLON LABE!
An evil tree bears evil fruit. You can destroy as much fruit as you want, but it will always grow back, and it will always be evil.
Tear the tree out of the ground by the roots and burn it. Burn it to ash and grind out the embers with your boot until there's nothing left. Not a single spark. Not a single seed.
... one time i running in the hall and the principal told me to slow down. i did and when i got closer to him, he punched me in the jaw. one teacher hit my sister on the top of the head with a stack of books and she bit her tongue open. the reason he hit her he said was because she was the closest one to him...
cody
Obviously, these were clear-cut cases of ABUSE and should have resulted in the ADULTS being disciplined. No one is EVER authorized to punch or otherwise hit children on the face or head. As I was taught, God made a perfect place for corporal punishment--those two soft, padded parts on the backside--and even THOSE parts weren't designed for torture or abuse.
I had my share of paddlings when in school and, like someone else said, it usually meant another round when I got home. Yeah, I still claim that one or two were undeserved, but all in all, I'm no worse for the wear.
My real point in posting this was not so much the issue of corporal punishment, although that's what the thread implies and is certainly worthy of discussion, but I was APPALLED that a college would expell someone for expressing their philosophy in a term paper.
Has "Big Brother" been crowned already?
Air goes in and out, blood goes round and round, any variation on this is a bad thing.
Turret mounted machine guns usually work better than lights and sirens
Swift and severe action for infractions that let you know bad behavior wouldn't be tolerated. What a concept!!
Of course, in todays world........
"We become what we habitually do. If we act rightly, we become upright men. If we habitually act wrongly, or weakly, we become weak and corrupt" - *ARISTOTLE*
**Like Grandad used to say--"It'll feel better when it quits hurtin"
OH yea, I think it should still be allowed.
The problem is parents dont/wont/cant discipline there own kids,it shouldnt be left up to a total stranger to do it.
Ohio
Constitution,Artical 1,Section 4
shane
"Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for." -- Will Rogers
My friend is one... who takes me for what I am.
Henry David Thoreau
2-barrel
My senior year, the shop teacher got fired for "paddleing" a student that should have gotten worse.
the voices in my head don't scare me. it's only when they stop that i get a little nervous.
If god meant for us to talk more than we listened he'd have given us one ear and two mouths- Vince Lombardi
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If you goofed off in a young female teacher's class, you might think you got away with something. All she had to do was go tell Coach Raines or Coach Braswell, and you were going to get it.
I got paddled 8 or 10 times and deserved it every time.
We had discipline in the schools, and you could get a good education.
In junior high and high school the asst principals had this task and they used some impressive boards. On most cases the asst principal was also the football coach. In high school the assistant football coaches had the role of roaming the aises looking for students put our of the class by the teachers. Many times I was one of the unfortunate souls that would need an attitude adjustment. My football coach caught me several times outside the classroom and would ask "you gonna make practice today?" I would say yes and then he would tell me to grab a locker and get me back into the classroom by smacking me several times with his baseball bat that was planed with holes drilled into it.
I had several occasions were I got "licks" in school and my mother would be called to the school. She got ahold of me when I got home but wouldn't tell my father until he finished dinner, then he would take off his belt and whup me in a circle by holding my arm. She knew if he whupped me before dinner, he'd kill me.
Spanking is a good character builder
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them." - John Wayne
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I was humiliated but, never needed it again.
Phil
I learn something new everyday.
JESUS
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS
"Nothing can ever be made 'idiot proof' because idiots are simply too clever"!
Mark T. Christian
If more kids had their * slapped in school(and at home)there wouldn't be nearly as many problems in this country today.
This is so true
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them." - John Wayne
The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If they're okay, then it's you.
Rita Mae Brown
Our school was in a low social-economic area ... many tough gang types. George kept the 'paddling' down to a minimum by using 'his secret technique!'
Usually on the first couple of days of school he'd wait for the biggest, toughest, meanest bully in the school to misbehave.
In full view of all of his friends/peers he'd invite him to his office for two swats!
That would usually elicit a chuckle or two since three swats was the
usual transaction of the day.
George would usually point to me to accompany him to his office - as an adult witness.
Once there, he'd tell the offender to lean on his desk with butt extended out behind him (obviously).
George would ask the bully if he wanted the 'soft one' first or the 'hard one' first.
The kid would always ask for the 'soft one' first!
George would say, "OK."
Then he would put every ounce into it and literally go up off the floor with all 290 lbs behind it and hit the kid's butt with what sounded like a baseball bat hitting a watermelon! It was always poetry in motion! George used to play ball with the Detroit Lions before going into teaching.
The kid would always open his mouth to scream and nothing would come out - eyes bulged out to where I swear they kissed the wall in front of him!
George would calmly say, "OK, that was the easy one ... if I EVER SEE YOU IN HERE AGAIN I'll give you a couple of hard ones!"
LOL
Then George would handhold the kid back out to his pals - tears still streaming down his cheeks like Niagra Falls!
Didn't ever see one of those 'special bully kids', ever, in his office twice! NOR did any of his fellow bullies show up in his office for the rest of the school year, either.
George always said it was best to teach ... by example. LOL Those boys were quick learners, too! His 'examples' were ... memorable!