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5000 troops deployed to border with Mexico
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A few more than anticipated. Guess it's better to be safe than sorry.
Fox News has learned military police will be among those headed to the border, though they will not be acting in a law enforcement role ? but rather in a ?force protection? mission, guarding any U.S. military personnel supporting the Border Patrol, according to another official.
Combat troops are not being considered, though the bulk of the reinforcements going to the border are active-duty forces.
Because they would not be performing law enforcement duties they would not be in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act, which prohibits the federal government from using the armed forces in a domestic police role.
Trump warned the invaders "The military is waiting for you".
The caravan immediately increased by 500 mexicans pushing carts selling Burritos, Enchiladas and fried plantains.[:)]
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/5000-troops-deploying-to-us-mexico-border-in-response-to-migrant-caravan
Fox News has learned military police will be among those headed to the border, though they will not be acting in a law enforcement role ? but rather in a ?force protection? mission, guarding any U.S. military personnel supporting the Border Patrol, according to another official.
Combat troops are not being considered, though the bulk of the reinforcements going to the border are active-duty forces.
Because they would not be performing law enforcement duties they would not be in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act, which prohibits the federal government from using the armed forces in a domestic police role.
Trump warned the invaders "The military is waiting for you".
The caravan immediately increased by 500 mexicans pushing carts selling Burritos, Enchiladas and fried plantains.[:)]
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/5000-troops-deploying-to-us-mexico-border-in-response-to-migrant-caravan
Comments
If they're told to use force to repel the invaders, the left will be screaming bloody murder. They'll get just what they're hoping for, political heyday. Poor ninas and ninos being "brutalized."
If they're not allowed to repel the invaders, the left will get 7000 new voters and will show the world that they're in control.
Personally, I'd be ok with he military using bayonets, butt stokes, concertina wire and dogs. Maybe a little CS thrown in for good measure. But we all know that's not going to be allowed.
The only way that the US doesn't lose on this is if the horde sees the troops, tucks tail and heads home. And that just ain't gonna happen.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for a forceful and painful response to this invasion. But this is a heyday for the Dems with elections right around the corner.
Come on... Just what are the troops going to be allowed to do when the horde gets to our border?
If they're told to use force to repel the invaders, the left will be screaming bloody murder. They'll get just what they're hoping for, political heyday. Poor ninas and ninos being "brutalized."
If they're not allowed to repel the invaders, the left will get 7000 new voters and will show the world that they're in control.
Personally, I'd be ok with he military using bayonets, butt stokes, concertina wire and dogs. Maybe a little CS thrown in for good measure. But we all know that's not going to be allowed.
The only way that the US doesn't lose on this is if the horde sees the troops, tucks tail and heads home. And that just ain't gonna happen.
The plan is to apprehend them, put them in holding / detention. Process and return, we'll see how well that works.
Come on... Just what are the troops going to be allowed to do when the horde gets to our border?
If they're told to use force to repel the invaders, the left will be screaming bloody murder. They'll get just what they're hoping for, political heyday. Poor ninas and ninos being "brutalized."
If they're not allowed to repel the invaders, the left will get 7000 new voters and will show the world that they're in control.
Personally, I'd be ok with he military using bayonets, butt stokes, concertina wire and dogs. Maybe a little CS thrown in for good measure. But we all know that's not going to be allowed.
The only way that the US doesn't lose on this is if the horde sees the troops, tucks tail and heads home. And that just ain't gonna happen.
That is where the civilians need to step up to the plate. We have the 2nd and the constitution, what's the problem? Ya'll need to take a vacation to one of the border states and lend a hand [:D]
quote:Originally posted by WearyTraveler
Come on... Just what are the troops going to be allowed to do when the horde gets to our border?
If they're told to use force to repel the invaders, the left will be screaming bloody murder. They'll get just what they're hoping for, political heyday. Poor ninas and ninos being "brutalized."
If they're not allowed to repel the invaders, the left will get 7000 new voters and will show the world that they're in control.
Personally, I'd be ok with he military using bayonets, butt stokes, concertina wire and dogs. Maybe a little CS thrown in for good measure. But we all know that's not going to be allowed.
The only way that the US doesn't lose on this is if the horde sees the troops, tucks tail and heads home. And that just ain't gonna happen.
That is where the civilians need to step up to the plate. We have the 2nd and the constitution, what's the problem? Ya'll need to take a vacation to one of the border states and lend a hand [:D]I'm sure there will be more than a few civilians on the border. I'd drive down, over, ?? to watch the show if I was home. What else do you do when retired that might be exciting?
I can already imagine what the Commie Liberals would be calling us in the Media.
quote:Originally posted by WearyTraveler
Come on... Just what are the troops going to be allowed to do when the horde gets to our border?
If they're told to use force to repel the invaders, the left will be screaming bloody murder. They'll get just what they're hoping for, political heyday. Poor ninas and ninos being "brutalized."
If they're not allowed to repel the invaders, the left will get 7000 new voters and will show the world that they're in control.
Personally, I'd be ok with he military using bayonets, butt stokes, concertina wire and dogs. Maybe a little CS thrown in for good measure. But we all know that's not going to be allowed.
The only way that the US doesn't lose on this is if the horde sees the troops, tucks tail and heads home. And that just ain't gonna happen.
That is where the civilians need to step up to the plate. We have the 2nd and the constitution, what's the problem? Ya'll need to take a vacation to one of the border states and lend a hand [:D]
Vigilantism... What a great idea[xx(][xx(]
There will come a time when the war between Democrats and Republicans will start. That's when it will be time to go to war. Before then you're just a buncha lawless thugs... Just a bunch of criminals.
We are having a Crossroads gun show here next weekend, might be a good show, lots of great country to see and the weather is amazing.
quote:Originally posted by WearyTraveler
Come on... Just what are the troops going to be allowed to do when the horde gets to our border?
If they're told to use force to repel the invaders, the left will be screaming bloody murder. They'll get just what they're hoping for, political heyday. Poor ninas and ninos being "brutalized."
If they're not allowed to repel the invaders, the left will get 7000 new voters and will show the world that they're in control.
Personally, I'd be ok with he military using bayonets, butt stokes, concertina wire and dogs. Maybe a little CS thrown in for good measure. But we all know that's not going to be allowed.
The only way that the US doesn't lose on this is if the horde sees the troops, tucks tail and heads home. And that just ain't gonna happen.
That is where the civilians need to step up to the plate. We have the 2nd and the constitution, what's the problem? Ya'll need to take a vacation to one of the border states and lend a hand [:D]
Just like when the libs harass people in restaurants. THEY?RE protected. God help someone who takes a swing at them. They?ll immediately go from someone who is being wronged to being a criminal.
If US citizens make a stand, they?re fooked. They immediately become criminals. And the left gets to scream ?See, the conservatives are NAZIS!?
Since when is defending your country from foreign invaders considered a domestic police role?
I guess the British Invasion in 1812 was a police role.
what I would like to see ( I know when same day pigs fly ) shoot any one and every one who puts a foot on our side of the border complete immunity for any of the shooters
They I would deploy a Cavalry Recon force along the border to spot people coming across.
With the Tech we have now this would be easy.
The Recon/surveillance guys call in ICE to arrest and Back them up, turn them over to the SF and MI interrogators find out WTH they are and deport their * ASAP.
Not one should be allowed in no matter what.
Another thing if they think they are going to stop them on the Bridges and border crossings in Riot gear they are insane.
I have been in a riot and its some scary crap even with Body Armor and shields because you are out numbered and all eyes are on your conduct, never mind the rioters throwing huge rocks and spears.
Look up Operation Safe Haven. I was there and it was bad.
quote:Originally posted by mag00
quote:Originally posted by WearyTraveler
Come on... Just what are the troops going to be allowed to do when the horde gets to our border?
If they're told to use force to repel the invaders, the left will be screaming bloody murder. They'll get just what they're hoping for, political heyday. Poor ninas and ninos being "brutalized."
If they're not allowed to repel the invaders, the left will get 7000 new voters and will show the world that they're in control.
Personally, I'd be ok with he military using bayonets, butt stokes, concertina wire and dogs. Maybe a little CS thrown in for good measure. But we all know that's not going to be allowed.
The only way that the US doesn't lose on this is if the horde sees the troops, tucks tail and heads home. And that just ain't gonna happen.
That is where the civilians need to step up to the plate. We have the 2nd and the constitution, what's the problem? Ya'll need to take a vacation to one of the border states and lend a hand [:D]
Vigilantism... What a great idea[xx(][xx(]
There will come a time when the war between Democrats and Republicans will start. That's when it will be time to go to war. Before then you're just a buncha lawless thugs... Just a bunch of criminals.
OOH I impressed, vigilante, lawless thugs blah blah blah. Liberal scare tactics to keep people "in line".
Sorry, I haven't tossed my Country under the bus and I have not renounced my oath of office from when I served in the USAF.
Citizens DO have the right to enforce laws, the demeaning nature of your name calling does not change these facts. [;)]
never make the U.S. border.
Current estimated size is 3500.
Internet pics of 8K+ is BS..
Remember Putin?
"Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee
quote: He is seldom 'out bluffed' on anything.
Remember Putin?
Hows about "I'm gonna end Obama care".
quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
quote:Originally posted by mag00
quote:Originally posted by WearyTraveler
Come on... Just what are the troops going to be allowed to do when the horde gets to our border?
If they're told to use force to repel the invaders, the left will be screaming bloody murder. They'll get just what they're hoping for, political heyday. Poor ninas and ninos being "brutalized."
If they're not allowed to repel the invaders, the left will get 7000 new voters and will show the world that they're in control.
Personally, I'd be ok with he military using bayonets, butt stokes, concertina wire and dogs. Maybe a little CS thrown in for good measure. But we all know that's not going to be allowed.
The only way that the US doesn't lose on this is if the horde sees the troops, tucks tail and heads home. And that just ain't gonna happen.
That is where the civilians need to step up to the plate. We have the 2nd and the constitution, what's the problem? Ya'll need to take a vacation to one of the border states and lend a hand [:D]
Vigilantism... What a great idea[xx(][xx(]
There will come a time when the war between Democrats and Republicans will start. That's when it will be time to go to war. Before then you're just a buncha lawless thugs... Just a bunch of criminals.
OOH I impressed, vigilante, lawless thugs blah blah blah. Liberal scare tactics to keep people "in line".
Sorry, I haven't tossed my Country under the bus and I have not renounced my oath of office from when I served in the USAF.
Citizens DO have the right to enforce laws, the demeaning nature of your name calling does not change these facts. [;)]
Citizens absolutely do, but not through Force. Not unless it's in self-defense...
And what you're proposing is being a vigilante. Because you're suggesting heading down there to stop them by force.
NOTE to Mexico: Do not put a railroad at a border entrance and cover the tracks with nice sized throwing rocks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMuN2kXkVDQ
Latest news. Mexico issued a warning that the group on their Southern border is preparing Molotov Cocktails.
ESCALATION:
Do Mexican automatic belt fed weapons reliably fire rubber bullets. Start out where every 10th bullet is a real one and the others rubber, then work up if they don't get the message.
Maybe the troops can do paperwork so the Border Patrol can Patrol the Border.
Sending troops is Political Theater. What are they going to do, shoot a bunch of Hondurans? Immigration is at a 30 year low, most of the people crossing are turning themselves in asking for asylum. Those are counted as interdictions.
Maybe the troops can do paperwork so the Border Patrol can Patrol the Border.
More likely getting ready for the next the War of Northern Aggression . If the Democrats take over Congress they will try to impeach President Trump soon after they are sworn in office.Then open the door to millions of Hispanics to citizenship and fast track them for 2020 take over with election votes saying they have played by the rules of a legal democracy.
serf
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/405891-impeachment-will-be-at-the-top-of-democrats-agenda-if-they-take-the-house
Democrats will impeach President Trump if they win a majority in November, no matter how much their leaders try to pretend otherwise.
The Democrat leadership is doing its utmost to play down the prospect of impeaching the President. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said in June that impeachment is ?not the path the party should go on,? claiming it?s a ?divisive issue? and ?not a priority.?
Of course, the only reason impeachment is ?not a priority? for Pelosi is because the Democrat leadership fears that the threat of impeachment will galvanize Republican voters to flock to the polls in droves in order to defend President Trump.
serf
?Because they would not be performing law enforcement duties they would not be in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act, which prohibits the federal government from using the armed forces in a domestic police role.?
Since when is defending your country from foreign invaders considered a domestic police role?
I guess the British Invasion in 1812 was a police role.
Same thing I was wondering.
quote:Originally posted by jimdeere
?Because they would not be performing law enforcement duties they would not be in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act, which prohibits the federal government from using the armed forces in a domestic police role.?
Since when is defending your country from foreign invaders considered a domestic police role?
I guess the British Invasion in 1812 was a police role.
Same thing I was wondering.
Unless I was taught wrong a President and Governor may issue temporary arrest powers to National Guard units in times of need to aid law enforcement and the U.S Coast Guard has arrest powers 24/7...365 days per year. I do acknowledge laws may have changed since.
"Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee
https://www.breitbart.com/border/2018/10/30/armed-migrants-in-caravan-opened-fire-on-mexican-cops-say-authorities/
The shooting has started:
https://www.breitbart.com/border/2018/10/30/armed-migrants-in-caravan-opened-fire-on-mexican-cops-say-authorities/The pistol Jammed and the perps were arrested with 9 bullets left in the pistol. How could a Glock jam, poor maintenance?
quote:Originally posted by mag00
quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
quote:Originally posted by mag00
quote:Originally posted by WearyTraveler
Come on... Just what are the troops going to be allowed to do when the horde gets to our border?
If they're told to use force to repel the invaders, the left will be screaming bloody murder. They'll get just what they're hoping for, political heyday. Poor ninas and ninos being "brutalized."
If they're not allowed to repel the invaders, the left will get 7000 new voters and will show the world that they're in control.
Personally, I'd be ok with he military using bayonets, butt stokes, concertina wire and dogs. Maybe a little CS thrown in for good measure. But we all know that's not going to be allowed.
The only way that the US doesn't lose on this is if the horde sees the troops, tucks tail and heads home. And that just ain't gonna happen.
That is where the civilians need to step up to the plate. We have the 2nd and the constitution, what's the problem? Ya'll need to take a vacation to one of the border states and lend a hand [:D]
Vigilantism... What a great idea[xx(][xx(]
There will come a time when the war between Democrats and Republicans will start. That's when it will be time to go to war. Before then you're just a buncha lawless thugs... Just a bunch of criminals.
OOH I impressed, vigilante, lawless thugs blah blah blah. Liberal scare tactics to keep people "in line".
Sorry, I haven't tossed my Country under the bus and I have not renounced my oath of office from when I served in the USAF.
Citizens DO have the right to enforce laws, the demeaning nature of your name calling does not change these facts. [;)]
Citizens absolutely do, but not through Force. Not unless it's in self-defense...
And what you're proposing is being a vigilante. Because you're suggesting heading down there to stop them by force.
I don't know what country you live in, but I assure you that is not true for Arizona.