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Tough Question for you all...

steeltoe1978steeltoe1978 Member Posts: 3,248
edited June 2004 in General Discussion
Ok, if you go to the sporting goods store and buy a .410 double barrel shotgun and saw off the stock and cut down the barrel so that the whole thing has an OVERALL length of 14", it's illegal right?

Well then explain the difference between that and this (upper left corner):

http://www.gunsnstuff.net/FAC/012.asp

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  • borderguyborderguy Member Posts: 387 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It's a Pistol, not a Rifle.
  • steeltoe1978steeltoe1978 Member Posts: 3,248
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by borderguy
    It's a Pistol, not a Rifle.




    So if they call it a rifle it's illegal and if they call it a pistol it's not? If you followed my steps above you would get something that looks almost exactly like what is for sale here. By the way, I'm just trying to point out how stupid laws are... which most of us agree.
  • benzappedbenzapped Member Posts: 328 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You can cut the .410 down if you want. But the barrels can't be under 18" and the overall length has to be at least 26". If it does not meet those two minimum dimensions it is an illegal shotgun.
  • 925925 Member Posts: 441 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    rifled barrel makes it a 45lc pistol
  • steeltoe1978steeltoe1978 Member Posts: 3,248
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by benzapped
    You can cut the .410 down if you want. But the barrels can't be under 18" and the overall length has to be at least 26". If it does not meet those two minimum dimensions it is an illegal shotgun.


    That's my point! This thing for sale is only ***14 inches*** overall length.
  • timbromantimbroman Member Posts: 1,164
    edited November -1
    Steeltoe - You are absolutely right - obviously not a lot of intelligence required to enact gun legislation of any kind. Take it a step further than these double-barrel .45/.410 rigs and find that shotshells are available in most handgun calibers resulting in more shotshell rounds in your handgun than your A-5 or Model 12. When your .357 fires shotshells, is it not a shotgun? Hmmm. Brings to mind the old saw about brilliance and bullslime, and I think we can agree there's often more bullslime than brilliance involved in gun law.

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  • steeltoe1978steeltoe1978 Member Posts: 3,248
    edited November -1
    Very well said Timbroman.
  • pickenuppickenup Member, Moderator Posts: 22,393 ******
    edited November -1
    The difference is one is "manufactured" AS a pistol to begin with. Legal.
    The other has to be "altered" to the size you are referring to. Not legal.
    The fact that you are "altering" it, is what is not legal.

    Make sense, NO the end result is the same. Just another stupid law.


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  • BOBBYWINSBOBBYWINS Member Posts: 7,810
    edited November -1
    925 nailed it.

    If the barrels are rifled,which they are on the gun in the add,it is legal at any length and is considered to be a pistol.If they're not rifled,then it's a shotgun and the bbl.length can't be less than 18" and overall length is a minimum of 26".

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  • steeltoe1978steeltoe1978 Member Posts: 3,248
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by BOBBYWINS
    925 nailed it.

    If the barrels are rifled,which they are on the gun in the add,it is legal at any length and is considered to be a pistol.

    So what you're saying is that all rifles are actually pistols since they have rifled barrels?! If that's the case, then why can't you buy a Ruger 10/22 and chop it down to the size of a Ruger Mark II pistol. After all, they both have rifled barrels...(see where I'm going with this... this is why gun laws don't really make any sense!!) [xx(]
  • bigtirebigtire Member Posts: 24,800
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by steeltoe1978
    quote:Originally posted by BOBBYWINS
    925 nailed it.

    If the barrels are rifled,which they are on the gun in the add,it is legal at any length and is considered to be a pistol.

    So what you're saying is that all rifles are actually pistols since they have rifled barrels?! If that's the case, then why can't you buy a Ruger 10/22 and chop it down to the size of a Ruger Mark II pistol. After all, they both have rifled barrels...(see where I'm going with this... this is why gun laws don't really make any sense!!) [xx(]


    As stupid as the laws are, You cannot convert a rifle into a pistol.

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  • drobsdrobs Member Posts: 21,915 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    There's also a weight factor, I'm not sure what it is though.

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  • CHGOTHNDERCHGOTHNDER Member Posts: 9,681
    edited November -1
    Final answer, Why buy the shotgun if all you want to do is cut it down and piss off the gov. Instead buy a .45LC and shoot both from a shortty barrel. Again Why piss off the Gov.

    PJ

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  • drobsdrobs Member Posts: 21,915 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Better question, why would you buy a cheap piece of crapp like that?

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  • dakotashooter2dakotashooter2 Member Posts: 6,186
    edited November -1
    The laws are difinetly twisted. You have to look at this one backwards. As I understand it in order to discount it from being a shotgun it must 1) have a rifled barrel (length is of no consequence at this point as it only determines if it a legal or illegal shotgun), and 2) be capable of chambering a cartridge.If a rifled barrel was the only criterian don't you think we would see some 20 and 12 ga "pistols" on the market. once it is determined it is NOT a shotgun,stock and barrel length determine whether it is a rifle or pistol. While the gun shown is listed and advertized as a 410 pistol it likely has a rifled barrel and someone had to demonstrate that the 410 capability was a "secondary" use. In other words it is most likely registered as a .45 caliber handgun. It is no different than TC,s appropriately titled 45/410 barrel. In addition if the barrel is shorter that 16" it had to be "designed" as a pistol so even if your off the shelf DB 410 had rifled barrels it could not be cut down below 16" and be legal. Essentially these guns are one of the feared loopholes the anti's talk about so freely.
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