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Kerry Gives Viet-Nam Vet the Bird

borderguyborderguy Member Posts: 387 ✭✭✭
edited June 2004 in General Discussion
Not verified yet, but true to Kerry's character (or lack thereof)

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/5/31/225546.shtml

quote:Kerry 'Flips Off' Vietnam Vet

Democratic Senator - and certain presidential nominee - John F. Kerry gave the middle finger to a Vietnam veteran at the Vietnam Memorial Wall on Memorial Day morning, NewsMax.com has learned.

Ted Sampley, a former Green Beret who served two full tours in Vietnam, spotted Kerry and his Secret Service detail at about 9:00 AM Monday morning at the Wall. Sampley walked up to Kerry, extended his hand and said, "Senator, I am Ted Sampley, the head of Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry, and I am here to escort you away from the Wall because you do not belong here."

At that point a Secret Service officer told Sampley to back away from Kerry. Sampley moved about six feet away and opened his jacket to reveal a HANOI JOHN tee-shirt.

Kerry then began talking to a group of school children. Sampley then showed the tee-shirt to the children and said, "Kerry does not belong at the Wall because he betrayed the brave soldiers who fought in Vietnam."

Just then Kerry - in front of the school children, other visitors and Secret Service agents - brazenly 'flashed the bird' at Sampley and then yelled out to everyone, "Sampley is a felon!"

Kerry was referring to an incident 12 years ago when Sampley confronted Senator John McCain's cheif aide, Mark Salter, in a Senate stairwell after McCain repeatedly offended POW families at a Senate POW hearing. Sampley, whose father-in-law at that time was MIA in Laos, followed Salter into the stairwell and, when they emerged, Salter had a bloody lip and a broken nose.

Sampley's group, Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry, has garnered huge national attention and been featured in the New York Times, the Washington Post and on MSNBC's Scarborough Country. Tens of thousands of Vietnam vets have registered their opposition to Kerry through Sampley's group.

Clearly Sampley has gotten under Kerry's skin once again.

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  • HAIRYHAIRY Member Posts: 23,606
    edited November -1
    Being one who doesn't try to stir up emotions, one could say that the objection would be better delivered to Bush at the ceremonies at Arlington. One could ask, "Why are you here, since you went AWOL during a time of war?" [:(]

    But then again, common courtesy is no longer common, is it? [;)][}:)]

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  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by HAIRY
    Being one who doesn't try to stir up emotions, one could say that the objection would be better delivered to Bush at the ceremonies at Arlington.


    The Sentinels at the Tomb aren't just there for show. They're authorized to enforce The Rule of Respectful Silence. I know most of them personally, and they take their job very seriously, especially when there's VIPs around.

    So if you're feeling froggy, jump.

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  • Chockfull O NutsChockfull O Nuts Member Posts: 646 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hairy, your feelings about Bush are well known but the charge of his being AWOL has been proven false and even the die hard Democrat political operatives have abandoned the accusation. Medical records have been produced documenting that Bush was at the air base during the time that his critics claimed he was absent and at least one witness has come forward to testify that he was present at times and that any absences were routine, occurred with all Guard personnel and were not limited to Bush, and were within policy. If you want to criticize him for serving in the National Guard to escape possible combat duty that's a legitimate comment but to continue making that AWOL charge at this point is nothing less than an outright lie.
  • BlueTicBlueTic Member Posts: 4,072
    edited November -1
    Way to go Sampley - should of kicked his butt to - Kerry has nooooo right to be at that wall, least of all talking to children like it ment something to him...

    IF YOU DON'T LIKE MY RIGHTS - GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY (this includes politicians)
  • Red223Red223 Member Posts: 7,946
    edited November -1
    This wouldn't shock me....I wish someone had a photo.






    Bush was a weekend warrior, leave it alone at that as he did more than Slick Willy.

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  • BoomerangBoomerang Member Posts: 4,513
    edited November -1
    quote:Kerry has nooooo right to be at that wall, least of all talking to children like it meant something to him...x-ring BlueTic

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  • ruger270manruger270man Member Posts: 9,361
    edited November -1
    Hey Hairy, get off Kerry's nuts, why are you always defending him? And this article isn't about Bush, its about Kerry, stick to the subject at hand.

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  • beantolebeantole Member Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm very unhappy with Bush. But I'm even more unhappy with Kerry.
    Why can't this country have someone decent running for president who has a chance to win?

    Bruce
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    Chu Lai, RVN 1970-1071
  • muggstermuggster Member Posts: 428 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    This may show my ignorance but.....I thought Kerry served in Vietnam?
    I don't read much about Kerry or Bush, being that I am voting for niether.[:D]

    Muggster
  • NighthawkNighthawk Member Posts: 13,100
    edited November -1
    I know where that finger belongs![}:)]

    Rugster




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  • lurkerlurker Member Posts: 414 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hairy professes to be a patriot --- yet never misses a chance to slam our Commander in Chief (even when it's been proven that the AWOL garbage was nothing more than democratic garbage).

    I'd bet Ted Sampley would be interested in meeting Hairy, and would give him more than the finger!
  • bigtirebigtire Member Posts: 24,800
    edited November -1
    Ted Nugent for President![:D]

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  • ruger270manruger270man Member Posts: 9,361
    edited November -1
    Id like to see another source before I believe this story.

    Muggster, check out www.wintersoldier.com to learn more about Kerry in Vietnam.. and after.


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  • muggstermuggster Member Posts: 428 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ruger

    He sounds like a hypocrit like all the rest of em.

    What I wonder is....
    Suppossedly,Kerry AND Bush both belong to the SKULL AND BONES.I think Klinton is a member too.....WHAT"S ALL THE FIGHTING ABOUT????

    Muggster
  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,837
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by lurker
    Hairy professes to be a patriot --- yet never misses a chance to slam our Commander in Chief....

    He is not OUR commander and chief. He is commander and chief OF THE MILITARY when called into actual service.

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  • JgreenJgreen Member Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Typical GOP rumormongering. Want to keep it about Kerry? Fine. Kerry was in Vietnam. He has every right to be there. We all know what newsmax is, and it isn't news.
  • Colt SuperColt Super Member Posts: 31,007
    edited November -1
    Sometimes these threads get off the track.

    It's easy... Kerry is a one-world, U.N./communist.

    Oh, yeah... he also wants to reject the Second Ammendment and confiscate our firearms.

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  • lurkerlurker Member Posts: 414 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Salzo,

    You just showed everybody that you weren't in the military.

    I am retired Army -- he is my commander in chief.
  • TrinityScrimshawTrinityScrimshaw Member Posts: 9,309 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The only right Kerry would have to be there is if his name was on that wall. As a person who has relatives on that wall I find it disgusting that Kerry was stumping there.[}:)]

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  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,837
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by lurker
    Salzo,

    You just showed everybody that you weren't in the military.

    I am retired Army -- he is my commander in chief.


    You said "OUR", not "MY".
    Furthermore, unless you have been called to service at this moment, he is not your commander in chief.
    You can call him your savior, your king, thse terms better describe the feelings you have for him.
    He is not the commander and chief of the people.
    He is not the commander in chief of the government.
    He is not the commander in chief of the country.
    He is the commander in chief of the military WHEN CALLED INTO SERVICE.

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  • ElMuertoMonkeyElMuertoMonkey Member Posts: 12,898
    edited November -1
    I have newfound respect for the man! How dare anyone claim ownership of the wall and deem who is or isn't fit to visit?

    "I'm here to escort you away from the wall."

    Hey buddy, hate to tell your self-important, self-absorbed self this, but those guys up on the wall gave up a lot more than you did and it's their wall, not yours!

    Flipped him the bird? I'd have done a lot more to that preening, strutting cock than that.

    And Hairy has a legitimate point: if Kerry, who served, is "unworthy," then how is the man who avoided combat duty, who slashed vet's benefits, closed down VA's, and sent our people into harm's way under-equipped worthier?
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 62,979 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Borderguy you've been hijacked..
  • rovrmanrovrman Member Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm with bigtire. Ted is the best choice at this point. Bush is the lesser of the 2 evils though.
  • Red223Red223 Member Posts: 7,946
    edited November -1
    My dad got spit on as a Marine returning from Vietnam because of traitors like Hanoi John. His Congressional Testimony saying U.S. troops were raping, torturing, maiming innocent civilians didn't help. Wonder how Kerry got his knowledge that American's were doing this? He was a 4 month boat Captain and somehow captured the whole war and the actions of our troops in that time.


    Shame on him if he stepped foot near that Memorial.

    If he would of flipped off a Marine near that Memorial not even the Secret Service could of protected his rear....The Angry Mob would of gotten him.

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  • HAIRYHAIRY Member Posts: 23,606
    edited November -1
    Lurker: quote:Hairy professes to be a patriot --- yet never misses a chance to slam our Commander in Chief (even when it's been proven that the AWOL garbage was nothing more than democratic garbage).
    Please don't quote me as professing to be a "patriot" for that term conjures, to me, a Republican (read Cheney) wearing his US Flag Pin, on his $2,500 3-piece suit, eating his filet mignon and pontificating to the other Republican diners how this GREAT NATION is built on the blood and tears of our soldiers.

    Of course, neither he nor any member of his family served in any of the military services and our Republican diner has very fond memories of attending Harvard along with Our Leader (who, one must admit, served gallantly protecting the Homeland from Vietnamese Migs threatening Texas). [:(]

    There is always one more imbecile than you counted on.
    Don't assume malice for what stupidity can explain.
  • ZERODINZERODIN Member Posts: 6,338
    edited November -1
    The difference is that Kerry claims to be a war hero, while Bush, to my knowledge, does not.
  • 22WRF22WRF Member Posts: 3,385
    edited November -1
    quote:(who, one must admit, served gallantly protecting the Homeland from Vietnamese Migs threatening Texas

    Hairy
    Having read your Military Career record (Yes the one you posted)
    It appears you spent most of that career as a Non-Combatant defending America from errant Paper Clips

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  • lurkerlurker Member Posts: 414 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Isn't it funny how those that have no combat or military experience have all the answers?

    Some aren't smart enough to know that even a retired military grunt like me is subject to recall into active duty. Yes, that makes him my Commander in Chief as I am in the inactive reserves.

    Hairy takes paper clips as POW's, and Monkey man says "Flipped him the bird? I'd have done a lot more to that preening, strutting cock than that".

    Ted Sampley, being the black belt that he is would just stand there and let you hit him? NOT. There wouldn't be enough left of Monkey Man to feed to the hogs!
  • ruger270manruger270man Member Posts: 9,361
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Red223
    My dad got spit on as a Marine returning from Vietnam because of traitors like Hanoi John. His Congressional Testimony saying U.S. troops were raping, torturing, maiming innocent civilians didn't help. Wonder how Kerry got his knowledge that American's were doing this? He was a 4 month boat Captain and somehow captured the whole war and the actions of our troops in that time.


    Shame on him if he stepped foot near that Memorial.

    If he would of flipped off a Marine near that Memorial not even the Secret Service could of protected his rear....The Angry Mob would of gotten him.


    Thanks Red, great post. If you're dad is still with you, thank him for me please.


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  • BlueTicBlueTic Member Posts: 4,072
    edited November -1
    Thank your father for me also - Red!!!

    IF YOU DON'T LIKE MY RIGHTS - GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY (this includes politicians)
  • Red223Red223 Member Posts: 7,946
    edited November -1
    Haven't seen my dad in 4 years, he's coming out to visit me on Saturday since I'm home chained to the bed for two weeks (surgery).

    I'll pass along the thanks.

    From my earliest memories of him (when he was in his 20's) he was bald, think the agent orange did it to him but he has too much pride to apply for benefits that other vet's said he should.


    Here's a sad story.

    He was a Marine in 'Nam picked for the Marines via the draft (shortest guy out of the line and picked for the Marines). He carried everything from the flame throwers to the M60's and spent his time on foot going thru the jungles.

    He came home and the family had a picnic, his brother (his best friend in the world) joined the Air Force and they both were at the picnic. They ate, then went swimming. His brother started to cramp up and drown so he dove in to save him. My dad was the ONLY one to jump in and try yo save him but his brother was trying to pull him under and he nearly drowned himself. He failed to save his brother and was traumatized by his death...to this day.

    He saved countless lives in Vietnam but couldn't save his own brother in a creek at home. Talk about humility before God. It effected him, to this day.

    He now is a member of the VFW, American Legion, and Marine Corps League and holds offices in each, (turned down President of one as he didn't want to deal with the politics). He participates in parades and funerals of Vet's in my little hometown.

    He's lived one hell of a life, and I don't think anyone will ever see him vote for Kerry.

    The Vietnam Veteran's did not die in vain Senator Kerry. You belittled their lives for political gain.

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  • interstatepawnllcinterstatepawnllc Member Posts: 9,390
    edited November -1
    The "dynamic" duo", (hairy and the chimp) are losing ground rapidly. I have their "logical" adversaries up 5 rounds to 0. Pack it in losers!![;)]

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  • chunkstylechunkstyle Member Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The memorial belongs to all, Kerry and Sampley alike. All are obliged to speak with dignity and reverence in the area. If any of this happened, it was right to have Sampley escorted away, and by attacking another there, he dishonors his own service. Do I believe that Kerry flipped off anyone in public? It doesn't sound in character. He knows that such a display would cost him votes, and he is, after all, a true politician.

    Since I have been studying Greek lately, I'll give a more direct translation of the Thermopylae Monument: "Stranger, tell the Lakedaemonians that in agreement with their customs, we lie here."
  • ElMuertoMonkeyElMuertoMonkey Member Posts: 12,898
    edited November -1
    Interstate,

    No, you pack it up! Go on! Pack it up![:D]

    Everyone else,

    So what happens when this self-appointed guardian of the wall tells those of Asian ancestry, "Your people did nothing to aid us in our war against the communists. I am here to escort you away from the wall."

    Or to those who didn't serve? "You have no idea what we went through... this is for those who know. I am here to escort you away from the wall."

    I can't stand that sort of grandstanding and in this case it's this Green Beret moron thinking he's got the right to tell others who can or can't visit a PUBLIC PLACE.
  • jujujuju Member Posts: 6,321
    edited November -1
    EMM, you miss the point entirely and you analogy is totally off base and you know it.

    Kerry was confronted becasue he gave aid and comfort to the enemy witrh his actions, because he called his fellow soldiers baby killers and worse, because he told lies and helped present false witnesses to congress to back up his lies about our soldiers.

    Nobody and especially no veteran of that war would confont anyone there to pay their respects to our troops. Kerry wasnt there to pay respects, he had his chance to do that and chose a different path, he was there for politicial purpose, to showboart and to try to garner support. Too bad, it didnt work, he was called on it and he showed his true colors, just ans Hanoi John did all those years ago.

    Once again, your argument has more holes than swiss cheese.

    JuJu(not Hanoi Johns supporter)
  • 180A180A Member Posts: 828 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Good for you, JuJu - X ring!

    I happen to know Sampley pretty well, and he has the greatest respect for those that gave their lives in Vietnam.

    Similiarly, he has the greatest disrespect for people like Kerry that try to use the war for personal gain -- in this case political gain.

    Lurker got it right -- Sampley is more than capable of destroying any adversary --- just for grins I emailed this commo to him, maybe he'll respond to "I can't stand that sort of grandstanding and in this case it's this Green Beret moron thinking he's got the right to tell others who can or can't visit a PUBLIC PLACE".
  • TxsTxs Member Posts: 18,801
    edited November -1
    What a picture that would have been on the evening news. Kerry peeking around his Secret Service protective detail and flipping off a decorated VN vet at the Wall on Memorial Day. Regardless of what was said to provoke him, these are not the actions of a President. God help us all if he's elected.

    It's amazing to me that no press cameras caught this at what was obviously a photo op appearance for him. Do unpublished press photos exist? I wonder if the security camera images at the Wall are available through the Freedom of Information Act?
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