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North Korea declares end to truce with southern neighbor
Gro?ansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Kim Jong Il has declared an end to the Korean War armisticeNorth Korea has warned South Korea that its decision to join a US-led anti-proliferation campaign is tantamount to a declaration of war, freeing it from the Korean War armistice.
In a statement released by the official Korean Central News Agency (KCNA), North Korea said it no longer felt bound by the Korean War armistice and that anyone who provoked it would "face unimaginable merciless punishment."
The statement added that the regime of Kim Jong Il could no longer guarantee the safety of US and South Korean ships off its western coast.
The hard-line announcement came in response to Seoul's decision to join the Proliferation Security Initiative (PSI), which provides for the searching of ships thought to be carrying any part of weapons of mass destruction.
South Korea became a full member of the PSI on Tuesday after North Korea conducted a second internationally condemned nuclear test Monday, considerably more powerful than its first test almost three years ago, and also fired several short-range missiles.
But the North made it clear in its statement that it would not tolerate the stopping and searching of its ships. Anyone attempting to do so, it said, would face an "immediate and strong military strike."
International response
Bildunterschrift: Gro?ansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Many are hoping the UN Security Council will pass a tough resolution against North KoreaThe five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council plus South Korea and Japan met behind closed doors on Tuesday night for talks on a possible new resolution following this latest nuclear test.
The Russian ambassador, Vitaly Churkin, who currently holds the rotating council presidency, said Russia planned to support a tough resolution. He said the group was looking at different points of view and a variety of suggestions, but that it was too early to talk about them.
Speaking after the meeting, US ambassador to the UN Susan Rice said "I think we are off to a good start," but added that the meeting was just the first step.
tw/dpa/AFP
Editor: Robert Mudge
Wonder what China thinks about this?
Gro?ansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Kim Jong Il has declared an end to the Korean War armisticeNorth Korea has warned South Korea that its decision to join a US-led anti-proliferation campaign is tantamount to a declaration of war, freeing it from the Korean War armistice.
In a statement released by the official Korean Central News Agency (KCNA), North Korea said it no longer felt bound by the Korean War armistice and that anyone who provoked it would "face unimaginable merciless punishment."
The statement added that the regime of Kim Jong Il could no longer guarantee the safety of US and South Korean ships off its western coast.
The hard-line announcement came in response to Seoul's decision to join the Proliferation Security Initiative (PSI), which provides for the searching of ships thought to be carrying any part of weapons of mass destruction.
South Korea became a full member of the PSI on Tuesday after North Korea conducted a second internationally condemned nuclear test Monday, considerably more powerful than its first test almost three years ago, and also fired several short-range missiles.
But the North made it clear in its statement that it would not tolerate the stopping and searching of its ships. Anyone attempting to do so, it said, would face an "immediate and strong military strike."
International response
Bildunterschrift: Gro?ansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Many are hoping the UN Security Council will pass a tough resolution against North KoreaThe five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council plus South Korea and Japan met behind closed doors on Tuesday night for talks on a possible new resolution following this latest nuclear test.
The Russian ambassador, Vitaly Churkin, who currently holds the rotating council presidency, said Russia planned to support a tough resolution. He said the group was looking at different points of view and a variety of suggestions, but that it was too early to talk about them.
Speaking after the meeting, US ambassador to the UN Susan Rice said "I think we are off to a good start," but added that the meeting was just the first step.
tw/dpa/AFP
Editor: Robert Mudge
Wonder what China thinks about this?
Comments
If you can't feel the music; it's only pink noise!
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On the one hand, North Korea is a handy buffer zone between Manchuria and thousands of American troops. Even though we're not at war with China and are not likely to be, I know I'd want as much land between my borders and that many well-equipped and well-trained troops as possible if I were China.
On the other hand, however, North Korea is a drain on China's resources. North Korea provides nothing, takes everything, and is completely ungrateful for it. China has more to lose alienating South Korea than North Korea.
Here's hoping China loses its patience with Kim and decides that they have enough soldiers to roll over North Korea and put an end to all of this drama.
http://www.kcna.co.jp/index-e.htm
Pyongyang, September 12 (KCNA) -- Kim Jong Il, General Secretary of the Workers' Party of Korea, Chairman of the DPRK National Defence Commission and supreme commander of the Korean People's Army, Tuesday inspected KPA units nos. 821 and 368 and goat and rabbit farms of KPA unit no. 757. First he went to KPA unit no. 821.
Feasting his eyes on the vast defence theatre from a forward command post, he learned in detail about topographical conditions, the deployment of forces and the unit' s performance of its duties and set forth highly important tasks which would serve as a guideline in further increasing the combat capability of the unit.
He then moved on to the soldiers' hall to learn about details of revolutionary education and class education at the unit and cultural entertainment for the soldiers.
Looking round cultural, educational and logistic facilities including an education room, a bedroom and a kitchen, he looked after soldiers' living with warm paternal love.
He met with soldiers to examine in detail their uniforms from their color to shoes. He then enjoyed an art performance given by soldiers of a company under the unit.
He gave its servicemen a pair of binoculars and an automatic rifle as gifts and posed for a photograph with them.
The next leg of his inspection was KPA unit no. 368.
Guided by the unit commander, he went to the soldiers' hall where he saw the records showing the proud path covered by the unit and heard its brief history.
He highly praised the soldiers of the unit for displaying mass heroism and registering many achievements in the performance of their military duties and in sites of socialist construction.
He showed meticulous care for the soldiers' living, looking round several places including an education room and a bedroom.
He gave the unit an automatic rifle as a gift and had a photograph taken with its officers and men.
Kim Jong Il also inspected goat and rabbit farms of KPA unit no. 757.
He first went to the goat farm.
Looking round cosy production buildings and cultural and welfare establishments at the foot of a mountain, he learned in detail about its equipment and breeding conditions.
Underscoring the need to improve goat breeding and keep the equipment in full-capacity operation to supply soldiers with more goat milk and milk products, he set forth tasks to be fulfilled for the management and operation of the farm.
He then moved on to the rabbit farm.
He got familiar with details of production, going round a young rabbit house, a fattening house, a processing room, a feed preparation room and several other places of the farm.
Saying that if the party's policy to raise such grass-eating animals as goat and rabbit in a big way is implemented to the letter as done by this unit, it is possible to make people's living affluent in a short span of time, he called on all the units to actively follow its suit.
China really doesnt want to piss of Japan and N.Korea is pushing them into a corner.
N Korea declares war! Oh....uh...ah, hmmmm. So?
I would not be terribly surprised if China invaded NK and swept Kim Jong (mentally) Il from power. If ever there was a destabilizing force in the world that nut job is it.
I think the reality is that eventually there will be a nuclear war. If not NK or Iran then some other wacked out despot will want to try out his new toy on a perceived enemy and all Hell will break loose.
Besides our military being stretched more thin than at any time since the Vietnam war, they realize we now have a leader more susceptible to this sort of military blustering than at any time since the immediate post-Vietnam era.
Obama set himself up to be punked out since he began campaigning for office. His platform was to shout that he's on a mission to remove us from any sort of military conflict anywhere in the world, which only invites the sort of actions we're seeing from N. Korea.
Like it or not, from our standpoint it's good to have a leader that - at least in the back of their minds - other countries fear. This is precisely why we're so concerned with N. Korea. Their leader is unpredictable.
The world is a very rough and tumble place but our current leader has made the serious mistake of laying his cards on the table. He's made it clear that he will NOT have his own war and the N. Koreans are going to exploit this. Obama will talk, but they know that as long as they don't actually invade S. Korea there's no way he'll act militarily against them. The more they act as if they really might do it the more this President is going to do in order to appease them.
Many fail to consider their view is that we're still at war. They're going to achieve a measure of victory in it without firing a shot.
I don't expect they'll launch an invasion, but do expect a full court press from them and others to gain as much as possible during BO's time in office.
http://www.kcna.co.jp/index-e.htm
Pyongyang, May 26 (KCNA) -- The U.S. warlike forces are now contemplating forward-deploying two squadrons of F-22 in Japan and Guam after winding up the deployment of 30 land-based interceptor missiles targeted against the DPRK. Rodong Sinmun Tuesday observes in a signed commentary in this regard:
These moves lay bare the sinister and dangerous scenario of the U.S. to put the Asia-Pacific region under its military control.
The U.S. remains unchanged in its way of thinking and wild ambition that it can dominate the world only when it puts the above-said region under its control. The aim sought by the U.S. imperialists through the deployment of F-22s is to carry out its blitz strategy based on a surprise pre-emptive attack upon any target.
Recalling that the DPRK is the first target of their attack on the Asia-Pacific region, the commentary notes: The present U.S. administration is talking about what it called a "change" and "bilateral dialogue" but it is, in actuality, pursuing the same reckless policy as followed by the former Bush administration to stifle the DPRK by force of arms.
It goes on:
The DPRK has single-minded unity more powerful than nuclear weapons and invincible military capability unfathomable in its range and depth.
The U.S. moves to mount a pre-emptive attack on the DPRK are as foolish an attempt as taking oil to extinguish the fire.
The army and people of the DPRK are keeping themselves fully combat ready with a high degree of vigilance against the above-mentioned moves of the U.S. imperialists.
The U.S. would be well advised to halt at once its dangerous military moves against the DPRK if it wants to escape the lot of a tiger moth, bearing deep in mind that any attempt to make a pre-emptive attack on the DPRK is little short of inviting a disaster itself.
LoL!! that there is comical
I woud like to see the UN cut a deal with China, allow them to invade and take over N Korea in trade for Taiwan's freedom. It would solve many problems with a single, very short war.
Might not even need togo that far. Simply announce that the U.S. will aid Japan in building a Nuclear arsenal.
China has had bad experiences w/a militarized Japan. They won't like it. Then cut a deal w/China to make them control w/their puppet. Of course Obama won't do it.
quote:Originally posted by thermonuclear
I woud like to see the UN cut a deal with China, allow them to invade and take over N Korea in trade for Taiwan's freedom. It would solve many problems with a single, very short war.
Might not even need togo that far. Simply announce that the U.S. will aid Japan in building a Nuclear arsenal.
China has had bad experiences w/a militarized Japan. They won't like it. Then cut a deal w/China to make them control w/their puppet. Of course Obama won't do it.
...and if he does and it works? I dont give a hoot if you bash bush or obama.....but lets wait and see. His pay to play upbringing might make him a pretty good poker player.
Take the warhead out of a missle. Paint on its side "our missles work and hit what they are aimed at. Shut your pieholes or the next one will have a nuke on it, not a message." and drop it in the middle of Pyongyang.
One of the talk show guys came up with that, I think Mark Levine.
Of course the Messiah most merciful Lord Barack Obama would never do that. But wouldn't it be cool if we did.
Send a similar one to Tehran.
Our military has been at war since early 2002. It's now early 2009. That's 7 years of continuous combat.
Our equipment is breaking, and our soldiers are tired and torn.
We don't have the economy required to fix or replace our equipment.
We don't have the numbers in our military needed to conduct combat operations like we are.
The only way we could fight Iran or N. Korea, not to mention both, would be to re-institute the draft, just for the numbers.
We have soldiers who are on their 4th and 5th deployment. Most of them have been on 2 or 3. Yes, we have lots of combat experienced soldiers, and a lot of them are in leadership positions, but how battle fatigued are they? Our military needs a break from war so that we can repair, rearm, and regroup.
If they sent us to war right now against a fresh army like Iran or N. Korea (even though N. Korea is outdated, and underfed), it would be like having your starting offensive and defensive line-ups play a 5-quarter game of football, and then expect them to jump right into a new game against a fresh team as soon as the first game ended. It's not a "no-win" situation, but it's also not the smart thing to do if you want a fast resolution.
I honestly think that if the US Military was pressed into an engagement in Iran or N. Korea, there would be all-out mutiny. Look at this realistically, folks.
Our military has been at war since early 2002. It's now early 2009. That's 7 years of continuous combat.
Our equipment is breaking, and our soldiers are tired and torn.
We don't have the economy required to fix or replace our equipment.
We don't have the numbers in our military needed to conduct combat operations like we are.
The only way we could fight Iran or N. Korea, not to mention both, would be to re-institute the draft, just for the numbers.
We have soldiers who are on their 4th and 5th deployment. Most of them have been on 2 or 3. Yes, we have lots of combat experienced soldiers, and a lot of them are in leadership positions, but how battle fatigued are they? Our military needs a break from war so that we can repair, rearm, and regroup.
If they sent us to war right now against a fresh army like Iran or N. Korea (even though N. Korea is outdated, and underfed), it would be like having your starting offensive and defensive line-ups play a 5-quarter game of football, and then expect them to jump right into a new game against a fresh team as soon as the first game ended. It's not a "no-win" situation, but it's also not the smart thing to do if you want a fast resolution.
i have to agree.
If they just attacked South Korea and we had to go fight because of an attack on an Ally, a lot fewer people would get behind that.
If they fired one of those cruddy missles at us in an open attack...They won't have to actually launch, just threaten heavily. They know this better than the American public that's wringing it's hands.
It's a no-brainer that our fearless leader will cave and give whatever it takes to avoid open conflict.
Notice our military forces aren't panicking and rushing large forces to the area? We have massive intel resources in the area and N. Korea's forces clearly aren't setting up to attack anything. They're posturing.