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Guns and Flight
Josey1
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Guns and Flight
I have been in some pretty darn good debates lately with the subject matter directed towards firearms and flying.
Everybody that visits GUNEDTm, pretty much knows how I feel and how our Members feel when it comes to being armed at all times. If not, that's how we feel. To be armed at ALL times.
One of my latest debates has been with a current airline pilot with over 20 years flying experience. He is on our side and believes in the Second wholeheartedly, but thinks that citizens like you and me, who hold concealed firearm permits, should never be able to carry on board commercial airline flights.
These pilots are the same people we are completely backing right now, and giving our utmost support in helping them to be able to have weapons in the cockpit. Are we wasting our time like this gentleman thinks?
I for one do not ever think I am wasting my time, otherwise, I wouldn't be here with this website, with Members, and doing what I think we do best. PROTECTING THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS EVERYWHERE AND IN EVERYTHING WE DO FOR ALL AMERICANS!!!
TOO LATE TO STOP NATIONAL ID
Contact Or Find All Of The Information You Need On Your Elected Officials!
Law Enforcement Backs GUNEDTm And We Appreciate It!
Click Here For The Original E-Mails
If we don't help each other completely, and that means being armed if one chooses to be armed in any place and anywhere, then we will lose everything we have.
Read What Another Airline Pilot Has To Say!
Here's what these pilots are worried about: 1. There will be mass shoot-outs on the airplanes. 2. The bad guy will get on board with a gun too. and 3. We will never win the fight to be armed on airplanes, because the government will never allow it.
Wrong, wrong, and most definitely wrong. Lets take the first. Shoot-outs on airplanes. Time and time again we look at the latest studies of people who carry concealed firearm permits. Less than 0.001% of this population commits any crime. The only shoot-outs on aircraft will be that of the faithful drilling a hole in the head of a terrorist trying to terrorize.
Here's one instance that will work. Before your flight, you call in ahead of time to let the check-in clerk know you will be traveling armed. When you show up to check in, the clerk will inspect your credentials, give you the right ammunition, and let you know of the other passengers that will be carrying too. The pilot will also have a master list of the concealed holding passengers and any flying marshals.
Number 2. If the bad guy gets on board the flight, the government didn't do it's job of checking that individual did they? It doesn't matter, there will be plenty of good people to take control if the terrorist gets out of hand. The latest research from Boeing suggests that bullet holes will not effect the aircraft. Read It Here.
Number 3. Vote for me. I guarantee if I get into office, I will change the laws; GUARANTEED! I have worked under the Federal Transportation and the Department of Commerce rules and regulation before, and I know of the GIANT mound of bureaucracy it entails. That's why I want every Member of GUNEDTm to run for office too. WE CAN CHANGE THE LAWS.
I have received e-mail from other readers that agree with the anti-gunners, because that is what I call ANYBODY who thinks we should not be armed at any time, ANYWHERE, including aircraft.
Do you think we would have had all the tragedy we had on 9-11 if only ONE passenger would have had a firearm? If you knew you were going to die, like Susana Hupp who watched her parents get killed in front of her eyes along with 24 other un-armed citizens, with her gun in the glove box of her car, because she was not allowed to carry her gun concealed; do you think she wishes she had her gun with her now? You bet, and she has to live with that for the rest of her life, knowing she could have stopped the bad guy and saved all those lives.
She carries concealed now- ALL THE TIME. And Sometimes under the threat of arrest. I praise her actions, and only wish more people would take this example and apply it to their own lives, because one day it might be YOU on that doomed flight, or eating quietly at a restaurant when you are suddenly faced with a life and death situation. Don't be a fool. Carry at ALL times, whether it be on a plane, bus, train, in your car, at your home, on vacation, at Church, EVERYWHERE you go, because no one but yourself will be to blame if you are killed and standing before the bar of God and the questions asked will be why didn't you protect yourself or others around you.
The column to the left has the original e-mails and some GREAT support from a 30 year veteran of law enforcement. Go read it and judge for yourself. We can help each other stay out of trouble if we only do the RIGHT thing; ARM OURSELVES!
This is a formatted e-mail I have sent out to President Bush and my Senators and Representatives. You can use it if you want.
Dear---
I would like to remind you that NO GUNS were used in our Country being attacked. And to this fact, I would like to add that I know we would not be where we are at today, if only one upstanding citizen with the permission to carry a concealed firearm would have been on those planes. Not the sky marshals, or the pilots, but citizens. Look at where we are going now. No pocket knives? A pencil or pen can kill quicker than a pocket knife! I will never fly a commercial aircraft again until I will be allowed to defend myself.
Sincerely,
Mike W. Smith
If you would like to contact me, here is my e-mail:
~LockandLoad@guned.com~ http://guned.com/pages/comment.html
"If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
I have been in some pretty darn good debates lately with the subject matter directed towards firearms and flying.
Everybody that visits GUNEDTm, pretty much knows how I feel and how our Members feel when it comes to being armed at all times. If not, that's how we feel. To be armed at ALL times.
One of my latest debates has been with a current airline pilot with over 20 years flying experience. He is on our side and believes in the Second wholeheartedly, but thinks that citizens like you and me, who hold concealed firearm permits, should never be able to carry on board commercial airline flights.
These pilots are the same people we are completely backing right now, and giving our utmost support in helping them to be able to have weapons in the cockpit. Are we wasting our time like this gentleman thinks?
I for one do not ever think I am wasting my time, otherwise, I wouldn't be here with this website, with Members, and doing what I think we do best. PROTECTING THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS EVERYWHERE AND IN EVERYTHING WE DO FOR ALL AMERICANS!!!
TOO LATE TO STOP NATIONAL ID
Contact Or Find All Of The Information You Need On Your Elected Officials!
Law Enforcement Backs GUNEDTm And We Appreciate It!
Click Here For The Original E-Mails
If we don't help each other completely, and that means being armed if one chooses to be armed in any place and anywhere, then we will lose everything we have.
Read What Another Airline Pilot Has To Say!
Here's what these pilots are worried about: 1. There will be mass shoot-outs on the airplanes. 2. The bad guy will get on board with a gun too. and 3. We will never win the fight to be armed on airplanes, because the government will never allow it.
Wrong, wrong, and most definitely wrong. Lets take the first. Shoot-outs on airplanes. Time and time again we look at the latest studies of people who carry concealed firearm permits. Less than 0.001% of this population commits any crime. The only shoot-outs on aircraft will be that of the faithful drilling a hole in the head of a terrorist trying to terrorize.
Here's one instance that will work. Before your flight, you call in ahead of time to let the check-in clerk know you will be traveling armed. When you show up to check in, the clerk will inspect your credentials, give you the right ammunition, and let you know of the other passengers that will be carrying too. The pilot will also have a master list of the concealed holding passengers and any flying marshals.
Number 2. If the bad guy gets on board the flight, the government didn't do it's job of checking that individual did they? It doesn't matter, there will be plenty of good people to take control if the terrorist gets out of hand. The latest research from Boeing suggests that bullet holes will not effect the aircraft. Read It Here.
Number 3. Vote for me. I guarantee if I get into office, I will change the laws; GUARANTEED! I have worked under the Federal Transportation and the Department of Commerce rules and regulation before, and I know of the GIANT mound of bureaucracy it entails. That's why I want every Member of GUNEDTm to run for office too. WE CAN CHANGE THE LAWS.
I have received e-mail from other readers that agree with the anti-gunners, because that is what I call ANYBODY who thinks we should not be armed at any time, ANYWHERE, including aircraft.
Do you think we would have had all the tragedy we had on 9-11 if only ONE passenger would have had a firearm? If you knew you were going to die, like Susana Hupp who watched her parents get killed in front of her eyes along with 24 other un-armed citizens, with her gun in the glove box of her car, because she was not allowed to carry her gun concealed; do you think she wishes she had her gun with her now? You bet, and she has to live with that for the rest of her life, knowing she could have stopped the bad guy and saved all those lives.
She carries concealed now- ALL THE TIME. And Sometimes under the threat of arrest. I praise her actions, and only wish more people would take this example and apply it to their own lives, because one day it might be YOU on that doomed flight, or eating quietly at a restaurant when you are suddenly faced with a life and death situation. Don't be a fool. Carry at ALL times, whether it be on a plane, bus, train, in your car, at your home, on vacation, at Church, EVERYWHERE you go, because no one but yourself will be to blame if you are killed and standing before the bar of God and the questions asked will be why didn't you protect yourself or others around you.
The column to the left has the original e-mails and some GREAT support from a 30 year veteran of law enforcement. Go read it and judge for yourself. We can help each other stay out of trouble if we only do the RIGHT thing; ARM OURSELVES!
This is a formatted e-mail I have sent out to President Bush and my Senators and Representatives. You can use it if you want.
Dear---
I would like to remind you that NO GUNS were used in our Country being attacked. And to this fact, I would like to add that I know we would not be where we are at today, if only one upstanding citizen with the permission to carry a concealed firearm would have been on those planes. Not the sky marshals, or the pilots, but citizens. Look at where we are going now. No pocket knives? A pencil or pen can kill quicker than a pocket knife! I will never fly a commercial aircraft again until I will be allowed to defend myself.
Sincerely,
Mike W. Smith
If you would like to contact me, here is my e-mail:
~LockandLoad@guned.com~ http://guned.com/pages/comment.html
"If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
Comments
Dano...Is that your FINAL word or would you care to 'splain to us why?
If I'm a law abiding dude on the ground, why would I suddenly become a threat at 40,000 feet? Or are you of the opinion that only LEO's are qualified to protect us anywhere above ground level?
Mudge the curious
I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!
So Dano's partially right....en masse won't work at this time.
Let the airplane drivers carry!!!!
Mudge the thinker
I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!