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2nd ammendment use of the word "militia".

RickstirRickstir Member Posts: 574
edited May 2002 in General Discussion
I wish some of the so called experts would just relax when it comes to the use of the word militia in the 2nd ammendment. Let's look at it in the context in which the amendment was conceived.

There was a long, 7 years I think, war just concluded. The only thing that kept this country going in the early days of the conflict was the minutemen. Every day folk. Who answered the call. This war was waged against a government controlled army. And eventually the United States funded an Army. But it was the common folk who carried us through. They never forgot the power of that rifle hanging over the fireplace in so many homes.

Now our forefathers sit down to write the Constitution. Having just gone through this calamity, but remembering what kept them strong...the fact that the people themselves were armed. When our founders use the word "militia" it meant themselves. Plain and simple. The last thing they would profess would be the need for another government sponsored army. We already had one. The Continental Army, which they couldn't afford and would be downsized. The words pertain to the citizens right to keep and bare arms. To be at the ready to defend themselves and their homes. They didn't have the foggest notion about the meaning of a "national guard". I would not have wanted to go to these patriots and tell them to turn in their guns. I don't remember the government establishing a guard to live up the committment of the Constitution back in the 1700's. I don't think I have ever read of "buy back" of weapons back then either. The reason is, the 2nd ammendment was written for the people. The Constitution does not start off with "WE THE PEOPLE" for nothing.

[sound of me stepping off the soapbox]


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  • RugerNinerRugerNiner Member Posts: 12,636 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm going to say it like it is.

    The Right To Keep And Bear Arms is not only to protect ourselves from Foriegn Governments but to also protect us from our Own Government getting to strong and not respecting the rights of the People.

    And as Citizens we have done a terrible job of it, mostly by not voting and not letting our representitives know what we want.
    Instead, small self-serving groups have made their voice heard above those who disagree and kept Silent.

    Thats why we have lost some of the rights we once had.

    Just a small note. I have voted in every election since becoming of age.

    I should have posted this somewhere else, it really has nothing to do with the original post. I just got to thinking what has happened between now and then. All of a sudden my finger started typing.

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    Edited by - RugerNiner on 05/09/2002 17:26:04
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  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Rickstir....Well said....Good show!!!

    Mudge the appreciative

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  • will270winwill270win Member Posts: 4,845
    edited November -1
    Militia-An untrained army comprised of the citizens of a country. Untrained citizens? Sounds like many individuals to me otherwise they would be a regular army. If they all got together it would be for training then it wouldn't be a militia. Nuff said.

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  • gunpaqgunpaq Member Posts: 4,607 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Pennsylvania's militial, a million strong, trains annually during the first day of buck season. Pennsylvania's next governor, Ed Rendel, would like to see this militia to be well regulated by ammo taxes, magazine capacity limits, type of firearm and purchase restrictions, etc.

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  • S&W ManS&W Man Member Posts: 208 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Not only all that has been said, but our forefathers defined what the militia was to them in the constitution and original laws. It is comprised, at the federal level, of all ablebodied men between the age of 21 and 45. Many states have defined it farther. Here in Indiana the militia is comprised ofm EVERYONE, male and fe,ale, between the age of 18 abd 65.
    Makes one wonder what rock the people calling the guard the militia came from under.

    The second admendment GUARANTEES the other nine and the Constitution!
  • Evil ATFEvil ATF Member Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The National Guard is composed of soldiers that are trained on Federal land, issued Federal weapons, wear Federal uniforms, and are ultimately under the direct control of the President, not the state Governor.

    Militia my *...

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  • ADfreeADfree Member Posts: 188 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I could've sworn the age range started at 17.
  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    And, I might add, the word "militia" in the Amendment specifies the types of firearms which are protected. Note that the Amendment does not mention hunting or sporting purpose. Those latter notions are strictly the fabrications of gun controllers opining what kind of guns citizens supposedly "need" and "don't need." Never allow someone to get away with using the words "no hunting purpose" or "no sporting purpose" or "no purpose but to kill people" when trying to disallow a particular firearm -- by trying to ban all but the most non-military variety of firearms, they are trying to cut the heart out of the right guaranteed in this Amendment.

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  • v35v35 Member Posts: 12,710 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The State Guard before it was nationalized to become the National Guard might have been called the militia but that's history.
  • wipalawipala Member Posts: 11,067
    edited November -1
    Under federal law the miltia is composed of all men of an age to bear arms not specifically denied by criminal record or mental disorder.


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  • wipalawipala Member Posts: 11,067
    edited November -1
    (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

    (b) The classes of the militia are -
    (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard
    and the Naval Militia; and
    (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of
    the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the
    Naval Militia.

    Other than age, health, gender, or citizenship, there are no additional provisions for exemption from membership in the unorganized militia.

    While it is doubtful that it will ever be called to duty, the United States civilian militia does legally exist.



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