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Why didn't he shoot?

_bruno__bruno_ Member Posts: 854 ✭✭✭✭
edited December 2010 in General Discussion
Armed homeowner confronts burglars, one points gun at him (later determined to be unloaded), and he doesn't pull the trigger. I wonder why. I also wonder why you would point an unloaded firearm at somebody who is pointing one back at you. That guy is lucky he didn't get killed.

http://www.fox2now.com/news/ktvi-homeowner-burglar-point-guns-each-other-120810,0,553236.story

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    fishkiller41fishkiller41 Member Posts: 50,608
    edited November -1
    What I wanna know is,WHO FILMED IT?
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    retroxler58retroxler58 Member Posts: 32,693 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by fishkiller41
    What I wanna know is,WHO FILMED IT?
    THAT... is a good question...


    Staged? [;)]
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    _bruno__bruno_ Member Posts: 854 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Been a few days since I watched the video myself. I'm not sure if it explained. He set up security cameras in his garage after being robbed. He was in his house I believe, and saw the bad guys on his monitor.
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    BeeramidBeeramid Member, Moderator Posts: 7,264 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by retroxler58
    quote:Originally posted by fishkiller41
    What I wanna know is,WHO FILMED IT?
    THAT... is a good question...


    Staged? [;)]




    If you watched the video you'd know.
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    topdadtopdad Member Posts: 3,408 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Have never been in that situation, but I would hope
    that if I were my only thought would be to be the first
    one on the trigger. If you point a gun at me, then
    I think your going to shoot me, and my only thought should
    be to shoot you first.
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    joe 1951joe 1951 Member Posts: 457
    edited November -1
    Point a gun at me,you better be pulling the triger because i will and i keep mine loaded.
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    legionkahnlegionkahn Member Posts: 4,055
    edited November -1
    Economy must be bad, getting to where the criminals can no longer afford to load the stolen guns they have.[:D]
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    MrOrangeMrOrange Member Posts: 3,012
    edited November -1
    Because he hadn't already made the decision.

    You have to have your responses to dangerous stimuli already in you so your reaction is automatic; the intruder pointing a gun at you just trips the pre-programmed response. If you don't make the decision beforehand you're going to stand there and try to figure out who/what/when/where and why, if even for a few seconds.

    I can understand confusion and doubt if the person pointing a gun at you is a friend you invited over or some such, but if you're not going to automatically shoot an armed intruder you need to give up your guns. Otherwise an intruder is just going to take them from you at the very least.
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    cshoneycshoney Member Posts: 2 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Its easy to say that you would shoot someone if you were in that position, but i would be willing to bet that 90% of you would do the same thing that i did when it came time to do it. I have owned guns and hunted from the time that i was legally old enough. And i would have told you right up until the time that it happened that i would have shot someone in a second if i were in that situation. But when 3 people broke into my house for some reason i wasn't able to do it, and it almost cost me my life. I could even hear them breaking in through the side garage door and was standing there with a 357 in my hand when they finally did come through and i still wasn't able to do it. What it cost me for not doing it was 1.)i was stabbed through the back and my lung was punctured. 2.)my back was broken. 3.)my face was split open and i was beat almost to where i was unreconizable with the butt of 1 of my own rifles. 4.)by the time i made it to the hospital 2 thirds of my blood was gone, and i had to have 2 blood transfusions. 5.) and among many other things it gave me mental scars that i will never get over. So even though most of you say that you would shoot someone if you were in that situation, and i would hope that you would all be able to, i would bet that most of you wouldn't.
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    coltpaxcoltpax Member Posts: 8,114
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by cshoney
    Its easy to say that you would shoot someone if you were in that position, but i would be willing to bet that 90% of you would do the same thing that i did when it came time to do it. I have owned guns and hunted from the time that i was legally old enough. And i would have told you right up until the time that it happened that i would have shot someone in a second if i were in that situation. But when 3 people broke into my house for some reason i wasn't able to do it, and it almost cost me my life. I could even hear them breaking in through the side garage door and was standing there with a 357 in my hand when they finally did come through and i still wasn't able to do it. What it cost me for not doing it was 1.)i was stabbed through the back and my lung was punctured. 2.)my back was broken. 3.)my face was split open and i was beat almost to where i was unreconizable with the butt of 1 of my own rifles. 4.)by the time i made it to the hospital 2 thirds of my blood was gone, and i had to have 2 blood transfusions. 5.) and among many other things it gave me mental scars that i will never get over. So even though most of you say that you would shoot someone if you were in that situation, and i would hope that you would all be able to, i would bet that most of you wouldn't.


    Read MrOrange's posting. I gotta say, I'm selfish. I am. I'm really, really, really selfish. So, I know if it came down to me, or some punks, who would I want to stay in this world? I choose me. I don't mean to sound like Mr. Superass 5000, but you can't complain about what happened to you. You had the means to end the confrontation. But, you didn't, and ended up with what you got. But, I don't know what I would do if something like that happens to me. I really don't. But, I can practice, and try and condition myself to if something like that does happen to me, I will react in a way that saves my life and the life of others. I care more about the lives and safety of my family and I than I do about some crooks.
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    reloader44magreloader44mag Member Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    no bodies dead ....right?....thats how its supposed to end...my 2 cents
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    coltpaxcoltpax Member Posts: 8,114
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by reloader44mag
    no bodies dead ....right?....thats how its supposed to end...my 2 cents


    In a perfect world. But this world is far from perfect.
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    reloader44magreloader44mag Member Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by coltpax
    quote:Originally posted by reloader44mag
    no bodies dead ....right?....thats how its supposed to end...my 2 cents


    In a perfect world. But this world is far from perfect.
    yep it woulda been better if everyone died...thats always best...
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    coltpaxcoltpax Member Posts: 8,114
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by reloader44mag
    quote:Originally posted by coltpax
    quote:Originally posted by reloader44mag
    no bodies dead ....right?....thats how its supposed to end...my 2 cents


    In a perfect world. But this world is far from perfect.
    yep it woulda been better if everyone died...thats always best...



    Nah. I would have prefered this scenario: The burglars are good citizens who would never break into anybody's home. The homeowner, well, since nobody breaks into his home, don't have to confront any burglars. There. That's "A perfect world". That's the best situation. That's how it should be.
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    reloader44magreloader44mag Member Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by coltpax
    quote:Originally posted by reloader44mag
    quote:Originally posted by coltpax
    quote:Originally posted by reloader44mag
    no bodies dead ....right?....thats how its supposed to end...my 2 cents


    In a perfect world. But this world is far from perfect.
    yep it woulda been better if everyone died...thats always best...



    Nah. I would have prefered this scenario: The burglars are good citizens who would never break into anybody's home. The homeowner, well, since nobody breaks into his home, don't have to confront any burglars. There. That's "A perfect world". That's the best situation. That's how it should be.
    yawn
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    coltpaxcoltpax Member Posts: 8,114
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by reloader44mag
    quote:Originally posted by coltpax
    quote:Originally posted by reloader44mag
    quote:Originally posted by coltpax
    quote:Originally posted by reloader44mag
    no bodies dead ....right?....thats how its supposed to end...my 2 cents


    In a perfect world. But this world is far from perfect.
    yep it woulda been better if everyone died...thats always best...



    Nah. I would have prefered this scenario: The burglars are good citizens who would never break into anybody's home. The homeowner, well, since nobody breaks into his home, don't have to confront any burglars. There. That's "A perfect world". That's the best situation. That's how it should be.
    yawn


    bed time?
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    reloader44magreloader44mag Member Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by coltpax
    quote:Originally posted by reloader44mag
    quote:Originally posted by coltpax
    quote:Originally posted by reloader44mag
    quote:Originally posted by coltpax
    quote:Originally posted by reloader44mag
    no bodies dead ....right?....thats how its supposed to end...my 2 cents


    In a perfect world. But this world is far from perfect.
    yep it woulda been better if everyone died...thats always best...



    Nah. I would have prefered this scenario: The burglars are good citizens who would never break into anybody's home. The homeowner, well, since nobody breaks into his home, don't have to confront any burglars. There. That's "A perfect world". That's the best situation. That's how it should be.
    yawn


    bed time?you tell me
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    rcrxmike_2rcrxmike_2 Member Posts: 3,275
    edited November -1
    burglars were'nt too smart. that house screams 'guns live here' [:D]
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    allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,286 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Point a gun at me, I will shoot first and not ask questions later.
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    allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,286 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Originally posted by cshoney

    Its easy to say that you would shoot someone if you were in that position, but i would be willing to bet that 90% of you would do the same thing that i did when it came time to do it. I have owned guns and hunted from the time that i was legally old enough. And i would have told you right up until the time that it happened that i would have shot someone in a second if i were in that situation. But when 3 people broke into my house for some reason i wasn't able to do it, and it almost cost me my life. I could even hear them breaking in through the side garage door and was standing there with a 357 in my hand when they finally did come through and i still wasn't able to do it. What it cost me for not doing it was 1.)i was stabbed through the back and my lung was punctured. 2.)my back was broken. 3.)my face was split open and i was beat almost to where i was unreconizable with the butt of 1 of my own rifles. 4.)by the time i made it to the hospital 2 thirds of my blood was gone, and i had to have 2 blood transfusions. 5.) and among many other things it gave me mental scars that i will never get over. So even though most of you say that you would shoot someone if you were in that situation, and i would hope that you would all be able to, i would bet that most of you wouldn't.


    Don't bet a dime against me.
    No I have never been in that situation but I have a couple of loaded .44s and there is no doubt that I would shoot.
    Moreover, knowing that I would be ridding society of some dangerous, sociopathic scum, I would probably enjoy it.

    As for your misadventure, I once read a book about the Hell's Angels.
    Now these guys get into fights all the time.
    They said, one thing you ought never to do is to point a pistol at a Hell's Angel if you don't have the guts to pull the trigger.
    They said they would really put an * whipping on some civilian who brandished a gun but was chicken to pull the trigger.
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    Rack OpsRack Ops Member Posts: 18,597 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    cshoney: That's certainly an interesting first post.


    Anyways, while I find your honesty refreshing...I wouldn't be so sure about your statement as to what other people would do.


    The thing I'm most curious about is if you found yourself in the same position again, would you pull the trigger?
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    gunpaqgunpaq Member Posts: 4,607 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Perhaps the home owner saw there were no rounds in the cylinder if the crook had a revolver or perhaps divine intervention.
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    GONESHOOTINGGONESHOOTING Member Posts: 2,450 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by topdad
    Have never been in that situation, but I would hope
    that if I were my only thought would be to be the first
    one on the trigger. If you point a gun at me, then
    I think your going to shoot me, and my only thought should
    be to shoot you first.
    Plus one, if it's pointed at me, I think I know your intentions and not good, besides I'm not going to leave my kids without a dad.[;)]
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    RtWngExtrmstRtWngExtrmst Member Posts: 7,456
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by reloader44mag
    no bodies dead ....right?....thats how its supposed to end...my 2 cents

    If someone points a gun at me, it's going to end up with someone dead or seriously wounded. Hopefully the other SOB. That's how it's supposed to end.
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    TxsTxs Member Posts: 18,801
    edited November -1
    Anyone can tell you what they would do, or at least what they think they'd do. Many are correct - but many are also wrong.

    Until you look down that gun at someone who's a threat you don't know for sure how you'll act.
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    bartman45bartman45 Member Posts: 3,008 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was about 10 seconds from being in a situation that could have been bad. Two intruders didn't know I was home and I walked in on them coming through a window. They went back out the window, but a few more seconds and they would have been in a dark house not knowing the means of escape. I was unarmed at the time. Not any more.

    quote:Originally posted by cshoney
    Its easy to say that you would shoot someone if you were in that position, but i would be willing to bet that 90% of you would do the same thing that i did when it came time to do it. I have owned guns and hunted from the time that i was legally old enough. And i would have told you right up until the time that it happened that i would have shot someone in a second if i were in that situation. But when 3 people broke into my house for some reason i wasn't able to do it, and it almost cost me my life. I could even hear them breaking in through the side garage door and was standing there with a 357 in my hand when they finally did come through and i still wasn't able to do it. What it cost me for not doing it was 1.)i was stabbed through the back and my lung was punctured. 2.)my back was broken. 3.)my face was split open and i was beat almost to where i was unreconizable with the butt of 1 of my own rifles. 4.)by the time i made it to the hospital 2 thirds of my blood was gone, and i had to have 2 blood transfusions. 5.) and among many other things it gave me mental scars that i will never get over. So even though most of you say that you would shoot someone if you were in that situation, and i would hope that you would all be able to, i would bet that most of you wouldn't.
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    FrancFFrancF Member Posts: 35,278 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Beeramid
    quote:Originally posted by retroxler58
    quote:Originally posted by fishkiller41
    What I wanna know is,WHO FILMED IT?
    THAT... is a good question...


    Staged? [;)]




    If you watched the video you'd know.


    Ya think?[:D] This is what, the 5th time.[8D]
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    TxsTxs Member Posts: 18,801
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by eboydell
    This is the truth,no joking.
    90% of American adults will hesitate to pull the trigger AFTER the target has been confirmed hostile.I don't know how accurate that figure is, but people are much less prone to shoot someone than expected.

    Besides those who find they don't want to fire at all, when the time comes a large number will choose to fire as a warning/threat only.

    After it's over a surprising number will find they just fired at the threat without truly trying to hit.

    It can't be accurately predicted.
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    AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by MrOrange
    Because he hadn't already made the decision.

    You have to have your responses to dangerous stimuli already in you so your reaction is automatic; the intruder pointing a gun at you just trips the pre-programmed response. If you don't make the decision beforehand you're going to stand there and try to figure out who/what/when/where and why, if even for a few seconds.

    I can understand confusion and doubt if the person pointing a gun at you is a friend you invited over or some such, but if you're not going to automatically shoot an armed intruder you need to give up your guns. Otherwise an intruder is just going to take them from you at the very least.





    Exactly. Training, training, training. You will do what you have trained yourself to do. Make sure you know the exact laws, for your state, for self defense. And in a stress situation you will do what you have trained to do.
    ?The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.?
    Margaret Thatcher

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    Mark Twain
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    bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,664 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by eboydell
    This is the truth,no joking.
    90% of American adults will hesitate to pull the trigger AFTER the target has been confirmed hostile. People are funny that way. They are like Dorothy in The Wizard of Oz, they would like to click their heels together and hope the bad man goes away.
    True Story:
    My sister is 3 years younger than I am. About 10 years ago, she was 45 years old. Her husband went to work as he always does. She had one of those "take it, or lose it" holidays. She was cutting roses in her front yard when some guy stops his car and starts saying nasty things. She runs inside, locks the door, and before she get to the telephone,this guy is banging on the door. Her three Boxer dogs were going crazy. She dialed 911, dropped the receiver, grabbed her .357, and ran to an open window. There was only a sceen between them.
    Are you ready? She points the pistol at him and says to go away. Luckily, the dogs had more sense. The three dogs went through the screen and were taking care of business, when the police came.
    They arrested him. He was a multible felon who was released 10 days earlier. After all of the legal stuff, he was sent back to prison.
    She told me that she could not pull the trigger. Now you explain that, I can't.


    She had no right to shoot him.
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    n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by reloader44mag
    no bodies dead ....right?....thats how its supposed to end...my 2 cents



    Not in my world. There should be two dead perps... I'm sorry, but their life choices would have brought their deaths upon themselves. You violate the sanctity of my home and I'm pulling the trigger (no matter who you are). I don't have time to play with the safety of my loved ones. One millisecond of hesitation could mean the torturous death of my family.

    I am prepared to unleash a wall of lead on ANYONE who enters my home unwelcomed.
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    SGSG Member Posts: 7,548
    edited November -1
    Why didnt he shoot? Because he was scared and choked[;)]
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    oldrideroldrider Member Posts: 4,934 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'd be scared in that situation, too. Guess nobody knows til it happens, but I think I'd be scared enough to pull my trigger.
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    cshoneycshoney Member Posts: 2 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yes i wouldquote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
    cshoney: That's certainly an interesting first post.


    Anyways, while I find your honesty refreshing...I wouldn't be so sure about your statement as to what other people would do.


    The thing I'm most curious about is if you found yourself in the same position again, would you pull the trigger?
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    SCOUT5SCOUT5 Member Posts: 16,182 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Buck fever isn't just isolated to bucks.
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    quickmajikquickmajik Member Posts: 16,324
    edited November -1
    yup I agree with the above, half of most of the training regimes are designed to break a man down until he wont hestitate to use his full strenth and mind to do what needs doing.

    a persons gotta be conditioned to unhesitatingly drop the hammer on another person. Either by training, or by survival of a bad situation. and even then, unless its taught to be done instinctively, alot of people would still think before they did it.
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    TxsTxs Member Posts: 18,801
    edited November -1
    What we're talking about involves elements more complex than just fear, choking or "buck fever".

    A good example is S.L.A Marshall's studies which indicated only 15-25% of our troops in WWII fired their weapons with the intent to hit.

    Even though they were facing people doing their level best to kill them, many never fired at all while others intentionally aimed to miss.

    It's a human nature issue.
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