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Nunn,,(or anyone else)Can you explain to me,
montanajoe
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how the 'decocker' of a SIG pistol functions. I know it safely drops the hammer. But what about the firing pin ?? Yes,your explanation of the 1911 condition 2 got me thinking. Thanks.
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how the 'decocker' of a SIG pistol functions.
Admit it, "decocker" peeked your interest. Don
quote:Originally posted by montanajoe
how the 'decocker' of a SIG pistol functions.
Admit it, "decocker" peeked your interest. Don
OMG,,,[:0][:0]
quote:Originally posted by montanajoe
how the 'decocker' of a SIG pistol functions.
Admit it, "decocker" peeked your interest. Don
[;)][:D]
The act of pulling the trigger not only releases the hammer from the SA cocked position, but it also removes a bar from the path of the hammer.
The decocking lever unlocks the hammer without removing the bar, thus allowing the hammer to fall harmlessly against the bar.
I discovered the way the mechanism works while admiring a SIG Mosquito that I had a desire to purchase while working at the gun shop. The light weight of the Mosquito's hammer makes it very obvious that the hammer uses momentum to actually carry it past the neutral out-of-battery position and into the firing pin.
The decocking lever on the SIG pistol disengages the hammer from the sear, and lowers the hammer to the resting position, where it stops short of contacting the firing pin. The hammer can only travel far enough forward to contact the firing pin if the trigger is held to the rear.
But the firing pin can't travel freely in its chanel like the 1911??
quote:Originally posted by nunn
The decocking lever on the SIG pistol disengages the hammer from the sear, and lowers the hammer to the resting position, where it stops short of contacting the firing pin. The hammer can only travel far enough forward to contact the firing pin if the trigger is held to the rear.
But the firing pin can't travel freely in its chanel like the 1911??
You can't be married and not understand a decocker! Don
Most SIG SA/DA pistols have an inertial hammer, which means that the hammer has to travel farther forward than it's neutral "rest" position when it's out of battery.
The act of pulling the trigger not only releases the hammer from the SA cocked position, but it also removes a bar from the path of the hammer.
The decocking lever unlocks the hammer without removing the bar, thus allowing the hammer to fall harmlessly against the bar.
I discovered the way the mechanism works while admiring a SIG Mosquito that I had a desire to purchase while working at the gun shop. The light weight of the Mosquito's hammer makes it very obvious that the hammer uses momentum to actually carry it past the neutral out-of-battery position and into the firing pin.
Thanks Jake.
quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
Most SIG SA/DA pistols have an inertial hammer, which means that the hammer has to travel farther forward than it's neutral "rest" position when it's out of battery.
The act of pulling the trigger not only releases the hammer from the SA cocked position, but it also removes a bar from the path of the hammer.
The decocking lever unlocks the hammer without removing the bar, thus allowing the hammer to fall harmlessly against the bar.
I discovered the way the mechanism works while admiring a SIG Mosquito that I had a desire to purchase while working at the gun shop. The light weight of the Mosquito's hammer makes it very obvious that the hammer uses momentum to actually carry it past the neutral out-of-battery position and into the firing pin.
Thanks Jake.
One think I forgot to mention about the Mosquito's hammer is that you can actually watch it bounce back to its neutral position after it hits the firing pin.
Also, a SIG's decocking lever keeps tension on the hammer so it doesn't just slam down. Pressing the lever downwards unlocks the hammer, and the hammer rides on the lever's mechanism as the lever returns to its rest position.
Having never owned a weapon with a decocker rather than a safety.
I purchased a Ruger pistol WITH a decocker...
The first time I released the hammer with it and it "fell"...
Scared the ever livin' begeebies outta me!
Stopped what I was doing and read everything I could on how it functioned...
Even then... I always hesitated dropping the hammer with the decocker again.
And still slowly lower the hammer as I do with my 1911...
Something in me says 'mechanical' things break... At the worse possible opportunity.
quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
Most SIG SA/DA pistols have an inertial hammer, which means that the hammer has to travel farther forward than it's neutral "rest" position when it's out of battery.
The act of pulling the trigger not only releases the hammer from the SA cocked position, but it also removes a bar from the path of the hammer.
The decocking lever unlocks the hammer without removing the bar, thus allowing the hammer to fall harmlessly against the bar.
I discovered the way the mechanism works while admiring a SIG Mosquito that I had a desire to purchase while working at the gun shop. The light weight of the Mosquito's hammer makes it very obvious that the hammer uses momentum to actually carry it past the neutral out-of-battery position and into the firing pin.
Thanks Jake.
See? I'm not entirely useless when it comes to firearms. Only mostly useless. [:D]
I know this... I was NOT familiar with the use of a decocker years ago.
Having never owned a weapon with a decocker rather than a safety.
I purchased a Ruger pistol WITH a decocker...
The first time I released the hammer with it and it "fell"...
Scared the ever livin' begeebies outta me!
Stopped what I was doing and read everything I could on how it functioned...
Even then... I always hesitated dropping the hammer with the decocker again.
And still slowly lower the hammer as I do with my 1911...
Something in me says 'mechanical' things break... At the worse possible opportunity.
That's the big difference between a Ruger and/or Beretta decocker and a SIG decocker. The SIG doesn't let the hammer "fall." The hammer will go down as quickly or as slowly as you release the pressure your thumb puts on the decocking lever.
But,when decocked,can the fireing pin move freely ??
I believe there is still a spring between the front of the firing pin and the back of the bolt face to keep the firing pin from unintentionally moving forward.
quote:Originally posted by retroxler58
I know this... I was NOT familiar with the use of a decocker years ago.
Having never owned a weapon with a decocker rather than a safety.
I purchased a Ruger pistol WITH a decocker...
The first time I released the hammer with it and it "fell"...
Scared the ever livin' begeebies outta me!
Stopped what I was doing and read everything I could on how it functioned...
Even then... I always hesitated dropping the hammer with the decocker again.
And still slowly lower the hammer as I do with my 1911...
Something in me says 'mechanical' things break... At the worse possible opportunity.
That's the big difference between a Ruger and/or Beretta decocker and a SIG decocker. The SIG doesn't let the hammer "fall." The hammer will go down as quickly or as slowly as you release the pressure your thumb puts on the decocking lever.
True,and I like that,,[^][^]
quote:Originally posted by montanajoe
But,when decocked,can the fireing pin move freely ??
I believe there is still a spring between the front of the firing pin and the back of the bolt face to keep the firing pin from unintentionally moving forward.
Wonderful. I was hoping/thinking so,or what would be the point of the decocker,if a sharp jar or dropping the gun could make it fire. Nunn's explanation of condition 2 carry of a 1911 made me think of this. (1911 carriers,thread)
quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
quote:Originally posted by montanajoe
But,when decocked,can the fireing pin move freely ??
I believe there is still a spring between the front of the firing pin and the back of the bolt face to keep the firing pin from unintentionally moving forward.
Wonderful. I was hoping/thinking so,or what would be the point of the decocker,if a sharp jar or dropping the gun could make it fire. Nunn's explanation of condition 2 carry of a 1911 made me think of this. (1911 carriers,thread)
One way you can check to see if there is a firing pin safety would be to take the slide off and look at the bottom of the firing pin housing/bolt. If there is a firing pin safety that is deactivated by pulling the trigger, there will be a small spring-loaded button just off-center near the area where the firing pin channel is located.
Such a safety exists on Glocks and ever Springfield XD model I've ever had hands-on time with. It is sometimes referred to as a "drop" safety, meaning that it is meant to keep the firearm from firing if it is dropped, because it is a physical block in the firing pin channel that prevents the firing pin from moving if it is not properly disengaged.
I know this... I was NOT familiar with the use of a decocker years ago.
Having never owned a weapon with a decocker rather than a safety.
I purchased a Ruger pistol WITH a decocker...
The first time I released the hammer with it and it "fell"...
Scared the ever livin' begeebies outta me!
Stopped what I was doing and read everything I could on how it functioned...
Even then... I always hesitated dropping the hammer with the decocker again.
And still slowly lower the hammer as I do with my 1911...
Something in me says 'mechanical' things break... At the worse possible opportunity.
DITTO!!!
The SIG pistols that I am familiar with have a passive firing pin safety, so no, the firing pin cannot contact the primer unless the trigger is actually pressed, disengaging the safety.
Thank you,thank you!!!![^][^][^][^]
We have an older P226,older Pro 2340,and brand new Mosquitto.
If the gun is dropped on the hammer it will likely go off. Use the decocker, this will release the hammer to the safety notch which engages the firing pin safety. One of our cops who wore a shoulder holster found this out the hard way.
Many Sigs like the P220 should not be carried with the hammer manually lowered on a loaded chamber, this practice overrides the firing pin block.
If the gun is dropped on the hammer it will likely go off. Use the decocker, this will release the hammer to the safety notch which engages the firing pin safety. One of our cops who wore a shoulder holster found this out the hard way.
Dang,,thats a hard lesson.[:0][:(][V],,Thanks,Joe.
quote:Originally posted by montanajoe
quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
quote:Originally posted by montanajoe
But,when decocked,can the fireing pin move freely ??
I believe there is still a spring between the front of the firing pin and the back of the bolt face to keep the firing pin from unintentionally moving forward.
Wonderful. I was hoping/thinking so,or what would be the point of the decocker,if a sharp jar or dropping the gun could make it fire. Nunn's explanation of condition 2 carry of a 1911 made me think of this. (1911 carriers,thread)
[One way you can check to see if there is a firing pin safety would be to take the slide off and look at the bottom of the firing pin housing/bolt. If there is a firing pin safety that is deactivated by pulling the trigger, there will be a small spring-loaded button just off-center near the area where the firing pin channel is located.
Such a safety exists on Glocks and ever Springfield XD model I've ever had hands-on time with. It is sometimes referred to as a "drop" safety, meaning that it is meant to keep the firearm from firing if it is dropped, because it is a physical block in the firing pin channel that prevents the firing pin from moving if it is not properly disengaged.
Was pretty sure,but,you made me pull the slide and look. Yes,the SIG's we have does have this 'button'. The firing pin is under reward spring tension. I can manually push in the firing pin,from the back of the bolt,but it does NOT protrude the bolt face,,unless I depress the 'button' you speak of. Thank you!![^][^][^]
quote:Originally posted by montanajoe
quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
Most SIG SA/DA pistols have an inertial hammer, which means that the hammer has to travel farther forward than it's neutral "rest" position when it's out of battery.
The act of pulling the trigger not only releases the hammer from the SA cocked position, but it also removes a bar from the path of the hammer.
The decocking lever unlocks the hammer without removing the bar, thus allowing the hammer to fall harmlessly against the bar.
I discovered the way the mechanism works while admiring a SIG Mosquito that I had a desire to purchase while working at the gun shop. The light weight of the Mosquito's hammer makes it very obvious that the hammer uses momentum to actually carry it past the neutral out-of-battery position and into the firing pin.
Thanks Jake.
See? I'm not entirely useless when it comes to firearms. Only mostly useless. [:D]
SIG Classic Series pistols have no bar that blocks the hammer.
The decocker releases the sear from the hammer's single action notch. As the hammer rotates forward the sear then catches it's 'safety intercept' notch.
In addition these pistols are equipped with a firing pin block which does not allow it to move forward unless the trigger is positioned completely to the rear.
FYI - You might've been confused by hearing of a part in these pistols called a 'hammer stop'. This is a small polymer piece which limits rearward travel of the hammer to prevent it from battering the frame. That's what that tiny pin through the rearmost portion of the frame retains.
The first few times I used my decocker on my 5906 (pointed in a safe direction, of course) I cringed a bit, but did not pee any at all.
I was proud of myself!
The first few times I used my decocker on my 5906 (pointed in a safe direction, of course) I cringed a bit, but did not pee any at all.No sweat there either.
S&W's system does use a bar which rotates up and blocks the hammer - and a firing pin block.
how the 'decocker' of a SIG pistol functions. I know it safely drops the hammer. But what about the firing pin ?? Yes,your explanation of the 1911 condition 2 got me thinking. Thanks.
Watch very closely ... I know it's in there somewhere ...
One think I forgot to mention about the Mosquito's hammer is that you can actually watch it bounce back to its neutral position after it hits the firing pin.
Everything old is new again.
This is exactly the action of an 1895 Winchester.
Brad Steele
[;)][:D]
Most SIG SA/DA pistols have an inertial hammer, which means that the hammer has to travel farther forward than it's neutral "rest" position when it's out of battery.
The act of pulling the trigger not only releases the hammer from the SA cocked position, but it also removes a bar from the path of the hammer.
The decocking lever unlocks the hammer without removing the bar, thus allowing the hammer to fall harmlessly against the bar.
I discovered the way the mechanism works while admiring a SIG Mosquito that I had a desire to purchase while working at the gun shop. The light weight of the Mosquito's hammer makes it very obvious that the hammer uses momentum to actually carry it past the neutral out-of-battery position and into the firing pin.
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Goole is your friend.
Sounds profound, but who is Goole?
quote:Originally posted by austin20
Goole is your friend.
Sounds profound, but who is Goole?
Damned sausage fingers---Google.
or female and can be a bish)[:D]
""Something in me says 'mechanical' things break... At the worse possible opportunity.""
I never trust de cockers they are mechanical(and can Break)
or female and can be a bish)[:D]
""Something in me says 'mechanical' things break... At the worse possible opportunity.""
I can't speak to others, but SIG's design is a type I'm intimately familiar with.
If you examine SIG's decocking system closely you'll see that the odds of screwing up and discharging a round while manually lowering the hammer are astronomically greater.
The pistol's frame would have to somehow break in multiple pieces before the hammer could impact the firing pin and move it forward.
In the 40 years this design has been on the market, with an untold number of them out there, there's never been an instance of one of these pistols discharging by use of the decocker. On the other hand, there have been instances of AD's - some with fatalities - when people operated the gun incorrectly and performed this manually.
quote:Originally posted by montanajoe
how the 'decocker' of a SIG pistol functions.
Admit it, "decocker" peeked your interest. Don
Might've peaked or even piqued it too.